The Case For Frank de Boer...continued

[Real_madyidd]

Not incorrect though is it, he took a team that finished 4th the previous season to 5th, and was looking like getting 6th/7th when he got sacked.

Comparing where he finished to a bit of a season? Seems fair.

 

[Real_madyidd]

Comparing this year's Liverpool side to AVB's Tottenham? They are one of the best attacking forces I've seen in the Premier League. Under AVB this season we could barely muster a shot on goal.

Erm, you do realise that you just compared them?

 

[Rout-Ledge]

Erm, you do realise that you just compared them?

Eh?

You brought them into the analysis of our time under AVB as an example of why our posession play was A Good Thing. Our possession play under AVB was all well and good, as a base. But we didn't know where to go with it.

 

[Real_madyidd]

Eh?

You brought them into the analysis of our time under AVB as an example of why our posession play was A Good Thing. Our possession play under AVB was all well and good, as a base. But we didn't know where to go with it.

In the summer we brought what, 1 defender? It's called building from the back. we all laughed at rogers when he said that the only stat he was interested in was posession, who is laughing now?

 

[guiltyparty]

Comparing where he finished to a bit of a season? Seems fair.

Ha. "Looking like getting us 6th or 7th" is a rather classic line of pointless damnation. I'm sure at the same time Arsenal were "looking like" Champions elect.

You can spin that another way which is we were still in contention and still in all cups, too. I'd say we were "looking like" 6th and a cup. Better than 7th and no cup isn't it, in the make believe stakes?

 

[Real_madyidd]

Ha. "Looking like getting us 6th or 7th" is a rather classic line of pointless damnation. I'm sure at the same time Arsenal were "looking like" Champions elect.

You can spin that another way which is we were still in contention and still in all cups, too. I'd say we were "looking like" 6th and a cup. Better than 7th and no cup isn't it, in the make believe stakes?

I like to think we were looking like 2nd. But then again I know I am making that up.

 

[Hoddle&Waddle]

Comparing where he finished to a bit of a season? Seems fair.

Fairer than assuming AVB was about to turn things around and get us in the top 4, that's just pure optimism.

 

[Hoddle&Waddle]

Ha. "Looking like getting us 6th or 7th" is a rather classic line of pointless damnation. I'm sure at the same time Arsenal were "looking like" Champions elect.

You can spin that another way which is we were still in contention and still in all cups, too. I'd say we were "looking like" 6th and a cup. Better than 7th and no cup isn't it, in the make believe stakes?

Not really, it is a realistic review of where we were under AVB at the time. Which was in the context of someone saying "AVB wasn't taking us backwards", when he clearly was.

 

[Real_madyidd]

Not really, it is a realistic review of where we were under AVB at the time. Which was in the context of someone saying "AVB wasn't taking us backwards", when he clearly was.

No, he clearly wasn't. We just sold Gareth Bale FFS. We signed what? 7 players? I have no doubt that as the team gelled and were actually being trained by a proper coach things would have got better.

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

He was still only 8 points off top, 5 points off 4th, and in all of the cups. How's that compare to now? If people want to talk about who has taken us backwards, look closer to home.

Before anyone assumes I'm defending the last manager, I'm not.

 

[guiltyparty]

Not really, it is a realistic review of where we were under AVB at the time. Which was in the context of someone saying "AVB wasn't taking us backwards", when he clearly was.

No, he "clearly" wasn't. By that definition, Tim "clearly" took us backwards by getting us knocked out of every single cup competition at the first attempt. And then, with three less cup competitions to balance, took us down the table, too, whilst trying to claim that so many games had cost us compared to Liverpool - when he'd hardly had any cup games.

Many sides

 

[Hoddle&Waddle]

No, he clearly wasn't. We just sold Gareth Bale FFS. We signed what? 7 players? I have no doubt that as the team gelled and were actually being trained by a proper coach things would have got better.

A proper coach that dropped Lamela after his best game? Not what I would call the best way to gel a team.

 

[Hoddle&Waddle]

No, he "clearly" wasn't. By that definition, Tim "clearly" took us backwards by getting us knocked out of every single cup competition at the first attempt. And then, with three less cup competitions to balance, took us down the table, too, whilst trying to claim that so many games had cost us compared to Liverpool - when he'd hardly had any cup games.

Many sides

I didn't say Sherwood took us forward. Typical AVB fanboy turning it into an AVB vs Sherwood debate.

 

[guiltyparty]

I didn't say Sherwood took us forward. Typical AVB fanboy turning it into an AVB vs Sherwood debate.

Erm, OK. So your take is that AVB took us backwards and Sherwood has taken us even further backwards? Right?

You're the one who has frequently compared AVB and Sherwood in your previous posts, attempting to make Sherwood sound better at every turn, I was just riffing on your theme. For you to throw around 'fanboy' is laughable

Oh and I don't believe AVB was sacked, I think he walked out under pressure, so if I was an AVB fanboy, I'd be happy for him. And I'm not, I'm looking at an unsatisfactory season for us and picking over the bones

 

[Hoddle&Waddle]

Erm, OK. So your take is that AVB took us backwards and Sherwood has taken us even further backwards? Right?

You're the one who has frequently compared AVB and Sherwood in your previous posts, attempting to make Sherwood sound better at every turn, I was just riffing on your theme. For you to throw around 'fanboy' is laughable

Think you've mixed me up with someone else, I haven't commented on Sherwood or AVB for months. If you actually asked me the question (instead of making shit up) I would tell you my take on Sherwood. My take is, Sherwood is and always has been a caretaker Manager, installed so we could have a better choice of Managers in the Summer, so before we all start waxing lyrical about how good AVB was or how he would have turned things around, lets see how the new guy does. Then we can judge if sacking AVB was a mistake.

 

[mattyspurs]

He was still only 8 points off top, 5 points off 4th, and in all of the cups. How's that compare to now? If people want to talk about who has taken us backwards, look closer to home.

Before anyone assumes I'm defending the last manager, I'm not.

...and I wasn't defending the current manager either. I was just making a point in regards to the comment about 'fans not giving another young foreign coach a chance'

They will as long as it's working

 

[18Klinsmann]

Why would he not be a worth taking a chance on?

Big name who would demand respect?...yes

Managed a big club with success? ..yes

Plays a system that would suit our squad?..yes

Speaks fluent english?..yes

What the fuck do we want?

Nothing is 100%...but i would not be against him, infact he is someone i would welcome for sure.

- Knows two of our star players very well?...Yes
- Is used to selling his top players and replacing them with young talent (and get away with it)? ...Yes
- Is young enough to potentially be on board for the long run?...Yes

I totally agree. He should be the first man on the list.

 

[ItsBoris]

In the summer we brought what, 1 defender? It's called building from the back. we all laughed at rogers when he said that the only stat he was interested in was posession, who is laughing now?

Rodgers changed his mind, evidently. Liverpool don't play for possession anymore.

Maybe if AVB hadn't been so stubborn we would have reaped the same sort of success.

 

[ItsBoris]

He was still only 8 points off top, 5 points off 4th, and in all of the cups. How's that compare to now? If people want to talk about who has taken us backwards, look closer to home.

Before anyone assumes I'm defending the last manager, I'm not.

But 8 points off the top after 17 games I think it was? That translates to 16 points off after 34 games, which is about exactly where we are now (17 points off).

5 points off 4th after 17 games means 10 points off after 34 games if that trend continues, and we're currently 7 points off 4th.

But of course after fewer games played we were closer to 1st and 4th, that's how it would work in every season.

 

[ItsBoris]

FDB would be just like AVB. The fans would get too impatient with the slow tempo and it'll all end in disaster if the results started to go. He's a decent manager but I really don't think this possession style is suited to the league. It has to be quicker tempo, sharp movement, pressing and counter attack to suit us. The Premier League is a completely different proposition to Holland and I just think he'd get found out here. That being said we could do worse.

In my opinion Pochettino ticks these sorts of boxes and that's why I'd prefer him to FDB.

Pochetinno seems pretty similar to FDB to me, I think either could be successful or unsuccessful.

I agree that our team should be a counterattacking one. I'd say Benitez is probably best for that.