Summer transfer wish list - 2018

[Zippy1980]

I'm still hoping Toby can be pursuaded to stay, bit like Ozils last min turnaround. I agree as a club we can't be held to ransom but imo we cant keep this successful curve going if we keep selling our best players and Toby IS OUR BEST CB, Walker was our best rb and Rose is our best lb.
The big clubs are not gonna put ridiculous bids in for Trippier, Sanchez or Davies. They want these guys for a reason.
We are, like it or not, slowly being picked apart by vultures.
Whether we can do much about it remains to be seen.

Jan has been our best Centre back overall for the whole time TA has been with us.

 

[bubble07]

I would rather spend £100m+ and get Sessegnon, James Maddisson and a young CB than buy any of our old stars back or sign any experienced players whatsoever. Seems that the transfer market value for players has shot up, and wages are far higher for proven, older players than youth. At least if you sign young and they at least do OK (Wimmer) or do well (Bale, Walker...) you get either a good fee or a fantastic fee.

This past year, we sold Walker. With the money spent, we bought in Aurier to replace almost like for like AND got Moura. Thats quite an upgrade.

If we get Sess & Maddison, they will want decent wages but nothing near what a Bale would want, and if they do well, we have players who would cost £100m each in 3-5 years time assuming the arse doesn't fall out of world footballs finances. If they fail, well theres always clubs like Stoke to pay for them at probably our cost price once you factor transfer fee inflation in (Wimmer!! £18m!! Winner, winner chicken dinner!).

In short, sign young, sign quality and pay reasonably. At least you have a chance to recoup some cash and we've not paid over the odds on wages for a bench warmer (Llorente!).

Fair points but it's not all about money. Hate to use the term but I will. This team is a club version of a golden generation where with just a couple of genuine ready made stars will enable us to really dominate. Signing sess, madisson etc might make more financial sense but they will not have the impact bale would have for the next 2 seasons. We need to understand that. If we were a team in transition buying youth makes sense but we have already done that to get to where we are now and I think we have now transitioned. We just need proven winners now. Ordinarily we would still have zero chance with Bale but because he was here for several years gives us a chance

 

[bubble07]

If we get Bale and it is a very slim chance to me, why do people think we would pay 80m and then give him the real madrid wages? The deal only works if the value on the fee makes sense and he would have to accept a huge paycut. There's no point in arguing players against players when you're talking about unrealistic fees. No chance we're giving Bale his Madrid wages, why even bring that up?

Agree we wont give his madrid wages. Some of us think he would take a pay cut to join us and enjoy his football again

 

[cider spurs]

I'm still hoping Toby can be pursuaded to stay, bit like Ozils last min turnaround. I agree as a club we can't be held to ransom but imo we cant keep this successful curve going if we keep selling our best players and Toby IS OUR BEST CB, Walker was our best rb and Rose is our best lb.
The big clubs are not gonna put ridiculous bids in for Trippier, Sanchez or Davies. They want these guys for a reason.
We are, like it or not, slowly being picked apart by vultures.
Whether we can do much about it remains to be seen.

So...

We shouldn't sell our best players,

The club can't be held to ransom

Interesting.

#Feckin dilemma

 

[Spurvert]

Don't think we are going to spend £50m on Sessegnon. I do think we will sign him, we're in the driving seat by all accounts. Even if Fulham get promoted, I think he will come. But for £50m? I think it will be more like £25m + incentives that will take the deal to somewhere around £40m. No chance if Fulham expect £50m and I could see him being upset if he is priced out of a move after all he has done to ensure they are compensated when the time comes.

Bale is a strange one. I would love to see him back at Spurs. Not entirely sure he is a Poch player. But if there is a deal to be made then it's a brave man that says no to him returning. United will obviously be keen to bring him back to the Prem. I wouldn't discount City making a move either. I think if United are really serious about him then City might look at it closely, especially considering they missed out on Sanchez. I think the Liverpool game might convince Pep that if they are going to win the Champions League, then they might need a signing like Bale to get them over the line (sounds ridiculous, given their talented squad, but how man Champions League winners do they have? Bale's fee/wages wouldn't be an issue for them like it might for us). If we can get the deal done without the wages having a huge impact on the club then I think we would do it, and be crazy not to. But I can't see this happening.

I actually think we might struggle to sell Rose now for the fee we might have got last summer. He hasn't looked like the same player since he has come back from injury and Davies has done very well, despite having a lower ceiling than Rose. Could a swap deal with United happen, with Shaw + ££ coming the other way? I doubt it would be much cash on top considering Rose's injuries and form of late (that might be me being harsh) but I'm not so sure we will see Rose leave this summer.

Toby will go. This looks to me like Poch taking a stand and the fact that the club has backed him speaks volumes. Ideally we would like to sell him abroad. It might be worth keeping an eye on Barca and what happens with Umtiti this summer. If he goes then I'd expect De Ligt to come. Going to be a lot of competition for him, he has the most potential of any CB I've seen in a long time, including our own Sanchez. But look at the last 2 cb's we've signed from Ajax. The boy shouldn't need much convincing.

Key to the summer is tying Poch down to a longer contract, hopefully before the season ends. I think we might see a few fringe players leave and Toby. Like I said, not sure on Rose. I think Sessegnon, De Ligt and a CM will come in, as well as hopefully an attacking option if it becomes available.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

I'm still hoping Toby can be pursuaded to stay, bit like Ozils last min turnaround. I agree as a club we can't be held to ransom but imo we cant keep this successful curve going if we keep selling our best players and Toby IS OUR BEST CB, Walker was our best rb and Rose is our best lb.
The big clubs are not gonna put ridiculous bids in for Trippier, Sanchez or Davies. They want these guys for a reason.
We are, like it or not, slowly being picked apart by vultures.
Whether we can do much about it remains to be seen.

Toby has not been better than Jan this season, and Rose has not been better than Davies this season. We could finish as high as 2nd this season with those players barely playing. We beat Real Madrid without them. If you consider this season to be part of the 'successful curve' as you put it, then surely you can see they've made little to no impact on the team this season.

You say we're being 'picked apart' but Alderweireld and Rose are pretty much squad players now.

 

[coys200]

Was thinking about a winks loan the other day. If dembele has another season in him and we buy a top draw CM it might make sense at a club like say Watford or Brighton. Get him really battle hardened for dembele departure.

 

[slartibartfast]

Toby has not been better than Jan this season, and Rose has not been better than Davies this season. We could finish as high as 2nd this season with those players barely playing. We beat Real Madrid without them. If you consider this season to be part of the 'successful curve' as you put it, then surely you can see they've made little to no impact on the team this season.

You say we're being 'picked apart' but Alderweireld and Rose are pretty much squad players now.

Oh come off it, they've both had long term injuries this season.
At their best a fully fit Rose and a fully fit Toby get in our best starting 11 everytime imo.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

Oh come off it, they've both had long term injuries this season.
At their best a fully fit Rose and a fully fit Toby get in our best starting 11 everytime imo.

Dude, Rose has been fit for ages. He's not shown he should be in the team, so he's a squad player.

Toby at his best gets into our team, but this season has proven we're not reliant on him, so selling him isn't a big deal as far as I'm concerned.

 

[belsunz]

Was thinking about a winks loan the other day. If dembele has another season in him and we buy a top draw CM it might make sense at a club like say Watford or Brighton. Get him really battle hardened for dembele departure.

Same applies to KWP. Assuming both Trippier and Serge will stay, he has to be loaned out and preferably to another PL side. In hindsight it should have happened this season already.

 

[slartibartfast]

Jan has been our best Centre back overall for the whole time TA has been with us.

Sorry mate but imo thats codswallop.
Everyone, including you probably, were praisng TA to the heavens last season and rating him as one of the best cbs in Europe. Now he wants a move away its 'we dont need him' and 'he wasnt all that anyway.'
We are not going to be stronger by losing Walker, Rose and Toby. I dont like it either but it is what it is..
Its not just down to like for like either.
You have to look at cover.
Toby and Dier, Walker and Trippier, Rose and Davies.
Compared to Sanchez and Dier, Trippier and Aurier, Davies and Verts?
Thats not getting stronger is it?
It sucks balls but disagreeing because you dont like what Im saying doesn't mean it isnt true.
Hopefully if they both go we can replace with equal top quality but thats a hard thing to do and always carries a risk.
Plus theres the problem of making rivals stronger.
The price of success I suppose.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

In Alderweireld’s first season he was magnificent, our best defender and Vertonghen improved by playing next to him. Last season and this the opposite has been true, Vertonghen has been head and shoulders above him and pretty much every other centre back in the league.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

Sorry mate but imo thats codswallop.
Everyone, including you probably, were praisng TA to the heavens last season and rating him as one of the best cbs in Europe. Now he wants a move away its 'we dont need him' and 'he wasnt all that anyway.'
We are not going to be stronger by losing Walker, Rose and Toby. I dont like it either but its a fact.
Its not just down to like for like either.
You have to look at cover.
Toby and Dier, Walker and Trippier, Rose and Davies.
Compared to Sanchez and Dier, Trippier and Aurier, Davies and Verts?
Thats not getting stronger is it?
It sucks balls but disagreeing because you dont like what Im saying doesn't mean it isnt true.
Hopefully if they both go we can replace with equal top quality but thats a hard thing to do and always carries a risk.
Plus theres the problem of making rivals stronger.
The price of success I suppose.

Last season we didn't have Sanchez. That's why it's now valid to say 'we don't need him'. You say we're not getting stronger but we've matured again this season, performing much better in the CL and showing more balls away to the big teams. We still have a good chance of replicating finishing 2nd from last season.

 

[slartibartfast]

Last season we didn't have Sanchez. That's why it's now valid to say 'we don't need him'. You say we're not getting stronger but we've matured again this season, performing much better in the CL and showing more balls away to the big teams. We still have a good chance of replicating finishing 2nd from last season.

Not sure what your first sentence has to do with it. Are you saying Sanchez is TAs replacement? If so then thats what I'm getting at, he's not as good imo. We still have Rose and Toby this season so I'm not comparing this season and the last. Theyre still here!!! Its what happens when they're gone I'm concerned about.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

Not sure what your first sentence has to do with it. Are you saying Sanchez is TAs replacement? If so then thats what I'm getting at, he's not as good imo. We still have Rose and Toby this season so I'm not comparing this season and the last. Theyre still here!!! Its what happens when they're gone I'm concerned about.

But they've made little to no contribution to our team this season. So what's the big deal if they leave? It's not like we've had a bad season, is it?

 

[diamond lights]

Sorry mate but imo thats codswallop.
Everyone, including you probably, were praisng TA to the heavens last season and rating him as one of the best cbs in Europe. Now he wants a move away its 'we dont need him' and 'he wasnt all that anyway.'
We are not going to be stronger by losing Walker, Rose and Toby. I dont like it either but it is what it is..
Its not just down to like for like either.
You have to look at cover.
Toby and Dier, Walker and Trippier, Rose and Davies.
Compared to Sanchez and Dier, Trippier and Aurier, Davies and Verts?
Thats not getting stronger is it?
It sucks balls but disagreeing because you dont like what Im saying doesn't mean it isnt true.
Hopefully if they both go we can replace with equal top quality but thats a hard thing to do and always carries a risk.
Plus theres the problem of making rivals stronger.
The price of success I suppose.

You're missing the point in a Poch team.

It's not about the individuals but the collective.

Verts (and yes I did say it last season too) is our best centre back and most importantly he is committed to the cause.

If Poch sees a fall off in commitment then you're finished.

...and a fully bought in Sanchez is preferable to a half hearted Toby all day long.

Davies is currently a better player than Rose.

If we have Aurier, Trips, Sanchez, Foyth, Verts, New CB, Davies and Shaw next year I will be very satisfied and more importantly the team will be better off than having a 'want away' Walker, a disillusioned Toby and a moaning Rose in it.

 

[Japhet]

Oh come off it, they've both had long term injuries this season.
At their best a fully fit Rose and a fully fit Toby get in our best starting 11 everytime imo.

The 'best' starting XI isn't necessarily the best 11 individuals. One thing we know about Poch is that if he doesn't like the attitude you get sidelined. It's pretty obvious that attitude is a quality he values very highly and also something Rose and Alderweireld have shown a lack of. In Toby's case, we could always cave in, give him double our wage ceiling (in spite of what's gone on behind closed doors) and take our chances on what effect that will have on other, far more important contract negotiations. It sucks because on his day he's a brilliant player, but he's not that important in the overall scheme of things. We're not MCFC and have to cut our cloth accordingly.

 

[Zippy1980]

Sorry mate but imo thats codswallop.
Everyone, including you probably, were praisng TA to the heavens last season and rating him as one of the best cbs in Europe. Now he wants a move away its 'we dont need him' and 'he wasnt all that anyway.'
We are not going to be stronger by losing Walker, Rose and Toby. I dont like it either but it is what it is..
Its not just down to like for like either.
You have to look at cover.
Toby and Dier, Walker and Trippier, Rose and Davies.
Compared to Sanchez and Dier, Trippier and Aurier, Davies and Verts?
Thats not getting stronger is it?
It sucks balls but disagreeing because you dont like what Im saying doesn't mean it isnt true.
Hopefully if they both go we can replace with equal top quality but thats a hard thing to do and always carries a risk.
Plus theres the problem of making rivals stronger.
The price of success I suppose.

Alderweireld was absolutely magnificent his first season with us but Jan was and has been better ever since. Nothing you will say will convince me of any different.

 

[RichieS]

Because I have nothing better to do during the Easter holidays, I made these 2 lists:

Spoiler: This Season's Squad

Lloris
Vorm
Gazzaniga

Trippier
Aurier
Walker-Peters (U21, b.1997)
Davies
Rose

Alderweireld
Sánchez (U21, b.1996)
Foyth (U21, b.1998)
Carter-Vickers (U21, b.1997)
Vertonghen

Dier
Wanyama
Dembélé
Winks (U21, b.1996)
Sissoko
Onomah (U21, b.1997)

Moura
Lamela
Eriksen
Alli (U21, b.1996)
Son
Nkoudou

Kane
Llorente
Janssen

21 that must be registered inc. 4 HG (bolded; italicised if also club trained).

Spoiler: Base of Next Season's imo

Lloris
Vorm
Gazzaniga

Trippier
Aurier
Walker-Peters (U21, b.1997)
Davies
Rose

Sánchez
Foyth (U21, b.1998)
Vertonghen

Dier
Wanyama
Dembélé
Winks
Onomah (U21, b.1997)

Moura
Lamela
Eriksen
Alli
Son

Kane

19 inc. 6 HG (bolded; italicised if also club trained).

It's amazing to me to think how little we need now - we've actually reached a point where superstar "icing on the cake" signings might be the way forward. I would go for:

LCB (I would personally prefer experience here - think Naybet/Gallas).
CM (Rabiot is the type of player I would like and also the type of transfer we seem to make).
Bale (We'd be stupid not to. Also has "club trained" status for us!).

These would leave us at 22 including at least 7 HG (4 of whom are also club trained).

 

[THFCSPURS19]

Could be us?

https://www.stevenagefc.com/news/20...awn-squad-stevenage-fc-transfer-negotiations/

Wilmot withdrawn from squad as club in talks over transfer

Stevenage have confirmed that teenage star Ben Wilmot has been withdrawn from the squad that travels to Newport tomorrow as negotiations over his transfer continue.

Chairman Phil Wallace said "Ben came back from International Duty with England last week and we have had developments that suggest a deal will be agreed shortly for him to move when the window opens.

"We have had interest from Premier League and Championship clubs, which is not surprising when Ben is recognised by England as being one of the top four centre halves at his age level, with the other three coming from Man City, Chelsea and Spurs.

"We have made public our valuation and the closer we are getting to that the more likely it is that Ben will move."