Takehiro Tomiyasu

[wiggo24]

Italy literally just won the Euros with lopsided fullbacks

But they only needed it to work for like 6 games. Jose's lopsided thing worked for us for a while but as soon as teams figured out we had no width or threat from the right and doubled up on Reggy and Son it became basically worthless.

I just don't understand why you would consciously limit the threat from one side of the pitch unless you have a really wide RW who plays as a de facto RWB and in possession it becomes a back three. The only player who would be capable of that in our squad would be Bergwijn and playing him in that position would massively constrain him and negate his best attributes.

 

[punkisback]

No he's definitely a RB, he's just naturally quite a defensive one, although he is adept pushing forward.

To compare with other Spurs players, think, Paul Stalteri.

More Corluka with his skill on the ball.

 

[arunspurs]

But they only needed it to work for like 6 games. Jose's lopsided thing worked for us for a while but as soon as teams figured out we had no width or threat from the right and doubled up on Reggy and Son it became basically worthless.

I just don't understand why you would consciously limit the threat from one side of the pitch unless you have a really wide RW who plays as a de facto RWB and in possession it becomes a back three. The only player who would be capable of that in our squad would be Bergwijn and playing him in that position would massively constrain him and negate his best attributes.

It was a system done by Mourinho to mask a defensive problem that is Aurier. Davies got injured in Jose's first season with us and that was the end of it.

The lopsided fullbacks is a very good system, if it is seen and played to the strength of the players at hand. It works certainly well, if its used with team playing mid-block - which Nuno teams usually does. Jose couldnt make it work as we were going low block which almost certainly neutralises the effect

 

[wiggo24]

It was a system done by Mourinho to mask a defensive problem that is Aurier. Davies got injured in Jose's first season with us and that was the end of it.

The lopsided fullbacks is a very good system, if it is seen and played to the strength of the players at hand. It works certainly well, if its used with team playing mid-block - which Nuno teams usually does. Jose couldnt make it work as we were going low block which almost certainly neutralises the effect

I don't disagree that it can be a smart solution to having an inbalance at FB. If you are forced mid season to play with a full back who's weak defensively then giving him freedom to join the attack and keeping the other FB deeper can be a solution.

My issue is that I'm not sure why we would actively pursue it as a long term strategy. If tomiyasu is being brought in as a RB then surely it'd be better to get a complete RB who can work in a number of systems - a player we've been lacking for several years now, especially if we're going to be buying two pure CBs in addition to Tomiyasu/a RB anyway.

 

[kd2000]

Well, as per Transfermarkt...

Tomiyasu as CB :

2020/21 - 18 starts in Serie A
2019/20 - 3 starts in Serie A
2018/19 - 26 starts in Belgian league
2017/18 - 31 starts in Japanese league
2018-21 - 10 starts in Internationals

Tomiyasu as RB :

2020/21 - 14 starts in Serie A
2019/20 - 26 starts in Serie A
2018/19 - 1 starts in Belgian league
2018-21 - 0 starts in Internationals

So, basically, he is a CB for Japan. In serie-A he is primarily more of a RB than CB

For the sake of avoiding an argument I won't point out that last season he played 4 more games CB than RB.
Or that only in season 19/20 did he play more at RB

 

[tony0379]

 

[chrissivad]

 

[arunspurs]

I don't disagree that it can be a smart solution to having an inbalance at FB. If you are forced mid season to play with a full back who's weak defensively then giving him freedom to join the attack and keeping the other FB deeper can be a solution.

My issue is that I'm not sure why we would actively pursue it as a long term strategy. If tomiyasu is being brought in as a RB then surely it'd be better to get a complete RB who can work in a number of systems - a player we've been lacking for several years now, especially if we're going to be buying two pure CBs in addition to Tomiyasu/a RB anyway.

I dont agree with the notion that lopsided FB is only because there is a weak fullback and it can only be for short term usage

A effectively used lopsided FB is, if your FB can also act as the 3rd CB and if the other FB can be used offensively, then this mimicks a back 3 defense and at same time uses other FB attacking capability.

City at times use this with Walker playing deep even though he is a RB with Cancelo attacking near the box. Italy use this with Spinazzola almost as a Left wing with Di Lorrenzo staying back.

IMO, this is certainly a long term strategy. I am almost certain, had Davies not been injured, Jose would have used a lot more.

 

[jpascavitz]

You can still have width on the right with Bergwijn or even Sonny playing off of the right side. Reg/Sess will stretch up and wide and a CM can cover the right channel

In possession it'll look more like a 3-4-3:
Ings (wishful) Kane Son/Bergwijn
Reguilon/Sess Ndombele/Dele Hojberg Skipp/Lo Celso
CB Signing/Davies Rodon Tomiyasu
Lloris

Flip flop it if you want with Doherty on the right and Davies on the left hand side

 

[gnuelwerdna]

For a modern possession team, mostly they are playing like a 3-2-5 or 2-3-5 in attack. Whether to play a lopsided FB, it is just a matter of who to stretch the width of the pitch and who to occupy the half-space. For example, if your base formation is 4-3-3 and attacking as 3-2-5, you can have a lot of variations such as:

CB DM CB
CM CM
RB RW CF LW LB
(traditional)

RB CB CB
DM CM
RW CM CF LW LB
(lopsided FB)

CB DM CB
RB LB
RW CM CF CM LW
(Guardiola's revolution of playing FB as DM)​

Both the base formation and attacking formation don't need to change match by match. But you can easily choose to play a different variation every match according to the line-up and the player characteristics.

 

[glacierSpurs]

I like such response from clubs. Is a face-saving move which means the deal has already been struck.

 

[Gassin's finest]

More Corluka with his skill on the ball.

I loved Charlie.

 

[cjsimba]

I like such response from clubs. Is a face-saving move which means the deal has already been struck.

Yep we always get exactly the same statements just before the deal is agreed. I always take it as a positive sign.

 

[ParkySpur]

I loved Charlie.

how long have you been clean?

 

[cooperman]

I like such response from clubs. Is a face-saving move which means the deal has already been struck.

Yep we always get exactly the same statements just before the deal is agreed. I always take it as a positive sign.

It’s what Spurs are currently saying about Harry Kane. ?

 

[mil1lion]

It’s what Spurs are currently saying about Harry Kane. ?

We haven't made any statement on Kane

 

[SecretLemonadeDrinker]

We haven't made any statement on Kane

And even off the record, the message is simply that Kane "isn't for sale". That's a very different message to "we will only sell for our valuation".

 

[Gassin's finest]

how long have you been clean?

 

[synththfc]

 

[GMI]

I love Charlie (Eccleshare).