The All New Spurs U21, U18 & Other Youth News Thread

[IGSpur]

Tottenham Academy ‏@THFCacademy 25s25 seconds ago
New video up: Marcus Edwards vs Australia U17s. #THFC #Spurs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpuD_LIgIkg&feature=gp-n-y&google_comment_id=z13sehqxzpiggj3qc04cclp4dtjvtttzlmo0k…

For those that care though you won't need to now the full match of that game is posted in this thread. Also the game against Brazil, I think it was in that game he did a very Messi ish dribble, was the best player on the park again. For me his vision and passing is 2nd to none at his age.

But my god, he's sooo one-footed!

I think it is just a preference thing. He is very capable with his right food. I've seen him make just as incisive through balls with it and use it to control the ball, plus hit a screamer.

EDIT - found the Brazil match. For those who care I actually think he played better in this match compared to Australia and it's against better oppostion. He also stayed on longer. He does many good things in iti but at 1:44:30 his movement and ball control reminded me of Messi

stream right here mate.

 

[IGSpur]

This is changing from the comments I have read. The more they finish in the top 8, the harder they want to push on and bring in players rather than give youth a chance. I have seen people criticise Reed for only being good off the ball but not good enough on it, they say Targett had 1 good game and was poor the rest of the time and I have also seen them (and this includes the posters wanting more academy players in the team) criticise JWP for being a MOTD player who has a few good minutes here and there, can occasionally whip a good cross in, but ultimately no where near the standard they need. I found the part about JWP interesting, as I think half of our fan base would love to have him, but we don't see him week in week out.

Thanks for that info and it is interesting to hear. It seems as though Soton fans aren't the saints they make out when it comes to trusting the youth. Seems that as they get a taste for European football they are forgetting what got them there in the first place, and falling into the same trap the top clubs have fallen into and are trading what they're known for, for an outside shot of success. Sadly though their academy is arguably their best way to compete and by supplementing it with top players. At the end of the day though the only people that will lose out is them and England.

I like the idea that we are gradually taking over and setting the example on developing and integrating academy players, though I think we could do a smidgen better

I agree about JWP and it is constantly what I and many others have bleated on about. The classic the grass is always greener. I don't think JWP is any better than Carroll, but because he has firstly been given a chance with the club he knows in the PL and isn't being over analysed by us, unlike with his own fans people, seem to rate him higher than our own players. Hence why I saw some wanting to buy him in the transfer thread.

I think Mason has suffered something similar. It is why I don't believe McCarthy is worth 20m or an upgrade on Mason. Apparently McCarthy is better defensively but I believe it is only because Mason is scrutinised excessively and it was exacerbated when his form dipped after he was knackered. He is not worse than McCarthy. I think people will watch the 10 games Everton get on Sky and decide he is better than Mason. While I don't see if myself, even when I compared them on Squawka Mason averaged more interceptions in an open team, despite apparently being weaker positionally than McCarthy. I would not be surprised if we bought McCarthy and he couldn't displace Mason and so we would be spending 20m and 40k wages on an EL player with no resale value, when we could use Veljkovic on 6k wages no fee who I'd bet would perform as well as him and have massive sell on value.

Also regarding players getting their chance, in the excellent article written by @KingSRV he acknowledges that we are one of the few clubs in the country with a World Class academy (top 3) but also give our players a chance. He mentions 38 players and goes onto mention very talented players at Championship clubs who due to being at a lower level could get their chance but I'd wager are not better than our top players. I could imagine that one of those players will get a chance in the Championship this year and have a good season, while one of our top talents, due to being at a better club will struggle for game time,and there will be people in this forum calling for us to sign them. It is pretty much a guarantee and it has happened with Teddy Bishop and a few others. Alli is another but obviously had an outstanding season so fair dos to buying him, but really we need to understand just how good our players are and think that if those Champ players are good just imagine how good ours could be given a chance.

In the Winks thread @EnfieldYiddo mentioned how he has probably seen Winks more times than most people claimed to have seen most in the transfer thread, and that his judgement on watching him play is therefore as valid as any, which I agree . I reckon I have seen our u18s play more times this season than most PL clubs who will maybe appear 10 times over the course TV over the season. There aren't many players in the transfer thread that I'd be confident of having a better or more immediate impact especially in their first season, over man of our top young players. I generally go on the trust of a lot of the posters and assess the success rate of past signings for a comparison. Obviously, adapting to adult football is different, but ability is ability and will be transferred as they step up. Outside of the top top players I haven't seen anything to suggest that buying a decent player from Ligue 1 is any more guarantee for success than giving someone from our development a chance for example.

 

[IGSpur]

Also a lot do not like Sherwood but he is currently one of the best things to happen to English football at the moment, pity a lot more don't have his mentality

 

[Spursidol]

Also a lot do not like Sherwood but he is currently one of the best things to happen to English football at the moment, pity a lot more don't have his mentality

Think he's one of the few managers 'lucky enough' to come from a youth coaching/management background and has seen first hand the quality of some youngsters on a day to day basis - which means he knows he can trust them more than other managers.

Rogers has done a lot of youth coaching (Watford I think), but hasn't got enough youngsters coming through the Liverpool academy yet to be judged on whether he will play a lot of youth - although he clearly has played a few

 

[BC11]

Yeah, just like Messi.

Seems like he had a better 1st half LOL!

Is he still a Spur then, I heard he may go to Barca.

He was subbed early in the second half. I should've explained in the description.

For now he's staying with Spurs but Barca are still sniffing around.

 

[IGSpur]

He was subbed early in the second half. I should've explained in the description.

For now he's staying with Spurs but Barca are still sniffing around.

Can't imagine they're ever going to go away either. unless he massively regresses.

Good vid of Edwards btw

 

[spurs9]

Thanks for that info and it is interesting to hear. It seems as though Soton fans aren't the saints they make out when it comes to trusting the youth. Seems that as they get a taste for European football they are forgetting what got them there in the first place, and falling into the same trap the top clubs have fallen into and are trading what they're known for, for an outside shot of success. Sadly though their academy is arguably their best way to compete and by supplementing it with top players. At the end of the day though the only people that will lose out is them and England.

I like the idea that we are gradually taking over and setting the example on developing and integrating academy players, though I think we could do a smidgen better

I agree about JWP and it is constantly what I and many others have bleated on about. The classic the grass is always greener. I don't think JWP is any better than Carroll, but because he has firstly been given a chance with he club he knows in the PL and isn't being over analysed unlike with his own fans people seem to rate him higher than our own players.

I think Mason has suffered something similar. It is why I don't believe McCarthy is worth 20m or an upgrade on Mason. Apparently McCarthy is better defensively it is only because Mason is scrutinised excessively and is form dipped when he was knackered. He is not much worse than McCarthy and I think people will watch the 10 games Everton get on Sky and decide he is better than Mason. While I don't see if myself even when I compared them on Squawka Mason averaged more interceptions in an open team despite apparently being weaker positionally than McCarthy. I would not be surprised if we bought McCarthy and he couldn't displace Mason and so we would be spending 20m and 40k wages on an EL player with no resale value, when we could use Veljkovic on 6k wags no fee who I'd bet would perform as well as him and have massive sell on value.

Also regarding players getting their chance, in the excellent article written by @KingSRV he acknowledges that we are one of the few clubs in the country with a World Class academy (top 3) but also give our players a chance. He mentions 38 players and goes onto mention very talented players at Championship clubs who could get their chance but I'd wager are not better than our top players. I could imagine that one of those players will get a chance in the Championship this year and have a good season, while one of our top talents, due to being at a better club will struggle for game time,and there will be people in this forum calling for us to sign them. It is pretty much a guarantee and it has happened with Teddy Bishop and a few others. Alli is another but obviously had an outstanding season so fair dos to buying him, but really we need to understand just how good our players are and think that if those Champ players are good just imagine how good ours could be given a chance.

In the Winks thread @EnfieldYiddo mentioned how he has probably seen Winks more times than most people claimed to have seen most in the transfer thread, and that his judgement on watching him play is therefore as valid as any, which I agree . I reckon I have seen our u18s play more times this season than most PL clubs who will maybe appear 10 times over the course TV over the season. There aren't many players in the transfer thread that I'd be confident of having a better or more immediate impact especially in their first season, over man of our top young players. I generally go on the trust of a lot of the posters and assess the success rate of past signings for a comparison. Obviously, adapting to adult football is different, but ability is ability and will be transferred as they step up. Outside of the top top players I haven't seen anything to suggest that buying a decent player from Ligue 1 is any more guarantee for success than giving someone from our development a chance for example.

Top post IG, I can't argue with any of that. I completely agree with you on McCarthy, he would be 3rd choice here very quickly imo and If we can't get Schneiderlin, there are not many others I would be happy to bring in and would rather see what Veljkovic & Winks can do. Also, last season was about seeing what the senior players could do and who fit, well I think this season should be about seeing what the loan players and older youth players can do (Carroll, Pritchard, Fredericks, Veljkovic, Shaq, Oduwa and Winks). I would be happy if we only made 1 more signing, as long as it was a pacey, direct striker that can also play out wide. Give Shaq a chance as 3rd choice striker, coming off the bench in the EL, let's see what Oduwa can do in the EL group games.

 

[Blake Griffin]

#6 yedlin
http://cartilagefreecaptain.sbnatio...nham-hotspur-prospect-rankings-deandre-yedlin

decent write-up in fairness, hopefully gets a prem loan sorted soon.

 

[gilzeantheking]

Tottenham Academy ‏@THFCacademy 3m3 minutes ago
Tomislav Gomelt, who was released yesterday, has reportedly signed for Bari on a 3 year deal. #THFC

 

[thinktank]

Tottenham Academy ‏@THFCacademy 25s25 seconds ago
New video up: Marcus Edwards vs Australia U17s. #THFC #Spurs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpuD_LIgIkg&feature=gp-n-y&google_comment_id=z13sehqxzpiggj3qc04cclp4dtjvtttzlmo0k…

Wearing 10...just like maradonna.

 

[Blake Griffin]

EDIT - found the Brazil match. For those who care I actually think he played better in this match compared to Australia and it's against better oppostion. He also stayed on longer. He does many good things in iti but at 1:44:30 his movement and ball control reminded me of Messi

i've only watched the first half so far and oxford has made half a dozen boo-boos in dangerous areas of the field. it's amazing what a little bit of 1st team exposure can do for a player's reputation, i'm not intending to put him down but some of the praise i've seen him get(probably from people who haven't even watched him) is so ott. he's a decent talent but not quite bobby moore just yet.

 

[IGSpur]

i've only watched the first half so far and oxford has made half a dozen boo-boos in dangerous areas of the field. it's amazing what a little bit of 1st team exposure can do for a player's reputation, i'm not intending to put him down but some of the praise i've seen him get(probably from people who haven't even watched him) is so ott. he's a decent talent but not quite bobby moore just yet.

I remember from watching those, that the u17s were really poor in general, it's why they surprised a few people at the Euros the team never really seemed to click for me and only had a few real top players. To be fair to him Oxford for me was still a standout along with Dasilva and Edwards. I can't remember if Willock featured in those mathes. But it goes with what I was saying, while Oxford is one of Englands best up and coming defenders and is a talent, he looked one of their best u21 players earlier in the year against us, I still don't think he is as good as CCV. So ye it does show what exposure can do for his rep, if he was still with us, granted we never utilised him at CB but would his reputation be as big as it is now, when we also have Maghoma and Tanganga also in the ranks. We would be bloody good but he would be nowhere near where is is currently at us.

 

[spurs9]

i've only watched the first half so far and oxford has made half a dozen boo-boos in dangerous areas of the field. it's amazing what a little bit of 1st team exposure can do for a player's reputation, i'm not intending to put him down but some of the praise i've seen him get(probably from people who haven't even watched him) is so ott. he's a decent talent but not quite bobby moore just yet.

It's a valid point and I think an important note is, the difference between coming into a stable defence Vs coming into the defence we had last season could be huge for a youngster. If Alderweireld & Trippier can help stabilise the back 4 (I'm not confident they can) and we can fix the defensive issues in front of them, then these signings could actually benefit players like Veljkovic, CCV & KWP rather than hinder them.

 

[Spursidol]

http://therangersreport.com/2015/07/09/talking-rangers-and-spurs-with-chris-miller/

Q & A between a Rangers fanzine and Windy re the Winks loan and other related things

 

[spurs9]

Top post IG, I can't argue with any of that. I completely agree with you on McCarthy, he would be 3rd choice here very quickly imo and If we can't get Schneiderlin, there are not many others I would be happy to bring in and would rather see what Veljkovic & Winks can do. Also, last season was about seeing what the senior players could do and who fit, well I think this season should be about seeing what the loan players and older youth players can do (Carroll, Pritchard, Fredericks, Veljkovic, Shaq, Oduwa and Winks). I would be happy if we only made 1 more signing, as long as it was a pacey, direct striker that can also play out wide. Give Shaq a chance as 3rd choice striker, coming off the bench in the EL, let's see what Oduwa can do in the EL group games.

Just seen that we are linked with Werner, who IMO, would be perfect for the player I described in bold. Massive potential too.

 

[Romulus]

i really don't wont winks to play for Rangers. i understand he will play in front of big home crowds and in an environment where he has to win but goodness me the competition will be shocking. equivalent of l2? Winks is one of our best youngsters and i want him challenged, not to coast through the season.

Rangers would be a perfect loan for someone like Miller, Sonupe, Mcgee or Lesniak

 

[mpickard2087]

Wasn't Fredericks rumoured to be off to Rangers as well? That would arguably be even more barmy a decision.

 

[Shea]

Wasn't Fredericks rumoured to be off to Rangers as well? That would arguably be even more barmy a decision.

Yes would seem like a backwards step having played in the Championship last season

He should be given an EPL loan now

 

[ButchCassidy]

Yes would seem like a backwards step having played in the Championship last season

He should be given an EPL loan now

I think he has one year on his contract so a loan is probably unlikely.

 

[Shea]

I think he has one year on his contract so a loan is probably unlikely.

Fair enough

I suppose with Trippier, Walker, Yedlin and KWP as options for the right back position his time has come to be sold and get on with his career