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Love him. But he's only first 11 when we play 343
If it's 4231 he's behind Wanyama as the DM.
Dier is possibly third pick in midfield and only a back up at CB. He has talent and i believe that Poch likes his adaptability, but at the moment he is a jack of all trades rather than the master of one.
His best position in cm by a mile.
@davidmatzdorf- why spam my post? I thought you intelligent enough to at least provide an argument against my opinion
As japhet said, with him we can switch formations during the game. He gives the team fluidity in attack and defence.
With him we switch from 4231 to 343 to 3313. It makes us unpredictable and very hard to play against. We switch continuously through games attacking and defending.
He might not be the greatest cb or dm but doing both roles during a game he is very good.
I don't "disagree". The post is "spam": no content. It's an unsupported statement of opinion with no argument. That's basically spam. No one cares what my "opinion" is, unless I post an argument to explain and support it.
Then ask me to elaborate...........
Two seasons ago dier had a blinder in cm, and was along with alli, one of the finds of the season for us.
We got waynama as further cover in cm and initially dier was among him until dembele returned.
After that he was used to cover injuries to both our first choice cbs and then in the back three, but often whilst at the back got turned easily and exposed on one in ones.
All this time waynama remained in cm, allowing him to develop the role as dier had the previous season
well said...and just to add, it makes me doubt the summer media claims re: Dier wants to move to Man U to play the DM positionI don't think there's a game that goes by when Dier doesn't play defensive midfield some of the time and central defence some of the time, irrespective of his nominal starting position.
It's reminiscent of the arguments [on every bloody match thread, before kickoff] about whether Eriksen or Lamela or Dele or Son should play as a "no. 10" in the centre, with two others playing wide. Once the game is underway they rotate all over the place and cover each other.
Similarly, we have these interminable jousts about 4-2-3-1 vs. 3-4-2-1. In practice, we play both "formations" in every game, depending on the state of the transition from minute to minute - and the scoreline.
Formations and positions, as fans debate them, are semi-obsolete. Pochettino's whole "philosophy" has been based on positional flexibility, from the time he arrived at Southampton and probably before - which is one reason why he rates Dier more highly than many fans.
The notional/nominal starting "position" of our midfield and defensive players - well, the whole team except for the goalkeeper - is just a guide. But people treat it as if it's ironclad and thus to blame or to credit for failure and success. It's an entirely specious discussion.
As japhet said, with him we can switch formations during the game. He gives the team fluidity in attack and defence.
With him we switch from 4231 to 343 to 3313. It makes us unpredictable and very hard to play against. We switch continuously through games attacking and defending.
He might not be the greatest cb or dm but doing both roles during a game he is very good.
I don't think there's a game that goes by when Dier doesn't play defensive midfield some of the time and central defence some of the time, irrespective of his nominal starting position.
It's reminiscent of the arguments [on every bloody match thread, before kickoff] about whether Eriksen or Lamela or Dele or Son should play as a "no. 10" in the centre, with two others playing wide. Once the game is underway they rotate all over the place and cover each other.
Similarly, we have these interminable jousts about 4-2-3-1 vs. 3-4-2-1. In practice, we play both "formations" in every game, depending on the state of the transition from minute to minute - and the scoreline.
Formations and positions, as fans debate them, are semi-obsolete. Pochettino's whole "philosophy" has been based on positional flexibility, from the time he arrived at Southampton and probably before - which is one reason why he rates Dier more highly than many fans.
The notional/nominal starting "position" of our midfield and defensive players - well, the whole team except for the goalkeeper - is just a guide. But people treat it as if it's ironclad and thus to blame or to credit for failure and success. It's an entirely specious discussion.
I don't think there's a game that goes by when Dier doesn't play defensive midfield some of the time and central defence some of the time, irrespective of his nominal starting position.
It's reminiscent of the arguments [on every bloody match thread, before kickoff] about whether Eriksen or Lamela or Dele or Son should play as a "no. 10" in the centre, with two others playing wide. Once the game is underway they rotate all over the place and cover each other.
Similarly, we have these interminable jousts about 4-2-3-1 vs. 3-4-2-1. In practice, we play both "formations" in every game, depending on the state of the transition from minute to minute - and the scoreline.
Formations and positions, as fans debate them, are semi-obsolete. Pochettino's whole "philosophy" has been based on positional flexibility, from the time he arrived at Southampton and probably before - which is one reason why he rates Dier more highly than many fans.
The notional/nominal starting "position" of our midfield and defensive players - well, the whole team except for the goalkeeper - is just a guide. But people treat it as if it's ironclad and thus to blame or to credit for failure and success. It's an entirely specious discussion.
Somebody has to be dropped to make way for him, and that in general weakens the team. If i am wrong on this who would you drop?