Summer Transfer Thread - Non Spurs Transfers + Rumours

[Mullers]

Can't control when the bids come in, and everyone knows he is gone anyway. Athletico don't have the money to hold onto him. This way he can say his goodbyes by firing the club to glory.




Don't understand this mentality really. When you see the rewards on offer (look how much we made on Bale and Liverpool will make on Suarez) you have to take a punt when a truely special talent emerges.

Additional point, how much have we spent on CB's since UTD signed Rio? Or Liverpool etc. If you can find a talent who can last the course you save yourself in the long run.

Man Utd can't really lose on the Shaw deal IMO.

Bale is really a one off, I don't think he is worth 100 million but Real were stupid enough to pay it. I would have rather paid 7 million for Vidic than 30 million for Ferdiand. For 27 million I would expect the left back to be world class and Shaw at the moment is not.

 

[thinktank]

I know Costa has scored plenty of goals this year, but when I have watched him he really hasn't looked all that great...

I absolutely agree.

 

[Gbspurs]

Bale is really a one off, I don't think he is worth 100 million but Real were stupid enough to pay it. I would have rather paid 7 million for Vidic than 30 million for Ferdiand. For 27 million I would expect the left back to be world class and Shaw at the moment is not.

That's right he isn't, but it's clear he will be.

Bale himself may be a one off but signing a young lad and turning him into a world star isn't and that's what they are hoping for.

Your example of Vidic is even rarer really and if it was that easy everyone would do it! It was pretty much guaranteed that Rio would be World Class (hence the fee) whereas for every Vidic, there are 3 or 4 Skrtel's. Shaw falls into the earlier category.

People get too hung up over purchase prices. If Shaw does develop as expected and was world class for 10 years, would you pay £2.7m to have one of the worlds best left backs every season?

 

[Mullers]

That's right he isn't, but it's clear he will be.

Bale himself may be a one off but signing a young lad and turning him into a world star isn't and that's what they are hoping for.

Your example of Vidic is even rarer really and if it was that easy everyone would do it! It was pretty much guaranteed that Rio would be World Class (hence the fee) whereas for every Vidic, there are 3 or 4 Skrtel's. Shaw falls into the earlier category.

People get too hung up over purchase prices. If Shaw does develop as expected and was world class for 10 years, would you pay £2.7m to have one of the worlds best left backs every season?

Bale was 7 million not 27million and Rio for me was never world class. If Shaw develops he might double his transfer fee if there is still a large amount of money in the game. Man utd won't be paying 2.7 million over 10 years though will they? The kid is only 18 anything could happen.

 

[SpursDave88]

Bale was 7 million not 27million and Rio for me was never world class. If Shaw develops he might double his transfer fee if there is still a large amount of money in the game. Man utd won't be paying 2.7 million over 10 years though will they? The kid is only 18 anything could happen.

Rio's trophy record says different.

 

[Shadydan]

We don't act quickly because we cannot afford to, you're always gonna see a last minute bargain because that's the way w

Bale is really a one off, I don't think he is worth 100 million but Real were stupid enough to pay it. I would have rather paid 7 million for Vidic than 30 million for Ferdiand. For 27 million I would expect the left back to be world class and Shaw at the moment is not.

Luke Shaw is 18 years old and has an absolutely massive future ahead of him, he's gonna be an England regular and his mature beyond his years, his value makes sense.

 

[Mullers]

Rio's trophy record says different.

John O'shea's trophy record
Manchester United[25]

• Premier League (5): 2002–03, 2006–07, 2007–08, 2008–09, 2010–11
• FA Cup (1): 2003–04
• Football League Cup (3): 2005–06, 2008–09 2009–10
• FA Community Shield (4): 2003, 2007, 2008, 2010
• UEFA Champions League (1): 2007–08
• FIFA Club World Cup (1): 2008

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_O'Shea#Club_2

Impressive but he isn't world class, just because a player wins honours with a good team it does not mean they are world class.

 

[Mullers]

We don't act quickly because we cannot afford to, you're always gonna see a last minute bargain because that's the way w


Luke Shaw is 18 years old and has an absolutely massive future ahead of him, he's gonna be an England regular and his mature beyond his years, his value makes sense.

It makes sense in the respect that Liverpool paid 18 million for Johnson. Future England regular isn't saying much, he hasn't exactly got great competition for his position.

 

[Mattspur]

I think £27m for Shaw is ludicrous. I've only seen the guy play a few times on TV and against us and have to say that he's neither stuck out as being incredibly good or bad. When you take his age into account it's clear that there's room to progress, but there's also been lots of players who looked like they could be world beaters at a young age who go on to be nothing more than average. Big risk for United.

 

[Shadydan]

It makes sense in the respect that Liverpool paid 18 million for Johnson. Future England regular isn't saying much, he hasn't exactly got great competition for his position.

What Liverpool paid for Johnson is kind of irrelevant really, when you value players you don't compare them to other players because the market changes every minute.

My point is that his stock will rise both from a club pov and an international pov on and off the pitch thus adding to his value.

What are your thoughts on us paying £26m for Lamela btw?

 

[SteveH]

If anyone pays 27 million for Shaw they are nuts.

"If anyone pays 27 million for Shaw they are nuts rich.


Because he is english Mullers - otherwise IMHO £10m tops. Now he is good "prospect" I agree but.. £27M

 

[SteveH]

What Liverpool paid for Johnson is kind of irrelevant really, when you value players you don't compare them to other players because the market changes every minute.

My point is that his stock will rise both from a club pov and an international pov on and off the pitch thus adding to his value.

What are your thoughts on us paying £26m for Lamela btw?

Which Lamela, the youtube one or the Spurs one?

 

[Shadydan]

What everyone should remember these days is that there is a shortage of top class full backs these especially now as we're living in an era where full backs are fast becoming the most important position on the pitch because that's where the space is. Utd are also in need of a left back seeing as Evra is well l and truly past it and Buttner isn't good enough, Shaw may well go onto being a Utd mainstay for the next decade and more.

 

[Mullers]

What Liverpool paid for Johnson is kind of irrelevant really, when you value players you don't compare them to other players because the market changes every minute.

My point is that his stock will rise both from a club pov and an international pov on and off the pitch thus adding to his value.

What are your thoughts on us paying £26m for Lamela btw?

I wouldn't say it was irrelevant at all, a chairman can look at the Johnson fee and say well our player is better than Johnson and he was 18 million and tack on more millions.
I was pleased when we signed Lamela, it is a big fee but he had a lot of rave reviews. Had we paid that kind of fee for a right back who was not world class I would not be happy at all.

 

[Mullers]

"If anyone pays 27 million for Shaw they are nuts rich.


Because he is english Mullers - otherwise IMHO £10m tops. Now he is good "prospect" I agree but.. £27M

If anyone pays 27 million for Shaw they are nuts and rich. Hows that?
Agree about the premium for English players.

 

[Gbspurs]

Bale was 7 million not 27million and Rio for me was never world class. If Shaw develops he might double his transfer fee if there is still a large amount of money in the game. Man utd won't be paying 2.7 million over 10 years though will they? The kid is only 18 anything could happen.

Rio never world class? Odd comment but you're entitled to your opinion. My reference to £2.7m was per year and just an example to why they risk spending alot of money upfront as if it pays off its a bargain.

We clearly are looking at this from different angles which is fine, but I think in Man utds financial position and the need they have for a LB it's an incredibly astute purchase.

Look in the business world at the money companys like Google and Facebook invest in assets. Football's changing and I'm sure that this would end up being a bargain for UTD.

 

[SteveH]

If anyone pays 27 million for Shaw they are nuts and rich. Hows that?
Agree about the premium for English players.

Joking apart. Man U are a little trigger happy with transfers ATM. Shaw is going to improve and they will not miss the money, so it is no big deal for them. Shaw will have his pick of the top clubs in Europe, so we will see.

 

[Mattspur]

Rio never world class? Odd comment but you're entitled to your opinion. My reference to £2.7m was per year and just an example to why they risk spending alot of money upfront as if it pays off its a bargain.

We clearly are looking at this from different angles which is fine, but I think in Man utds financial position and the need they have for a LB it's an incredibly astute purchase.

Look in the business world at the money companys like Google and Facebook invest in assets. Football's changing and I'm sure that this would end up being a bargain for UTD.

Why has it come up that you quoted my post? I never wrote that. It was @Mullers

 

[Mullers]

Rio never world class? Odd comment but you're entitled to your opinion. My reference to £2.7m was per year and just an example to why they risk spending alot of money upfront as if it pays off its a bargain.

We clearly are looking at this from different angles which is fine, but I think in Man utds financial position and the need they have for a LB it's an incredibly astute purchase.

Look in the business world at the money companys like Google and Facebook invest in assets. Football's changing and I'm sure that this would end up being a bargain for UTD.

It was me that said what you quoted not Mattspur.
Rio was part of the English golden generation that promised much and delivered nothing. It remains to be seen if it is will be a bargain. I don't think 30 million for Rio is what I would have called a bargain. Shaw is only a right back and must develop into a very, very good right back to justify that fee.

 

[Mullers]

Joking apart. Man U are a little trigger happy with transfers ATM. Shaw is going to improve and they will not miss the money, so it is no big deal for them. Shaw will have his pick of the top clubs in Europe, so we will see.

They've still got a lot of debt.