The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - 11 August 2011

[rawhide]

Constructive dismissal after a poor start anyone?

 

[Paolo10]

Maybe then Levy's not prepared to pay £35m for him when Redknapp's indecision last summer cost us getting him for half that?

Or maybe Levy doesn't want to pay that much for someone else who can't partner vdV and will need a new #9 to play alongside as well?

Just speculation of course. Personally I'd absolutely love Rossi.

Anti-HR specualtion ignoring respected ITK that said DL fucked it by coming back to Villareal with a lower offer.

 

[ryantegan]

Maybe then Levy's not prepared to pay £35m for him when Redknapp's indecision last summer cost us getting him for half that?

Or maybe Levy doesn't want to pay that much for someone else who can't partner vdV and will need a new #9 to play alongside as well?

Just speculation of course. Personally I'd absolutely love Rossi.

Whose indecision?

Look at the situation again and you'll probably change your conclusion. I do beleive it was penny pinching that cost us Rossi 1st time round and not football tactics as some would have you beleive.

Harry would love Rossi, Harry doesn't give a shit about the money

 

[Viper]

Mud-slinging aside I do worry about the relationship between Harry and Levy. What Harry says in the press doesn't always seem to mirror what Levy has said is his vision for the club and you wonder why that dichotomy (what a word! Probably incorrectly used/spelt) is there.

There is still a nagging part of me that thinks Levy doesn't think Harry is our long term manager, whether that be for footballing or legal reasons, and I worry that is having a negative impact on our transfer window.

I think we still all need to hold fire until September 1st to see what happens but if what Ryan is saying is true then that is a bit/very worrying.

I fully expect this to be Harry's last season with us, he will be England manager by this time next year and I believe is the big reason why Levy wont buy some of Redknapps older targers like Parker etc. This is bound to cause slight unrest between the two, but if Levy goes out and gets Diarra, Rossi or Hulk then im sure Harry wouldnt complain, but the fact we have got nobody as yet must be frustrating for Harry as much as it is for us!

 

[jurgen]

Can't blame Levy, he probably took one look at Harry's shopping list containing Neville, Parker and Shane Long and instantly binned it!

Only itk on Shane Long was that it would have been a deal Levy approves of? Harry's talked up Adebayor and Rossi, he clearly likes them - they aren't here...

In my opinion (and seeing as ryan says Rossi keeps coming up) its more likely to be Harry wanting players who Levy isn't prepared to spend enough on to get here and then not believing (often mistakenly) that other targets lower down the food chain won't improve us enough.

 

[sunnydelight786]

Maybe Levy is not comfortable shelling out huge wads knowing that the manager won't be here in 10 months time hence is allowing only £ to be spent that is brought in first through player sales......

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

I think sometimes Harry forgets about the 25man squad rule. He talks about wanting to keep Kranjcar and all our strikers minus Keane. But then apparently in for Adebayor, Rossi and Mata. Kranjcar for example is not gonna get any game time if we get Mata.

He should stop moaning IMO. His record with club finances is hardly a great so I think he should leave the board to make their own decisions so we don't go the way of his previous clubs.

 

[Paolo10]

That has been said over and over again, that's a poor excuse for not strengthening the squad.

Sure why let him sign any players if he's not going to be here? Stupid.

Edit: Yeah Justin, THAT'S why Pompey and Saints went down the pan, just HR. Nothing to do with anything else. Fuck me.

 

[arthurgrimsdell]

Anti-HR specualtion ignoring respected ITK that said DL fucked it by coming back to Villareal with a lower offer.

I thought that the respected ITK was that Harry said that DL fucked it by coming back to Villareal with a lower offer.

 

[m*****73]

Harry won't be here come August 2012. Got to be tough on the relationship between the club and manager.

Why?!?! Apart from getting sent down, why should HR be under threat?

Seems to me that Harry has, by and large, done an excellent job at the club. Yes, he has some obvious limitations and he's overly loyal to some players (e.g. Defoe & Crouch) BUT there is no denying that he has been a major factor in our recent rise from also-rans to a true top 4 challenger. He deserves alot of credit for that....

Ancelloti is a proven winner but I'm in rush to get him at WHL in place of Harry. There's absolutely no guarantee that he'd do a better job.

It appears from Ryan's update that HR is very frustrated - as 99.9% of the posters on this site are too - at the lack of improvement in the squad this offseason. If Harry has identified a couple of targets - and some deadwood that can leave - then surely Levy should go and make every effort to deliver on that? :shrug:

Yeah, Harry has a track record of making some 'dodgy' deals but so long as his transfers are done in a controlled manner (i.e. it's made clear to him that we have £Xm to spend and not a penny more) then the risk of him leading the club to financial ruin is minimised.

Think about it.

Who is the better evaluator of footballing talent? HR or DL? One of them has spent his entire life in footballing circles, the other is an accountant...

Can you imagine what Harry must feel when he looks at what is happening at Liverpool (our closest competitors for 5th spot)? Dalglish is supported 100% by the Board and he is given the funds to go and sign the players he wants. He is trusted by the club's owners despite not having managed at the top level for a considerable period of time. Harry on the other hand has lead Spurs from the Ramos crisis to the QFs of the Champions League.... and he is (apparently) ignored, doubted and not trusted by the hierarchy when it comes to player personnel decisions.

Crazy!!!

Like I said before, Levy thinks he's smarter than everyone else... instead he's f#cking blind to the fact that his brinkmanship and one-upmanship and general mistrust of Harry is gonna come back to hurt this club in a big way...

:evil:

 

[Paolo10]

Came from 3 different people near enough with varying prices etc. but the same story.

 

[Samson]

Exactly. I'm with Levy all the way on this one.

Harry wanted J.Cole, Levy got VDV.

Nuff said.

Didn't Harry also want Fabiano?

 

[stevenurse]

sack harry then, if the club isnt prepared to act now for the best of the team there is something wrong

 

[Viper]

Only itk on Shane Long was that it would have been a deal Levy approves of? Harry's talked up Adebayor and Rossi, he clearly likes them - they aren't here...

In my opinion (and seeing as ryan says Rossi keeps coming up) its more likely to be Harry wanting players who Levy isn't prepared to spend enough on to get here and then not believing (often mistakenly) that other targets lower down the food chain won't improve us enough.

Either way both Harry and Levy both need to sit down, nail down one or two targets that they both agree on and go for them hammer and tongs. Our scatter gun approach of offering low bids for quality players in the hope we can pinch another deal like VDV isnt working. If we want the very best our transfer record plus wage structure will have to be broken but on players like Rossi and Adebyor its worth it, we would be immense with guys like this upfront.

 

[m*****73]

so when harry joined the club when we were bottom of table u expected him to sign world class players. he got players to get us out of mess and who did and can still do good job. wilson was amazing signing but in all honesty anyone who knows their stuff wud take diarra over wilson everytime. if we can get top class striker u wud take that over crouch or defoe or keane. only thing i have gripes with harry is the whole bringing back robbie keane. should never have been done but i feel their is something to that transfer that meets the eye. and im irish lad too but i never rated keane to be top notch and not even close. other than that harry has been top top notch and best manager imo since bill nick..he knows whats needed to make team better he should be let do it instead of that spurs board

:clap: 100% agree.... I don't always agree with HR but he deserves to be supported (and trusted) by the Board. He has earned that....

 

[Ionman34]

ill keep saying it that levy and his chronies are fucking us up big time. dont care what anyone else says about good financial sense and all that he has a terrible relationship with all other clubs from what i hear and i firmly believe he is very wet behind ears when it comes to getting tranfers done and getting out of blocks early. i dont think a sporting director is the answer either one bit. the only answer is to get a billionaire in who knows that money talks and fucking the penny pinching.

levy and spurs have invested alot and got us to a certain point in table but what it takes now is balls and, the way football has gone , investment to attract the biigger world lass player to make all the difference to the side. He can't and won't do it imo.

The entire post was hysterical but the bold bit just had me cracking ribs. :rofl::rofl::rofl:

 

[nailsy]

I wonder if Harry's willingness to talk to the media so much means that he is being left out of the loop now.

 

[Samson]

Why?!?! Apart from getting sent down, why should HR be under threat?

Seems to me that Harry has, by and large, done an excellent job at the club. Yes, he has some obvious limitations and he's overly loyal to some players (e.g. Defoe & Crouch) BUT there is no denying that he has been a major factor in our recent rise from also-rans to a true top 4 challenger. He deserves alot of credit for that....

Ancelloti is a proven winner but I'm in rush to get him at WHL in place of Harry. There's absolutely no guarantee that he'd do a better job.

It appears from Ryan's update that HR is very frustrated - as 99.9% of the posters on this site are too - at the lack of improvement in the squad this offseason. If Harry has identified a couple of targets - and some deadwood that can leave - then surely Levy should go and make every effort to deliver on that? :shrug:

Yeah, Harry has a track record of making some 'dodgy' deals but so long as his transfers are done in a controlled manner (i.e. it's made clear to him that we have £Xm to spend and not a penny more) then the risk of him leading the club to financial ruin is minimised.

Think about it.

Who is the better evaluator of footballing talent? HR or DL? One of them has spent his entire life in footballing circles, the other is an accountant...

Can you imagine what Harry must feel when he looks at what is happening at Liverpool (our closest competitors for 5th spot)? Dalglish is supported 100% by the Board and he is given the funds to go and sign the players he wants. He is trusted by the club's owners despite not having managed at the top level for a considerable period of time. harry on the other hand has lead Spurs from the Ramos crisis to the QFs of the Champions League.... and he is (apparently) ignored, doubted and not trusted by the hierarchy when it comes to player personnel decisions.

Crazy!!!

Like I said before, Levy thinks he's smarter than everyone else... instead he's f#cking blind to the fact that his brinkmanship and one-upmanship and general mistrust of Harry is gonna come back to hurt this club in a big way...

:evil:

Criminal trial/England job/6th place finish. If he gets thru the trial, he'll be going all out for England. We'll finish 6th and Harry will need to make it clear that that was the club's doing, not his. Relationship soured, even if he doesn't get it. He's in his mid sixties.

You should read Broken Dreams by the way. Harry, who I like and wish could stay around longer, cannot be trusted by any club that wishes to stay solvent.

 

[ryantegan]

Didn't Harry also want Fabiano?

Yes.

He was a great option at the time a levy backed the manager with that one, fabiano fucked us over.

No one comes out smelling of roses for sure

It's the apparent unrest that scares me

 

[$hoguN]

Whose indecision?

Look at the situation again and you'll probably change your conclusion. I do beleive it was penny pinching that cost us Rossi 1st time round and not football tactics as some would have you beleive.

Harry would love Rossi, Harry doesn't give a shit about the money

Unfortunately that trait has cost a lot of clubs over the years, when it came to Harry leaving. I'm not having a dig at Harry as I love having him at the club, however I do refuse to believe that it is Levy's penny pinching that has made us lose out on the likes of Rossi, as Levy has shown over and over again he is willing to invest money into the squad and Harry himself has said the problem getting players has not been Levy but the prices people want for certain players.