The England Thread

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  1. SUIYHA

    SUIYHA Well-Known Member

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    Being good as a teenager means absolutely fuck all in the grand scheme of things.

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  2. Bus-Conductor

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    Don't forget Dier in midfield too. With Paulinho thrown in for good measure on the other side. That game was like watching midfield quicksand.
     
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  3. LexingtonSpurs

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    Line-up next year will be very interesting.

    I think you could be looking at 6 Spurs in the starting line-up:

    Kane

    Dele .......(Lallana/Rashford/Sterling)

    Rose ..................Winks Dier ...............Trippier

    Cahill Stones Maguire

    Hart
    Pickford
    Butland

    Walker probably starts ahead of Trippier, but its not a given. I think the part that will cause the most trouble is when people start to realize that there is really only one spot open for Lallana, Rashford, and Sterling. Southgate has already expressed a preference for 3 in the back. Even if Dier moves to the back-3, it still ends up being Henderson in the CM/DM role. The only way to get another attacking player on is to move Dele back to Winks' role. It could happen, but if Winks becomes a fixture in our starting XI, he is a lock to start for England next summer.
     
  4. 'O Zio

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    I've learned over the years that with England there's what should happen and what will happen. Despite the likes of Winks being clearly the way forward, I guarantee you it'll be the same old tired faces like Henderson regardless. Always the same with England.
     
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  5. LexingtonSpurs

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    We will see, but I don't think so. I think Southgate has a strange fascination with Poch - and is trying to build the England squad in the same set up as Spurs. He has also put Rooney out to pasture, told Smalling that he has better options, and has given a lot of younger players a chance. I think Southgate, like Poch, realizes you need a creative outlet in that 2nd CM role. Its obvious that they both love Dier - so he is going to be in the line-up somewhere. Just a matter of where, and who partners him, if he stays in the CM/DM role.
     
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  6. 'O Zio

    'O Zio Active Member

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    I hope you're right but I've been waiting for this to happen for about 10 years
     
  7. nailsy

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    It probably feels like it's the same old players all the time, but there's only about six or seven players left from the 2014 squad.
     
  8. 'O Zio

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    I think we're moving in the right direction recently but even though Rooney has finally been sent to the fucking glue factory, there are still people who get picked if they're fit regardless of performances e.g. Hart and Henderson, and a couple of experimental friendlies aren't enough to convince me that Southgate won't revert to type and just pick the most famous players from the big clubs like England managers always seem to.
     
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  9. spursfan77

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    My preseason prediction of Winks being named in the initial larger England World Cup squad before being cut from the final 23 for wilshere is still looking good unfortunately.
     
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  10. Shadydan

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    Why?
     
  11. mpickard2087

    mpickard2087 Fantastic Member

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    The biggest problem will be balance. Yes there are technical and tactical problems and deficiencies, but selecting a complimentary team is always where England falls down before a ball is kicked.

    For instance, if you're going with the 3-4-2-1, why are people selecting two of Sterling, Rashford and Alli behind Kane? They are more finishers who need the ball coming to then, they're not going to be on the ball dictating play. It's one of them paired with a creative hub type who will get ball and keep things ticking (almost certainly Lallana from the slim pickings) in that formation. Just going 'I've selected Winks in the deeper role' isn't going to cut it, there would still be a massive void in that crucial space between the lines.
     
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    According to the Daily Fail, Southgate ideal first XI is

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  13. nailsy

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    I can't understand why Hart is still first choice. I'm not even sure why he's in the squad. Henderson seems very ineffective, but he's not the liability that Hart seems to be now.
     
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  14. WiganSpur

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    That's pretty decent. You'd be tempted to go further and bring in Sterling for Henderson too. Would also have Trippier over Walker now tbh.
     
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    I don't want Henderson anywhere near the team. He's a liability and a headless chicken
     
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    I'm not really sure what else he could say. Southgate's got a four year contract and they aren't going to publicly talk about axing him if things go wrong as that could unsettle the squad before the tournament even begins. If we fail to get out of the group I'm sure his position will be reviewed and I wouldn't be surprised if Southgate resigned under those circumstances.
     
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  18. Riandor

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    The biggest issue with that Daily Fail starting 11 is Hart.
    He is a liability at the moment and should be dropped to the bench in favour of someone like Pickford.
     
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  19. panoma

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    Lots of spots up for grabs in this England side. Other than Walker, Sterling and Kane it's hard to say anyone else really nailed on to start the world cup

    This is good though. Will reward those who have a great season
     
  20. nailsy

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    I'm not even certain about Walker or Sterling. Trippier might get the nod because of his set piece delivery and Sterling hasn't looked good for England for a while.
     

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