sunderland ditch martin o'neill...

[BringBack_leGin]

They have all done / thought shitty things. I guess those of us that have never done anything wrong can make these judgements.

Well I actively support and love all those guys (well, not Gerrard) so I'm not going to be a hypocrite and castigate a man who's done less wrong than any of them, less wrong than me I imagine, and actually always comes across as a quite intelligent and likable character.

 

[spurs4europe]

Please provide me with unequivocal evidence of Di Canio being and outspoken proponent of Fascist Agenda.

Not all spoken per se, but what other evidence do you need:

1. Self confessed fascination with Mussolini
2. Tattoo of “Dux” (the preferred cognomen of Italy’s fascist wartime leader) tattooed on his right bicep
3. Stiff-armed salute celebration.

 

[beats1]

Lol this thread keeps on going in circles, page by page

 

[ExpatFan]

Lol this thread keeps on going in circles, page by page

Haven't the time to read all of them but has anyone opined that, with Di Canio's first game being at Stamford Bridge and given the neanderthals down there, Sunderland's new manager might receive a hero's welcome from BOTH sets of supporters!

 

[nailsy]

I can't believe so many people are interested in Italian politics.

 

[Wellspurs]

It's all making sense now. His biggest ambition is to manage the east end BNP loving spammers.
There he can bring back the golden age of British fascism, a short walk to Brick Lane.

 

[BK007]

I've met many members of the NF and the BNP and they have all been somewhat racist, ranging from a mild "they took our jobs!" to the extreme "all <insert racial demographic here> are dirty ****s!" kind of attitude. I don't think you can be a part of those groups and not have opinions that are at least xenophobic. Xenophobia, a fear or dislike of the foreign, is either ignorance or racism to me. I find that those parties purely rely on sensationalism and achieve nothing but the instigation of irrational hatred. The only reason why they get away with being "political parties" is because of the right to free speech. Ironic really considering free speech and most forms of liberalism would be first things to go under a party like the NF if they were to ever come into power.

The problem is fascist ideoligies open the door to racism. Fascism believes in a totalitarian state. Control over both private and public affairs, and thus is opposed to free speech. It is also opposed to class integration and believes that the divide between rich and poor classes should exist and that those in their class structures should play their parts and know their roles. This is based in their belief in the strong having their "rightful" place over the weak, Darwinism taken to the ultimate level. As a result of this it supports xenophobic ethnocentrism and this is where racism creeps in.

You can't be fascist without believing in these principles for they are the core tenets of fascism. If Di Canio is truly a fascist then he must support totalitarianism, nationalism, ethnocentrism, imperliamism and be against any form of liberalism. These are incredibly dangerous viewpoints they lead to the the notion of "us against them", the hatred of others, discrimination and ultimately violence against what the fascist will view as the weaker species. If Di Canio supports this then he can take a long walk off a short pier for all I care. If he doesn't support this then he's basically mis-labelling himself as a fascist without really doing his homework. If the latter then he's just another idiot spouting bollocks to get attention without realising what he's talking about.

I'd wager that these fascist politicians are far from rich, making it even more ironic. Racists should GTFO and go bungee jumping with rafia string.

 

[mill]

His comments make him look like a prick but I do have some respect for him for being honest about it rather than being a fake **** that switches his religon to suit the country he's in and being basically a war criminal that should be hung for treason

 

[Danners9]

Not all spoken per se, but what other evidence do you need:

1. Self confessed fascination with Mussolini
2. Tattoo of “Dux” (the preferred cognomen of Italy’s fascist wartime leader) tattooed on his right bicep
3. Stiff-armed salute celebration.

Must be a shit load of Nazi professors then, given the popularity of studying Hitler. Maybe The History Channel is funded by Nazis too, that thing shows Hitler programmes all day. Some may call that fascination.

Perhaps some actual evidence of having done wrong would be good. Not just things that are largely irrelevant within the context of being a Lazio fan from Rome. Plenty of people hold different or wacky beliefs and having those beliefs is not a crime, especially when it isn't that obvious what the extent of his beliefs are. Maybe if he starts organising rallies and inciting violence, then it's a crime.

His political leanings didn't stop him being a professional player in the UK for 8 years and a manager for 2 already.

 

[spurs4europe]

Must be a shit load of Nazi professors then, given the popularity of studying Hitler. Maybe The History Channel is funded by Nazis too, that thing shows Hitler programmes all day. Some may call that fascination.

Perhaps some actual evidence of having done wrong would be good. Not just things that are largely irrelevant within the context of being a Lazio fan from Rome. Plenty of people hold different or wacky beliefs and having those beliefs is not a crime, especially when it isn't that obvious what the extent of his beliefs are. Maybe if he starts organising rallies and inciting violence, then it's a crime.

His political leanings didn't stop him being a professional player in the UK for 8 years and a manager for 2 already.

1. How is it irrelevant if you're a Lazio fan from Rome?
2. So if I have a tattoo of Hitler or a swastika on my arm then that's ok because I am actually a model citizen (and he is hardly a model citizen) and have done no wrong to another, including inciting violence. Fine he has neither of the above, but it is similar and surely you cannot be so blind as to ignore everything that this period stands for, especially in a position of high visibility and responsibility such as his? Children will look up to him for goodness sake!

 

[Danners9]

1. How is it irrelevant if you're a Lazio fan from Rome?
2. So if I have a tattoo of Hitler or a swastika on my arm then that's ok because I am actually a model citizen (and he is hardly a model citizen) and have done no wrong to another, including inciting violence. Fine he has neither of the above, but it is similar and surely you cannot be so blind as to ignore everything that this period stands for, especially in a position of high visibility and responsibility such as his? Children will look up to him for goodness sake!

1. it's called 'context', look it up. Two identical actions differ depending on the circumstances. If you had any understanding of this you would know what it means to Lazio, the club and the fans. Not all fans, of course, but it is a sign of identity. There are articles on the subject by people like Simon Kuper http://www.channel4.com/news/articles/sports/political+football+paolo+di+canio/1643547.html (of course it goes deeper than just football)

2. He's allowed political beliefs like you or I are. If you're going to play the role model card then it's important that the reasons for the beliefs are explored too. I am not blind to what the period stands for, however without knowing Di Canio personally it is impossible to delve into what he actually believes... there is a lot of assumption going on, on both sides, and the media campaign has been highly irresponsible and sensationalist.

Tell me, what are you actually offended by? Do you know anything about his actual beliefs? because I don't, besides a very sensible view on the integration of immigrants into Italian society that seems very out of sync with big bad nasty fascism. Or is it just the connotation to the word 'fascist' that upsets you? Because I really don't care, he's a football manager first and foremost. Employed to manage a football club. Until the point where his actions get in the way of managing the club it shouldn't be a problem, just like with anyone else.