The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - DEADLINE DAY 31st August 2021

[hellava_tough]

worst case scenario would be a grealish one. urgh

Don't think he's as good as Grealish tbh.

Perhaps that's the thing; it all depends on a member's perception of how good Traore is.

If you think he's 'good', but not great, then wait til next summer.

If he's 'great', then we need him now!

Onions and all that...

 

[Ghostie]

Am I the only one that is satisfied with our window give we fixed most of the problem areas through signings and players coming back from loan (and some being coached back into form)?

Yes we could have brought in Traore for 40mill and the early promise of Martinez had us excited but I think the only areas we didn't improve where Creative CM and CF alternative and we already have fall back options in Ndombele and Scarlett - which may work and save us a lot of money or may not and wouldnt be the end of the world.

I don't think he would help with the balance of our team.

I do like Traore but I think because Wolves always seem to be under the cosh he gets the chance to do what he's good at 'breaking at pace' which might have been ok for us when we are playing the better teams away but would he have been able to do anything in a game like Watford when we were encamped in their last third m for the best part of the game
Should have bought Bissouma though

 

[vegassd]

That said I've not enjoyed this window at all. I think the tone towards those that pass bits on has been pretty poor throughout. I know it's a minority but I do feel the snide digs, the circumventing of the rules via clever wording in posts and how the emoji system has been abused to say things posters can't outright say has increased quite substantially. So I am fairly sure I'll be changing how I pass things on in the future because everything now is jumped upon as soon as it doesn't quite pan out in the readers mind.

I'm sure you already know, but the vast majority on here are hugely grateful to you and the other ITKs. Saying that, I did notice a seeming increase in people using the "creative" emoji when they basically wanted to call bullshit on something. I imagine that can't be fun for you guys.

I haven't posted much myself during the window because is often a fool's errand to try and have a conversation about stuff. Shame there are so many who like "sharing their opinion" 20 times a day without worrying about the implications.

Again, big thanks to you ITKs, the whores and everybody who keeps the Goat fed!

 

[Ghostie]

I don't really inderstand why we fought off oppositin to buy Pape Matar Sarr and then let him go back to his club

What I've seen of him he looks pretty useful and he could have learnt a lot by being with us and playing in the U-21s/23s if not the first team

 

[wrd]

I don't really inderstand why we fought off oppositin to buy Pape Matar Sarr and then let him go back to his club

What I've seen of him he looks pretty useful and he could have learnt a lot by being with us and playing in the U-21s/23s if not the first team

Only way to get the price we did I imagine

 

[EZSpur]

I don't really inderstand why we fought off oppositin to buy Pape Matar Sarr and then let him go back to his club

What I've seen of him he looks pretty useful and he could have learnt a lot by being with us and playing in the U-21s/23s if not the first team

Tbf you can't beat real first-team, competitive football.
As much as I'd love to see Sarr straight away, I think it makes a lot of sense to let him stay and continue his development in an environment he's comfortable with.

Remember we did the same with Dele and he came in blazing.

 

[Ghostie]

I'm sure you already know, but the vast majority on here are hugely grateful to you and the other ITKs. Saying that, I did notice a seeming increase in people using the "creative" emoji when they basically wanted to call bullshit on something. I imagine that can't be fun for you guys.

I haven't posted much myself during the window because is often a fool's errand to try and have a conversation about stuff. Shame there are so many who like "sharing their opinion" 20 times a day without worrying about the implications.

Again, big thanks to you ITKs, the whores and everybody who keeps the Goat fed!

Trix think yourself lucky that you're not on ano

Only way to get the price we did I imagine

That could be true

 

[wrd]

Sarr does look an incredible talent though doesn't he, I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up being the best business of the lot. A top midfielder can transform a team.

 

[Hercules]

I am taking time to calm down, and emotions under Check. All I will say is, DL couldn’t help himself, but go get involved and overrule his DoF.
Trix alluded too it. I don’t take sides! I am not anti/pro DL. I share what I 100% know is true, and behind closed doors they know why it is so. Ratings used to bother me, but not no more. I will share with discretion. COYS

 

[Snarfalicious]

I also think clearing the wages will be important come January-ish when Paratici is looking for some pre-contract agreements heading into the summer - something we know he is very adept at. First one that comes to mind is Franck Kessie. Should give us some cost-savings right now, but also some financial freedom moving forward.

 

[longtimespur]

Maybe.

We only pass on what we hear, and unfortunately that means taking the truth along with the source's opinion. I've said many times my info comes partly from agents partly from someone at the club who admittedly hasn't been at the top table for a while but is still well connected. I always make a point of saying if the source on a specific subject is particularly well placed because I get that the context changes depending where it's come from. For instance there are certain transfer dealings that I've known literally everything about because it's come direct from the agent dealing with the transfer.

That said I've not enjoyed this window at all. I think the tone towards those that pass bits on has been pretty poor throughout. I know it's a minority but I do feel the snide digs, the circumventing of the rules via clever wording in posts and how the emoji system has been abused to say things posters can't outright say has increased quite substantially. So I am fairly sure I'll be changing how I pass things on in the future because everything now is jumped upon as soon as it doesn't quite pan out in the readers mind. I'll still be talking with others behind the scenes, and I'll still post bits and use the goat as and when. What I won't do is post the play by play stuff as I hear it because things do change

Thanks for all you've given , and could well have changed by the time I've heard and posted. I've been doing this a long time and pass even more back of house than the forum ever see's.

Like I said I'll post a postmortem in a couple of days of how I've heard things went down, and we will see if we can work out a better way to pass stuff in the future. I'm here as a Spurs fan first and foremost, and everything else is secondary.

COYS.

Sorry to hear that Trix but can totally understand where you're coming from. I certainly would not have lasted as long as you have..
All the best for the future and pass the info through the goat, I can see all our ITKs going down this route unfortunately.

 

[bomberH]

I am taking time to calm dơn,

Is your ‘O’ smoking a cigar?

 

[carpediem991]

I honestly think with a probable investment of 40-50m in sight, that is probably exceeding the budget, I want to be involved as CEO.

Bit hard to see from the outside why this wasn't discussed a week before Deadline Day like, we can not go any higher than 30m, if they do the deal good if not, already look out for Plan B or C.
Would be really interesting to know more details of the conversation.

 

[Rob]

Bit hard to see from the outside why this wasn't discussed a week before Deadline Day like, we can not go any higher than 30m, if they do the deal good if not, already look out for Plan B or C.

Because that'd cost us 30m. This way, Levy keeps them all busy until the deadline day so they don't accidentally spend any money he doesn't really want them to. It's laughable and I really thought this year would be different!

 

[soflapaul]

Like I said I'll post a postmortem in a couple of days of how I've heard things went down, and we will see if we can work out a better way to pass stuff in the future. I'm here as a Spurs fan first and foremost, and everything else is secondary.

COYS.

I am taking time to calm dơn, and emotions under Check. All I will say is, DL couldn’t help himself, but go get involved and overrule his DoF.
Trix alluded too it. I don’t take sides! I am not anti/pro DL. I share what I 100% know is true, and behind closed doors they know why it is so. Ratings used to bother me, but not no more. I will share with discretion. COYS

My two cents worth if that anyone with half a brain realizes you two, and others, are describing a dynamic situation with info from parties who are viewing from different parts of the organization/process. What you describe most likely is accurate, incomplete and transitory. IT's the nature of hte beast. And please know that while i can't speak for others, it pisses me off to no end when some yahoo doesn't have the brain to understand a) the above and b) that you are trying to help us make sense of information in a vacuum. A public service if you will. While i love the banter, match day opinions, etc, i would spend a helluva lot less time on SC if you two weren't posting. Many thanks for all that you do and know that it is gratefully received.

 

[Roberts84]

Tbf you can't beat real first-team, competitive football.
As much as I'd love to see Sarr straight away, I think it makes a lot of sense to let him stay and continue his development in an environment he's comfortable with.

Remember we did the same with Dele and he came in blazing.

As much as I agree, if we got him and loaned him out to a championship side, he’d be classed as HG in a few years.

 

[carpediem991]

Because that'd cost us 30m. This way, Levy keeps them all busy until the deadline day so they don't accidentally spend any money he doesn't really want them to. It's laughable and I really thought this year would be different!

That is the worrying part that its not unlikely to be the case.

Having the numbers right in a pandemic, its priority sure - but with all this invest in infrastructure, not being up for going all the way to have a real Top 4 competitive squad is just baffling and frustrating.

Levy is probably fed up that basically all signings above 30m have been disappointing for the club.

 

[carpediem991]

As much as I agree, if we got him and loaned him out to a championship side, he’d be classed as HG in a few years.

Another baffling thing. Imagine having a shit hot CM prospect who is HG on your hands. No one cares how he will perform, some Stoke or Villa team will take him for 20m+ in a few years, if he succeeds he is suddenly worth 70m+.
Only acceptable if it was a deal breaker for Metz.

 

[septicsac]

I'm not a Levy/Enic fan, with the lack of investments in the windows when we were top 4 being the final straw, but I am glad we didn't spend 50m on AT, there has to be better value out there, such as Ings, Daka etc. Both a risk, but so would Traore. However it sucks to hear Levy vetoed the deal and not Fab, why give him the job if you do not trust him. Then again were there no alternatives, or why were all our eggs in the Traore basket?

With regards to ITK, people just have to realize that info comes from various sources, different levels , some obviously closer to the top or with more knowledge than others, but also that things can change. Blasting them achieves nothing, but reducing the amount of info on offer. Let's face it , it's Spurs and Levy, we have all been here before is a good attitude to have, as it inevitably happens time after time after time.
Realistically it's hard to see top 4, our net spend is lower than the likes of spammers, with the top 4 all strengthening as well. However, as they say, it's a funny old game and we got the best start possible, COYS

 

[Trix]

As much as I agree, if we got him and loaned him out to a championship side, he’d be classed as HG in a few years.

You have to think there may have been a reason for it though. Perhaps it made the deal easier to do, or cheaper. It might have been that we told him we wanted to loan him out as we wanted him to have more game time than he'd get with us, and he asked to be loaned back because he felt that would be of benefit to him. Could also be the fact he's a kid and didn't want to move to a new country knowing wherever he moved to, he'd have to move again in a years time.

I think there are lots of reasons for him to be loaned back personally and it makes more sense.

 

[brendanb50]

Because that'd cost us 30m. This way, Levy keeps them all busy until the deadline day so they don't accidentally spend any money he doesn't really want them to. It's laughable and I really thought this year would be different!

I think this is probably at the heart of most frustrations here, even if not aired this way - Basically Traore's price was getting high, perhaps Nuno & Paratici were still buyers at £30m - £50m but Levy wasn't - This isn't an unreasonable stance, the underlying issue I have, is as you've put it Rob, why didn't we move for option B or C instead a couple of days before the deadline?

As you've said, it could be Levy being a bit of a knob, could also be that we also considered options B/C but it wasn't happening, Nuno may not have wanted other options and wanted Traore. Either way the frustration from fans is more around a missed opportunity to improve a tiny bit more than we did. Although i'd still call it a decent window.