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Gbspurs

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Disconosebleed said:
Sums up moderrn footballers that handing in a transfer request was a last resort AFTER bitching on social media about not being allowed his move and trying to force it through without an official request. Here's a thought , how about respecting the contract you signed by either staying at the club for the agreed duration, or accept that in wanting to break your contract, you lose the right to any agreed bonuses?

Does my fucking head in that players think they should be able to demand a move unofficially and still retain their loyalty bonuses. The FA should implement some sort of law that treats behaviour tantamount to handing in a request the same as handing in a request. If you're in the papers saying that you want to be allowed to move, that should be treated as a transfer request. This stupid netherworld of the unofficial request gives players all the power.

It might work in our favour in this instance, in the short-term, but it's like getting with a girl who has a boyfriend...all well and good at the time, but when she cheats on you a year down the line, you lose the right to complain.
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On the flip side he has given Southampton 6 years, from league 1 to prem. I suspect he has been promised a hell of a lot and I doubt those promises included losing the manager and half the team. Loyalty works both ways and IMO you would have to be an unambtious mug to want to stay with what's going on there.
 
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robin09 said:
The circumstances are, player has a contract that he signed. He has to honour that contract, if the Club don't want to sell him before. That's it. The Club can conduct other business however they want, it doesn't alter the contract a player signed. Regardless of how many of his friends get sold. The Club's stance is, we'll buy replacements. That's our job, your job is to play.

It's crazy that people are saying its ok for him to act this way, after the shit we went through with Bale, Modric and Berbatov. And try to claim it's different.
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I think you're ignoring implicit reasons players sign contracts with a team to begin with. It's not in a contract explicitly that a team is going to do everything it can to win, but often I am sure that type of assurance is given to a player who then signs the contract. I don't see how it's reasonable to expect a player to "shut up, play, & get paid," as though a wage is the only reason he's playing, simply because all the things that a club promised him as their part of the deal aren't - and frankly can't be - in the contract. They aren't indentured servants.
 
brasil_spur

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robin09 said:
The circumstances are, player has a contract that he signed. He has to honour that contract, if the Club don't want to sell him before. That's it. The Club can conduct other business however they want, it doesn't alter the contract a player signed. Regardless of how many of his friends get sold. The Club's stance is, we'll buy replacements. That's our job, your job is to play.

It's crazy that people are saying its ok for him to act this way, after the shit we went through with Bale, Modric and Berbatov. And try to claim it's different.
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But it is different, very different. We sold our star player in each of those windows, one star player - Southampton have sold 3 star players, their (arguably) best striker of last season and one of their future hot prospect players.

I don't think there's a single sane Saints fan who begrudges MS wanting to move club this summer.
 
HappySpur

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samspurs92 said:
JJ has just said Schneiderlin will be difficult to get at the right price now......

Bugger.
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Well let's be honest. It did feel a bit foreign when his transfer was going so smoothly. Now that his link to us is changing from yes to no every five minutes, I for one, fell way more comfortable. :D
 
SpartanSpur

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HappySpur said:
Well let's be honest. It did feel a bit foreign when his transfer was going so smoothly. Now that his link to us is changing from yes to no every five minutes, I for one, fell way more comfortable. :D
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Haha one way of looking at it. JJ was very on/off with Ben Davies IIRC.

@JJetset I didn't mean on/off in terms of accuracy btw, just that you went from thinking it was possibly ON to possibly OFF at different times, and yet it still went through...
 
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R_1001001

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Perhaps being a bit 'meh' and disinterested in training will help Koeman decide to get rid and a replacement in asap ... ?
 
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People don't know what agreements have been made between clubs and players, contracts mean nothing anyway except increased transfer fees, if a player is promised the opportunity to move if an offer comes in with certain prerequisites then I can understand a player feeling aggrieved and agitating for a move. Never are these things just black and white
 
Mr Pink

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samspurs92 said:
JJ has just said Schneiderlin will be difficult to get at the right price now......

Bugger.
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A real shame if we don't get him now after all this.

But I suspect we're nowhere near what they want for him and they've put the foot down when they've realised how far apart we were.

Also all this changing of the transfer request submitted thing...hope it isn't that we've informed him that we won't be meeting their asking price and he's done a u turn....
 
THFCSPURS19

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I think SC might be broken...very slow and sometimes doesn't load- looks like no one has made a post in 20 minutes (except this one hopefully)

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