Team v QPR (H)

[DJS]

Parker isn't a defensive midfielder by trade though, he just does it when asked cos he's good at it / there isn't anyone else as good as him to cover the role.

He has excellent offensive ability also.

 

[Yid-ol]

Against Wigan with 2 DM (in a game you say we were in less control of than the Blackburn game) – 66% possession , 7 shots on target, 7 off, and 9 corners
Against Blackburn with 1 DM - 33% possession , 7 shots on target, 2 off and 7 corners
Just the possession alone shows that a there was a big difference in the games…..
And as for the “'entertaining' the winners of the Championship.” I already have said, it doesn’t matter if you have just come up, or been in the league for 5,8, 10 years, the team coming up may be harder to beat that ones you play most seasons in the league

 

[Spurs_Bear]

Against Wigan with 2 DM (in a game you say we were in less control of than the Blackburn game) – 66% possession , 7 shots on target, 7 off, and 9 corners
Against Blackburn with 1 DM - 33% possession , 7 shots on target, 2 off and 7 corners
Just the possession alone shows that a there was a big difference in the games…..
And as for the “'entertaining' the winners of the Championship.” I already have said, it doesn’t matter if you have just come up, or been in the league for 5,8, 10 years, the team coming up may be harder to beat that ones you play most seasons in the league

What happened to your font?

 

[Yid-ol]

What happened to your font?

what happend to your reply to what i put up? :duh:

 

[Yid-ol]

Parker isn't a defensive midfielder by trade though, he just does it when asked cos he's good at it / there isn't anyone else as good as him to cover the role.

He has excellent offensive ability also.

i would go with that, he isnt a DM but a player who can put his foot in

 

[Spurs_Bear]

what happend to your reply to what i put up? :duh:

Why are you so aggressive?

Have you had a Stella at lunch?

Were your parents angry?

Did you see the Wigan game? Second half we were Bruce Dyer, with 2 DMs.

Newcastle away we weren't that great, although we were ok, with 2 DMs.

My original argument was that we don't need 2 players in the holding/breaking up play role AT HOME to QPR. Which we don't. :insertgenericroundyheadsmiley:

 

[GoldstarYid]

Walker needs rested at some point. This is his first full big time season and hes playing Europa/League week in week out, he will tail off at the end of the season and people will start slating him if he isn't given a break.

Not saying rest him now, but as soon as we have some defenders back we need to give him a break.

 

[Yid-ol]

Why are you so aggressive?

Have you had a Stella at lunch?

Were your parents angry?

Did you see the Wigan game? Second half we were Bruce Dyer, with 2 DMs.

Newcastle away we weren't that great, although we were ok, with 2 DMs.

My original argument was that we don't need 2 players in the holding/breaking up play role AT HOME to QPR. Which we don't. :insertgenericroundyheadsmiley:

why do you talk about everything but what is being talked about?

People said we dont need 2 DM agaisnt blackburn and we struggled, and we were worse agaisnt them than wigan.

the DM agaisnt newcastle was Parker and Livermore, now as good as livermore has been, he is still just breaking into the team, and no where near as good as sandro.

and as DJS Parker isnt really a DM type player, which is why IMO we need sandro on there.

 

[Yid-ol]

Walker needs rested at some point. This is his first full big time season and hes playing Europa/League week in week out, he will tail off at the end of the season and people will start slating him if he isn't given a break.

Not saying rest him now, but as soon as we have some defenders back we need to give him a break.

anyone have an idea when Corluka will be back? as he is our only other RB, unless Kaboul covers a game or two there if needed, but we need Gallas and King 100% fit or Dawson back before then.

I do agree walker will need a rest at some time soon though

 

[DiamondLites]

Soon I hope, still Charlie >> Walker for me. Kyle is catching the eye going forward, but is still so raw defensively

 

[Yid-ol]

the strange thing is he isnt even listed on physioroom

 

[kishman]

Another reason for Charlie's inclusion is that he brings out the best in Lennon IMO.

 

[Legacy]

Against Wigan with 2 DM (in a game you say we were in less control of than the Blackburn game) – 66% possession , 7 shots on target, 7 off, and 9 corners
Against Blackburn with 1 DM - 33% possession , 7 shots on target, 2 off and 7 corners
Just the possession alone shows that a there was a big difference in the games…..
And as for the “'entertaining' the winners of the Championship.” I already have said, it doesn’t matter if you have just come up, or been in the league for 5,8, 10 years, the team coming up may be harder to beat that ones you play most seasons in the league

No way in hell did we only have 33% possession against Blackburn.

 

[hughy]

So happy with the team news, but I seriously hope we wouldn't need Ledley and Gallas for Sunday. Give them another week, maybe give Gallas 60 against Rubin, and then see what they're like for Fulham.


Hoping Sandro comes straight in to the team on Sunday.

 

[Yid-ol]

No way in hell did we only have 33% possession against Blackburn.

i just took it from BBC website

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_prem/15325543.stm

i didnt think it would be as low as that but i went what what they said :shrug:

 

[DJS]

i would go with that, he isnt a DM but a player who can put his foot in

Yep, one of my favourite kinda central midfield players - someone who can do both the offensive and defensive side of the game equally and not to the detriment of their game.

Nice and flexible.

If Sandro partners him I would hope Parker is encourage to get forward when he can and assist Sandro when we're not in possession / under the cosh.

 

[SpurSince57]

i just took it from BBC website

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_prem/15325543.stm

i didnt think it would be as low as that but i went what what they said :shrug:

BBC stats are notoriously inaccurate. Torygraph says 56% to us.

 

[GoldstarYid]

The 33% may be manipulated by the amount of time those lot spend on their free kicks. I assume the time they spend getting everyone up the pitch counts towards them having possesion?

 

[sloth]

Serious question sloth, do you honestly think that our biggest focus should be breaking up play' when playing against a team like QPR?

I cant see how when we dealt with Liverpool (with 11 men) so well and played them off the park, we should be contemplating having two holders against a team like QPR?

You are right in your assessment that the 4231 is not necessarily a less attacking formation than the original 442. But against a side that don't even really look at the ball, let alone dominate it like QPR, I don't see the issue at all with starting this one 442.

I agree that at home against weaker teams the argument is less strong for one over the other, but it's still strong imo.

First of all, the weaker the team potentially the more you dominate them with 4-2-3-1, you can simply overwhelm them and restrict their ability to counter-punch. If anything 4-4-2 can give the other team breathing space, as whenever they have the ball they have more chance of keeping it and also keeping it in the middle third of the pitch.

But if it doesn't work and the centre of the park gets constipated - as can happen - you have a greater chance of effecting a positive change when you start with 4-2-3-1, as Harry did successfully against Newcastle.

If you start 4-4-2 you may simply overwhelm them, if we can dominate possession and the centre of the park with only two CMs then so much the better, but this seems like a long-shot, you may achieve it once every four or five games, but most of the time, no matter who you are playing the opposition will pack the midfield and defence and look to hold back the attacks and take a breather when they have the ball as our midfield concedes them their half of the pitch and seeks to contain just in front of our defensive third.

This happened countless times last season against weaker opposition and we simply couldn't find the key to unlock them. When this happens we invariably relied on a bit of magic from one of our game-changer type players, a triumph of the individual where you have a number of exceptional individuals, rather than a triumph of a superior collective of players playing as a team. It should be noted that this kind of individual game-changing brilliance is as likely in any formation you play as long as you have them on the pitch.

What you can't do, when you start 4-4-2 and find yourself stifled and contained, is do anything game-changing from the bench. Perhaps you can bring Lennon on for VdV, but that's not going to massively increase your chances of scoring or put the other team out of its stride. In fact what happens is we tend to run out of ideas a bit, players strain for a moment of brilliance and every so often we get caught on the break and conspire to lose the game.

Start 4-2-3-1 and if it doesn't work out you can switch formation, bring on an extra attacker, come at them from different angles and positions and pose the defenders a whole new set of problems. This is what Harry did so successfully against Newcastle and in fact we nearly won a game that the performance would have suggested deserved to be a loss or draw.

Against Wigan with 2 DM (in a game you say we were in less control of than the Blackburn game) – 66% possession , 7 shots on target, 7 off, and 9 corners
Against Blackburn with 1 DM - 33% possession , 7 shots on target, 2 off and 7 corners
Just the possession alone shows that a there was a big difference in the games…..
And as for the “'entertaining' the winners of the Championship.” I already have said, it doesn’t matter if you have just come up, or been in the league for 5,8, 10 years, the team coming up may be harder to beat that ones you play most seasons in the league

What should also be noted was that 4-2-3-1 requires an aggressive, quick, big, goal-scoring striker. Without that it's a totally different kettle of fish. In the first half against Wigan we had that. In the second we didn't.

Which is reflected in the fact that 57% of our total passes came in the first half at a 87% success rate, whereas only 43% of the total passes we made in that game came in the second half with a 79% success rate.

 

[Yid-ol]

BBC stats are notoriously inaccurate. Torygraph says 56% to us.

i just looked at other places also, it ranges from 33% to 59% :shrug: how can it be such a big jump between them