Super sub Harry Kane reprimands Erik Lamela for card gesture

[ralvy]

Obviously works for many but I couldn't be 100% behind a bunch of whinging, play acting, tell-tale cheats. If that's the price of winning in football you can count me out. I don't blame City, Chelsea, Utd etc for getting away with it, but it's a huge part of why I hate the lot of them. I'm not enough of a hypocrite to suggest we should do the same.

you don't win shit in this life for being a nice boy. I don't want our players to start behaving like Busquets, Ramos or Suarez, but there's really nothing wrong with exerting some pressure over the referee to make the decision you think is the correct one.

 

[Gilzeanking]

I'm in the middle here . I think waving imaginary red cards is dumb .

But constant harassing of refs works . Its something we don't do . Also many Prem crowds shriek for even throw in decisions like their lives depended on it . Villa's crowd were screaming for fouls /pens/handballs etc even when they were nowhere near reality .

Sadly this pressure wears a ref down and yes big clubs mob refs as seemingly part of their gameplan .

 

[Japhet]

I'm in the middle here . I think waving imaginary red cards is dumb .

But constant harassing of refs works . Its something we don't do . Also many Prem crowds shriek for even throw in decisions like their lives depended on it . Villa's crowd were screaming for fouls /pens/handballs etc even when they were nowhere near reality .

Sadly this pressure wears a ref down and yes big clubs mob refs as seemingly part of their gameplan .

All true, but in my book, the fact that the authorities are too weak to deal with the cheats on the pitch is to blame. I'm embarrassed to see our players cheating and frustrated that it has become such an integral part of the modern game. Would love to see the introduction of retrospective punishments to clean the game up.

 

[Geyzer Soze]

I don't get it, you've got five players surrounding the ref who's got a decision to make....what do u think they're saying? Theyre trying to get the bloke sent off .....yet waving an imaginary card is seen as crime of the century??....there's no difference IMO.

I think there probably is quite a difference. The guys surrounding him & shouting are probably 'explaining' their version of what happened, as opposed to signalling 'give him a card'. Difference being the former is giving info, the latter is instructing the ref on what course of action to take.

 

[Block D Spurs]

I may be old fashioned but for me the best bit in the whole sorry game bar Kane and Mason's grit, will and determination to turn the game around, was Kane admonishing Lamela for the waving of the imaginary red card. I don't ever want to see my team lie down, get walked all over and not fight back, however I do want to see them go about it in the right way. I may be deluded but I like to think for all our faults and complications on and off the pitch, we are Tottenham Hotspur and are different to other teams.

Yes we are different to other teams.. since the Premier League...man utd. 20 league titles , and numerous cups, chelsea again titles and cups.. etc. what have we won in last 16 years??

 

[Gb160]

I think there probably is quite a difference. The guys surrounding him & shouting are probably 'explaining' their version of what happened, as opposed to signalling 'give him a card'. Difference being the former is giving info, the latter is instructing the ref on what course of action to take.

Utter bollox....they're trying to get him sent off.Theres no difference.None whatsoever.

 

[Japhet]

you don't win shit in this life for being a nice boy. I don't want our players to start behaving like Busquets, Ramos or Suarez, but there's really nothing wrong with exerting some pressure over the referee to make the decision you think is the correct one.

The old 'you don't win shit being nice' mantra. I'm no tennis fan, but one of my sporting heroes is Bjorn Borg purely for the way he calmly dismantled the whinging, ranting, manipulative John McEnroe. Also did it repeatedly.

 

[Geyzer Soze]

Utter bollox....they're trying to get him sent off.Theres no difference.None whatsoever.

Stunning powers of debate you have. I explained what was to my mind the difference. If you've got nothing better than 'utter bollox' to refute my thought then as my old teacher used to say ... "If you've nothing to say, don't say it"

 

[JonnySpurs]

Here was me thinking I'd see a whole bunch of posts praising Harry Kane for being a good pro and instead there's some weird debate going on.

For my money, gesturing to the ref with an imaginery card is something they do in Serie A and La Liga, not over here. It needs to be left to ref to decide whether it's a booking or sending off, players opinions of an incident is irrelevant in that moment.

 

[michaelden]

Here was me thinking I'd see a whole bunch of posts praising Harry Kane for being a good pro and instead there's some weird debate going on.

For my money, gesturing to the ref with an imaginery card is something they do in Serie A and La Liga, not over here. It needs to be left to ref to decide whether it's a booking or sending off, players opinions of an incident is irrelevant in that moment.

What bullshit! It happens here. It's not a Johnny Foreigner thing, don't be so Britain First, trying to rewrite the truth. English players do it all the time, just watch more games. My point is, if its going to happen then we need to get in on it as it applies pressure on the refs, something we are bad at.

 

[Main Man]

Is waving the imaginary card still a cautionable offence?

I can't remember the last time I saw it punished. Luis Suarez used to do it constantly, but I don't recall him ever getting booked for it.

Players shouldn't do it, and personally it's something I hate to see.

Looking at Sunday, and pretty much all instances, if an incident warrants a yellow/red then that's what will be branded - irrespective of imaginary cards.

Surrounding the referee is something I hate to see also, but there is clear evidence to suggest that can be 'beneficial'.

The Aston Villa players trying to get Verts sent off was disgraceful.

Weimann acted like a right prat for ten minutes after that.

 

[Sandwich Technician]

Yes we are different to other teams.. since the Premier League...man utd. 20 league titles , and numerous cups, chelsea again titles and cups.. etc. what have we won in last 16 years??

Oh dear, someone's got out from under their Spurs duvet on the wrong side!

 

[Gb160]

Stunning powers of debate you have. I explained what was to my mind the difference. If you've got nothing better than 'utter bollox' to refute my thought then as my old teacher used to say ... "If you've nothing to say, don't say it"

There is no debate....the players surrounding the ref are trying to get him sent off. Stop being so naive.

 

[midspur]

Is it a red card offence to brandish an imaginary red card?

Only an imaginary sending off

 

[HotspurFC1950]

Mason was lucky he didn't go too for putting his head in Benteke's face which looked worse IMO. Personally I think it was a very soft red card but then I come from an era when players didn't wear gloves and tights when the temperature went below 65F. Don't like it when players brandish imaginary cards and have no time for the 'everybody else does it' argument. Never want to see Spurs players cheat.

Hear hear and soft red card with three games suspension too.

 

[Spurs 1961]

Saw Kane at the time and thought now there is a player. Kane continues to rise in my estimation.

I also thought Kaboul showed some leadership in trying to cool things down during that explosive spell in the game

 

[shelfmonkey]

Mason was lucky he didn't go too for putting his head in Benteke's face which looked worse IMO. Personally I think it was a very soft red card but then I come from an era when players didn't wear gloves and tights when the temperature went below 65F. Don't like it when players brandish imaginary cards and have no time for the 'everybody else does it' argument. Never want to see Spurs players cheat.

You say it was a soft red, but you're forgetting that Benteke kicked out at Lamela which, imo, kicked off the fracas in the first place, so Benteke had in fact committed 2 red card offences!!

 

[JonnySpurs]

What bullshit! It happens here. It's not a Johnny Foreigner thing, don't be so Britain First, trying to rewrite the truth. English players do it all the time, just watch more games. My point is, if its going to happen then we need to get in on it as it applies pressure on the refs, something we are bad at.

Wind your neck in pal, seems to me that you're the one making up stuff to fit your point. I'm sure some english players have done it but on the whole it's not something that we ever do and it's the foreign players playing in this league that I see doing it. Nothing to do with "britain first", whatever that means, it's just a cultural thing. It's discouraged by coaches here, in the same way that diving is. Naturally you get the odd few which take their lead from foreign football but for me it's not something that english players do and you're not gonna convince me otherwise.

For the record, I watch plenty of games. Thanks.

 

[michaelden]

Wind your neck in pal, seems to me that you're the one making up stuff to fit your point. I'm sure some english players have done it but on the whole it's not something that we ever do and it's the foreign players playing in this league that I see doing it. Nothing to do with "britain first", whatever that means, it's just a cultural thing. It's discouraged by coaches here, in the same way that diving is. Naturally you get the odd few which take their lead from foreign football but for me it's not something that english players do and you're not gonna convince me otherwise.

For the record, I watch plenty of games. Thanks.

And then this: -

Pressuring the ref in its many forms. Spurs just don't do enough of it. Be it yelling, "Send him Off" or waving the invisible card. Oh and note who's doing it here

 

[slartibartfast]

And then this: -

Pressuring the ref in its many forms. Spurs just don't do enough of it. Be it yelling, "Send him Off" or waving the invisible card. Oh and note who's doing it here

You missed Lampard. He's card waved before.