The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - 11 August 2011

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

That has been said over and over again, that's a poor excuse for not strengthening the squad.

Sure why let him sign any players if he's not going to be here? Stupid.

Edit: Yeah Justin, THAT'S why Pompey and Saints went down the pan, just HR. Nothing to do with anything else. Fuck me.

We see constantly how much Redknapp pressures the board to show ambition. He says we need to pay big money to get top players etc..

As Ryan says Redknapp doesn't care about the money which is understandable, it's not his!! If Levy wasn't so strong we would be stuck with more older players on big wages with no sell on value. Levy is gonna be here well after Redknapp fucks off so I back the chairman 100% on this one.

There never seems to be any affinity with the club coming from Redknapp he constantly talks about the us in the third person. Says we can't compete etc.. etc.. How about he backs the club and chairman for once rather than just moan about how it is so hard! He should keep his mouth shut and just coach the team. We will never hear Levy's point of view but I can imagine he wishes the manager would work with him sometimes rather than against.

 

[minimike]

I want to believe there are quiet negotiations going on behind the scenes but with our 1st game in two days I am not that optimistic. Diarra and a striker (or 2) would be fine.

 

[m*****73]

Anti-HR specualtion ignoring respected ITK that said DL fucked it by coming back to Villareal with a lower offer.

That's what I had understood too... that it was DL, not HR, that made a mess of the January window. But then again, I'm only going on what I read in this forum...:shrug:

 

[RichSpur58]

Harry ain't happy people. Just had my gaffer ranting. I seems that he is being ignored. Is this te same old same old? Harry names targets and the board say cheers Harry, then shop elsewhere. Something is a miss here. We've still got a great squad of players but Harry is making it clear to some that they are welcome to stay when it seems the board want shot. Is this the hold up that the journo was alluding to?

I'd expect another "it's gonna be tough to finish 6th" speech anytime soon

He can always leave?

Ancelotti anyone?

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

Didn't Harry also want Fabiano?

...and where is he now?

 

[jedimonkey]

Harry ain't happy people. Just had my gaffer ranting. I seems that he is being ignored. Is this te same old same old? Harry names targets and the board say cheers Harry, then shop elsewhere. Something is a miss here. We've still got a great squad of players but Harry is making it clear to some that they are welcome to stay when it seems the board want shot. Is this the hold up that the journo was alluding to?

I'd expect another "it's gonna be tough to finish 6th" speech anytime soon

Has your gaffer mentioned any of the targets that the board are after instead of Harry's recommendations, Ryan?

Does this mean that even though you keep hearing Rossi mentioned that DL is not actually going to try to get him?

 

[Roberts84]

We see constantly how much Redknapp pressures the board to show ambition. He says we need to pay big money to get top players etc..

As Ryan says Redknapp doesn't care about the money which is understandable, it's not his!! If Levy wasn't so strong we would be stuck with more older players on big wages with no sell on value. Levy is gonna be here well after Redknapp fucks off so I back the chairman 100% on this one.

There never seems to be any affinity with the club coming from Redknapp he constantly talks about the us in the third person. Says we can't compete etc.. etc.. How about he backs the club and chairman for once rather than just moan about how it is so hard! He should keep his mouth shut and just coach the team. We will never hear Levy's point of view but I can imagine he wishes the manager would work with him sometimes rather than against.

Totally agree

 

[DazeUk]

Very gloomy and not much looking likely. We have to sell to buy and maybe if we shift some players then we can spend. The problem at the moment is the way we do our accounts. Levy isn't being greedy demanding fees but players are club assetrs with an value on our books. If we sell a player who we value as £10m for £6m we effectively take a loss on that player. It may put cash in our bank account but our year end accounts will show a £4m loss... Multiply that by a few and we could sell all the players surplas to requirements and actually make a £20m loss.
However, doing this means that we can afford to pay very high transfer fees as effectively if we spend £30m on a youngish player, he is worth £30m to the club and we make no loss (however, we do need the £30m cash to do this or negotiate a long term payment structure). An old player will decrease every year so although there would not be an immediate loss, there would be a steep decline in asset value. This is why our board is not keen on some of the managers plans.
The wages however are what need to be taken into account and do count towards our balances. We can't afford big wages and if we shift 4 players on wages totalling £150k a week and replace them with one player (as has been suggested) you have the £20m loss I referred to earlier. Madness and our board will not let it happen.
How do we buy / sell players? Well unles our value is met we can't. This is the reason this and previous windows have been so complicated.

 

[pablo73]

We see constantly how much Redknapp pressures the board to show ambition. He says we need to pay big money to get top players etc..

As Ryan says Redknapp doesn't care about the money which is understandable, it's not his!! If Levy wasn't so strong we would be stuck with more older players on big wages with no sell on value. Levy is gonna be here well after Redknapp fucks off so I back the chairman 100% on this one.

There never seems to be any affinity with the club coming from Redknapp he constantly talks about the us in the third person. Says we can't compete etc.. etc.. How about he backs the club and chairman for once rather than just moan about how it is so hard! He should keep his mouth shut and just coach the team. We will never hear Levy's point of view but I can imagine he wishes the manager would work with him sometimes rather than against.

his rent a quotes have been notably absent for the last couple of weeks. Coincidence or has someone had a word?

 

[ohwhenthespurs]

Harry ain't happy people. Just had my gaffer ranting. I seems that he is being ignored. Is this te same old same old? Harry names targets and the board say cheers Harry, then shop elsewhere. Something is a miss here. We've still got a great squad of players but Harry is making it clear to some that they are welcome to stay when it seems the board want shot. Is this the hold up that the journo was alluding to?

I'd expect another "it's gonna be tough to finish 6th" speech anytime soon

This comes as absolutely no surprise to me.
Levy and particularly Harry have been publically posturing and manoeuvring for some time now, to establish it's the other's fault if it all goes wrong.
Redknapp saying "We haven't got the wages to compete with the top four"
and "Modric would get in any of the top four sides"
He's seeking to steer clear of the blame when he gets the sack in October because we're not in the top four.
Redknapp regularly uses language in his interviews to make clear that he doesn't make the big decisions and often referes to Spurs in the third person, rather than "we".

I firmly believe Levy is no major fan of Harry's and won't trust him with big money, even if it is available. If he hasn't held at least preliminary conversations with the representatives of other managers, such as Ancelotti, I'd be stunned.

 

[StartingPrice]

:grin: Proudly so.

:roll:
Not wanting him to appointed manager in the first place is one thing.
But carrying that agenda on, from the minute he was appointed, is another. Carrying it on when we climbed well away from the bottom of the league, carrying it on when we finished in the top 4 that is, frankly, pathetic. Seeming delighted that we (just) missed out on top 4 last season, out of a desperate need to feel vindicated in carrying this agenda on, rather than being disappointed for the club - I cringe at that type of attitude, personally.

I hated the idea of George Graham being appointed manager, but from the second he was appointed I desperately (DESPERATELY) wanted him to succeed, for the abundantly obvious reason that he is the manager of the club I support and I want the club to succeed.
/ of reasoning lesson for day:roll:

 

[JD82]

Ryan's ITK regarding Levy not going after the players Harry wants worries me. If Levy isn't going to back his manager, why is he still employing him?

I personally think Redknapp's results since he arrived, warrant him being backed. He's the manager and if he wants player X and it is within our means then Levy should do his best to get the deal done. If player X is not financially viable then Levy can tell Harry this and we move on to Harry's next target. At no point should Levy start buying who 'he' thinks we should. He isn't a manager, he is a businessman and needs to stick to what he knows.

As for the the people calling for Harry to go and getting all excited about the prospect of Ancelotti, you seem to have short memories. The grass isn't always greener...

 

[m*****73]

Criminal trial/England job/6th place finish. If he gets thru the trial, he'll be going all out for England. We'll finish 6th and Harry will need to make it clear that that was the club's doing, not his. Relationship soured, even if he doesn't get it. He's in his mid sixties.

You should read Broken Dreams by the way. Harry, who I like and wish could stay around longer, cannot be trusted by any club that wishes to stay solvent.

I've read it - and that's why I'm saying that he should be supported in a controlled manner (i.e. it's made very clear to him exactly how much money the club has to spend on new signings). Nobody is saying that Harry should have complete control of the place!! But he should be supported by Levy.

Harry has earned it through his performance as manager of this club.

A lot of people on this site seem to think that Levy is the better judge of talent. How?!?! He's a deal-maker/deal-breaker, not a manager, coach, scout or talent evaluator. As much as I don't want Harry having control of the purse strings, I don't want Levy having control of what players we are targeting....

And don't forget, while ENIC have been very good owners of the club, Levy has overseen quite a few f#ck-ups during his time here too!! Jol's sacking, Santini's hiring, losing Arnesen, losing Berbatov.... no one here is without blame or without credit.

 

[Robbiepope]

...and where is he now?

Sevilla, where he scored 14 goals in 32 appearences last season. Wish a couple of our strikers had similar stats.

 

[Spurs_Bear]

:roll:
Not wanting him to appointed manager in the first place is one thing.
But carrying that agenda on, from the minute he was appointed, is another. Carrying it on when we climbed well away from the bottom of the league, carrying it on when we finished in the top 4 that is, frankly, pathetic. Seeming dlighted that we (just) missed out on top 4 last season, out of a desperate need to feel vindicated in carrying this agenda on, rather than being disappointed for the club - I cringe at that type of attitude, personally.

I hated the idea of George Graham being appointed manager, but from the second he was appointed I desperately (DESPERATELY) wanted him to succeed, for the abundantly obvious reason that he is the manager of the club I suport and I want the club to succeed.
/ of reasoning lesson for day:roll:

This.

And people wonder why others are anti-Dan Ashcroft. And proudly so.

 

[m*****73]

We see constantly how much Redknapp pressures the board to show ambition. He says we need to pay big money to get top players etc..

As Ryan says Redknapp doesn't care about the money which is understandable, it's not his!! If Levy wasn't so strong we would be stuck with more older players on big wages with no sell on value. Levy is gonna be here well after Redknapp fucks off so I back the chairman 100% on this one.

There never seems to be any affinity with the club coming from Redknapp he constantly talks about the us in the third person. Says we can't compete etc.. etc.. How about he backs the club and chairman for once rather than just moan about how it is so hard! He should keep his mouth shut and just coach the team. We will never hear Levy's point of view but I can imagine he wishes the manager would work with him sometimes rather than against.

:duh: What the f#ck?!?!

It's the other way around!! How about Levy supporting Harry?

 

[nailsy]

Ryan, you said a while back that we were going to make an official bid for Rossi. Are you saying that the bid didn't go in? If it did go in do you know how much we offered?

 

[Dan Ashcroft]

Sevilla, where he scored 14 goals in 32 appearences last season. Wish a couple of our strikers had similar stats.

Nope. He was released back to Sao Paulo during the winter for £6m -about 1/3 of what we were apparently offering for him.

 

[JD82]

I've read it - and that's whay I'm saying that he should be supported in a controlled manner (i.e. it's made very clear to him exactly how much money the club has to spend on new signings). Nobody is saying that Harry should have complete control of the place!! But he should be supported by Levy.

Harry has earned it through his performance as manager of this club.

A lot of people on this site seem to think that Levy is the better judge of talent. How?!?! He's a deal-maker/deal-breaker, not a manager, coach, scout or talent evaluator. As much as I don't want Harry having control of the purse strings, I don't want Levy having control of what players we are targeting....

And don't forget, while ENIC have been very good owners of the club, Levy has overseen quite a few f#ck-ups during his time here too!! Jol's sacking, Santini's hiring, losing Arnesen, losing Berbatov.... no one here is without blame or without credit.

It seems two 'lurkers' felt the need to contribute similar posts at similar times

 

[m*****73]

Ryan's ITK regarding Levy not going after the players Harry wants worries me. If Levy isn't going to back his manager, why is he still employing him?

I personally think Redknapp's results since he arrived, warrant him being backed. He's the manager and if he wants player X and it is within our means then Levy should do his best to get the deal done. If player X is not financially viable then Levy can tell Harry this and we move on to Harry's next target. At no point should Levy start buying who 'he' thinks we should. He isn't a manager, he is a businessman and needs to stick to what he knows.

As for the the people calling for Harry to go and getting all excited about the prospect of Ancelotti, you seem to have short memories. The grass isn't always greener...

:clap::clap::clap:

The voice of reason.... 100% agree.