The Cricket Thread

[Gb160]

England showing as much backbone as a worm. I know India are very good but losing the last six wickets for 15 is pathetic.

Thoroughly humiliating.
U think this could be the end for Cook as captain?

 

[Nav420]

Wow what a way to end!
I think Cook will resign now, he looked shell shocked after that game in the interviews he gave.
If this series was played on rank turners and England lost 4-0 you can accept that, but the pitches haven't been rank sub continent turners, they've been really good pitches, and flat tracks in the first innings. England won the toss 4 out of 5 times and everyone was using the line "win toss win match" well that quote has well and truly been put to bed.

 

[Teemu]

Poor mo hits 146 and scores 1000+ run in the year and he still gets stick and all the experts saying he should be batting down the order

That was a fucking ridiculous shot given the circumstances though!

This is going to sound a bit silly given that we've just got hammered 4-0, but I don't think we were THAT bad across the series as a whole. All of the batsmen (apart from Duckett) contributed at various points, and it looks like we've found 2 good options at the top of the order in Jennings and Hameed. Unfortunately after the first test we weren't really able to post a massive score that would put India under real pressure, and quite simply their bowling attack is far superior to ours in Indian conditions, just like our bowling would be better than theirs in England.

Obviously it's disappointing, but India are a really good side, especially at home. And it's nowhere near as bad as those Ashes whitewashes down under where at the end everything was just completely and utterly fucked...

 

[dagraham]

What worries me is Joe Root becoming captain and his batting suffering as a result. We have problems in the top order as it is without our best players form taking a hit as well.

I agree with some of the comments above. We have underperformed and collapsed pathetically at times, but at the same time I think we'd beat India in England. Maybe not 4-0 mind.

The biggest problem is we still haven't replaced Strauss or Swan.

 

[dondo]

That was a fucking ridiculous shot given the circumstances though!

This is going to sound a bit silly given that we've just got hammered 4-0, but I don't think we were THAT bad across the series as a whole. All of the batsmen (apart from Duckett) contributed at various points, and it looks like we've found 2 good options at the top of the order in Jennings and Hameed. Unfortunately after the first test we weren't really able to post a massive score that would put India under real pressure, and quite simply their bowling attack is far superior to ours in Indian conditions, just like our bowling would be better than theirs in England.

Obviously it's disappointing, but India are a really good side, especially at home. And it's nowhere near as bad as those Ashes whitewashes down under where at the end everything was just completely and utterly fucked...

We were always going to struggle getting 20 wickets with no express pace and not good enough spinners

 

[dickieven]

I think we have to accept that this is a very very good India team. They would beat most trams (and have) comfortably at home.

I still think we try to cram too many allrounders in ourvteam rather than playing specialists in their right place. Ali is not a number 4. Buttler, Bairstow, Stokes all batting one or two places too high. Root should drop down to 4 in my view, particularly when we struggle to post a decent opening stand.

A long time now until the summer tests next year. Hopefully a top 4 of Cook, Jennings, Hameed and Root. We need a proper batsman at 5 then we can have the wickie and Stokes, Ali and other bowlers.

Hats of to India again. And to the kid who smashes 303 in his 3rd or 4th match what ever it was.

 

[Teemu]

I think we have to accept that this is a very very good India team. They would beat most trams (and have) comfortably at home.

Trams could have been effective back in the 80s but not athletic or mobile enough for the modern game imo.

 

[Mustard]

Trams could have been effective back in the 80s but not athletic or mobile enough for the modern game imo.

Parking the trans would nullify most defences in this era.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

Plusses were Jennings and Hameed. After that it goes downhill. The recurring theme was the failure to post a score. Being 250-4 and ending up 350 to 400 all out just isn't good enough. It was blatantly obvious, even when we were 100-0 yesterday, that we'd collapse. Hands up anyone who was actually surprised by it? Its not technique, its application. Its having the mentailty to stay in above all else.

Bayliss says there's no misunderstanding with regard the playing positive ethos but I think there is. They all look to 'get on with it' or play positively, that's fine, but get in and stay in first..........Why else would Ali waft at shot after shot, especially anything short of a length until eventually holing out? Yet on the occasions he did cut that out, he scored runs. Overall though, he's not good enough and he sent a letter to the Aussie bowlers this series saying bounce me out and showed absolutely no sign that he's learning from that. If he goes on the Ashes tour and carries on playing like that then it might be his last few games for England.

The batsmen have got to stop giving their wickets away. The bowlers? Meh. They complain about needing to 'rest' Anderson and Broad, then why take them in the first place only to flog them on pitches like that? They knew what it'd be like.......Pitches which the Indian fast bowlers seemed to get more out of too. Its an obvious thing to say, but Anderson is gone by the end of the Ashes tour and Broad won't be far behind him.

There seems to be confusion regarding the selection policy too. Why take Finn and not play him at all? Why take batsmen, drop them and then have to call in from the Lions? Why take Batty, as nice as it was to see his delight at playing for England, play him and he bowls what? A handful of overs? Why pick three seamers in the 4th test? It all seems to lack direction.....

Half of me thinks its time for the doe eyed twat to quit but I think i'd prefer it if he waited until after the Ashes...... I've never been a fan of his captaincy, world class batsman that he is and i'm not entirely sure Root is the man so early in his career when several former captains suggest 4-5 years is the maximum they were in the job before suffering burnout. Having said that, who else is there? Buttler (IMO) becomes next man in line when Root eventually takes the gig.

 

[theShiznit]

Plusses were Jennings and Hameed. After that it goes downhill. The recurring theme was the failure to post a score. Being 250-4 and ending up 350 to 400 all out just isn't good enough. It was blatantly obvious, even when we were 100-0 yesterday, that we'd collapse. Hands up anyone who was actually surprised by it? Its not technique, its application. Its having the mentailty to stay in above all else.

Bayliss says there's no misunderstanding with regard the playing positive ethos but I think there is. They all look to 'get on with it' or play positively, that's fine, but get in and stay in first..........Why else would Ali waft at shot after shot, especially anything short of a length until eventually holing out? Yet on the occasions he did cut that out, he scored runs. Overall though, he's not good enough and he sent a letter to the Aussie bowlers this series saying bounce me out and showed absolutely no sign that he's learning from that. If he goes on the Ashes tour and carries on playing like that then it might be his last few games for England.

The batsmen have got to stop giving their wickets away. The bowlers? Meh. They complain about needing to 'rest' Anderson and Broad, then why take them in the first place only to flog them on pitches like that? They knew what it'd be like.......Pitches which the Indian fast bowlers seemed to get more out of too. Its an obvious thing to say, but Anderson is gone by the end of the Ashes tour and Broad won't be far behind him.

There seems to be confusion regarding the selection policy too. Why take Finn and not play him at all? Why take batsmen, drop them and then have to call in from the Lions? Why take Batty, as nice as it was to see his delight at playing for England, play him and he bowls what? A handful of overs? Why pick three seamers in the 4th test? It all seems to lack direction.....

Half of me thinks its time for the doe eyed twat to quit but I think i'd prefer it if he waited until after the Ashes...... I've never been a fan of his captaincy, world class batsman that he is and i'm not entirely sure Root is the man so early in his career when several former captains suggest 4-5 years is the maximum they were in the job before suffering burnout. Having said that, who else is there? Buttler (IMO) becomes next man in line when Root eventually takes the gig.

Wonder if someone like Stokes would benefit from having the captaincy, could really be the making of him, focusing his batting and bowling, because as talented as he is with both, he can suffer from Alli-itus, and gift his wicket being over attacking or bowl loose spells (see final over of world cup )And whilst you wouldn't want players like Stokes and/or Alli to change the attacking nature of their game there has to be an awareness of the ever changing situation in the middle. Although great all-rounders aren't traditional captains, but I don't see why I can't work.

We developed such a good mentality over the last 10-15 years after years of real nothing cricket, so it would be a shame for us to just drop back into mediocrity. Especially as the nucleus of a very good side is still there.

 

[Rocksuperstar]

Yeah, no worries, mate, i got this

 

[alfie103]

Plusses were Jennings and Hameed. After that it goes downhill. The recurring theme was the failure to post a score. Being 250-4 and ending up 350 to 400 all out just isn't good enough. It was blatantly obvious, even when we were 100-0 yesterday, that we'd collapse. Hands up anyone who was actually surprised by it? Its not technique, its application. Its having the mentailty to stay in above all else.

Bayliss says there's no misunderstanding with regard the playing positive ethos but I think there is. They all look to 'get on with it' or play positively, that's fine, but get in and stay in first..........Why else would Ali waft at shot after shot, especially anything short of a length until eventually holing out? Yet on the occasions he did cut that out, he scored runs. Overall though, he's not good enough and he sent a letter to the Aussie bowlers this series saying bounce me out and showed absolutely no sign that he's learning from that. If he goes on the Ashes tour and carries on playing like that then it might be his last few games for England.

The batsmen have got to stop giving their wickets away. The bowlers? Meh. They complain about needing to 'rest' Anderson and Broad, then why take them in the first place only to flog them on pitches like that? They knew what it'd be like.......Pitches which the Indian fast bowlers seemed to get more out of too. Its an obvious thing to say, but Anderson is gone by the end of the Ashes tour and Broad won't be far behind him.

There seems to be confusion regarding the selection policy too. Why take Finn and not play him at all? Why take batsmen, drop them and then have to call in from the Lions? Why take Batty, as nice as it was to see his delight at playing for England, play him and he bowls what? A handful of overs? Why pick three seamers in the 4th test? It all seems to lack direction.....

Half of me thinks its time for the doe eyed twat to quit but I think i'd prefer it if he waited until after the Ashes...... I've never been a fan of his captaincy, world class batsman that he is and i'm not entirely sure Root is the man so early in his career when several former captains suggest 4-5 years is the maximum they were in the job before suffering burnout. Having said that, who else is there? Buttler (IMO) becomes next man in line when Root eventually takes the gig.

I think this is a bit harsh considering he has been the only captain to win in India for over 25 years and also won the ashes despite Australia being heavy favourites and also won in South Africa. The bloke is also the highest run scorer for England and has the most hundreds.

I think the lack of spinners is really to blame as well. Cook can only do so much, he can set the best fields in the world but if the bowlers aren't putting it into the right areas, there isn't much he can do. We won in India previously because we had Swann and Panesar. Rashid and Ali are nowhere near them in class and it showed. I think Broad and Anderson are class as shown by how many test wickets they have and the introduction of Hameed and Jennings have shown to be very good moves.

We were well beaten in this series but I think England are moving in the right direction and this series won't stop that.

 

[alfie103]

Wonder if someone like Stokes would benefit from having the captaincy, could really be the making of him, focusing his batting and bowling, because as talented as he is with both, he can suffer from Alli-itus, and gift his wicket being over attacking or bowl loose spells (see final over of world cup )And whilst you wouldn't want players like Stokes and/or Alli to change the attacking nature of their game there has to be an awareness of the ever changing situation in the middle. Although great all-rounders aren't traditional captains, but I don't see why I can't work.

We developed such a good mentality over the last 10-15 years after years of real nothing cricket, so it would be a shame for us to just drop back into mediocrity. Especially as the nucleus of a very good side is still there.

Ben Stokes should be nowhere near the captaincy. There is a reason, as you say, all rounders don't make great captains, It would be too much plus Ben Stokes doesn't strike me as the most intelligent bloke.

 

[theShiznit]

Ben Stokes should be nowhere near the captaincy. There is a reason, as you say, all rounders don't make great captains, It would be too much plus Ben Stokes doesn't strike me as the most intelligent bloke.

He doesn't strike me as a loveable fool like previous England all rounders Botham and Flintoff. And as he matures as a cricketer and a man he could become an option maybe a bit early though...

There are some exceptions to the all rounder captaincy though. Notably Imran Khan and to a lesser extent Wasim.

 

[Danners9]

Anyone following the Aussie BBL? I live in Brisbane and everyone is thrilled with Chris Lynn. He hit one onto the roof of the Gabba the other day and yesterday he hit 11 sixes as part of his 98 not out.

 

[thefierycamel]

Anyone following the Aussie BBL? I live in Brisbane and everyone is thrilled with Chris Lynn. He hit one onto the roof of the Gabba the other day and yesterday he hit 11 sixes as part of his 98 not out.

As a fellow aussie, yes. I go for the stars though as I'm a melbourne lad. Absolutely twatted that ball.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

I've only caught glimpses of the BT Sport cricket coverage, what's it like? It sort of half turned me off when I saw Swann as a pundit in the studio and it occurs to me they have a few of the BBC TMS team on there.........I might have to take a closer look but the signs ain't promising, especially when you consider we'll be watching the Ashes on there in a years time. Who commentates on the actual cricket or do they just take the Australian feed and run with that?

 

[Danners9]

I've got Brisbane vs Perth on right now. Brisbane won the toss but chose to field. It's been pretty hot here today, and still quite early in the evening, so by the time they come round to bat it will be cooler and have a bit more atmosphere.

The big KFC signs everywhere make me want to order some hot wings..

 

[dondo]

Hard job defending 350 now days.
1 day cricket is insane

 

[Danners9]

Perth Scorchers just beat KP's Melbourne Stars in the semi final. Brisbane vs Sydney tomorrow.