The Harry Effect

[gibbs131]

Talk about a childish post.

B-C is trying to make a point, their is no need to try and intimidate him into giving an agressive response by typing such things as "you know I owned you" and "awwwwww"..

If you want to prove him wrong, do so by giving factual information or stating your opinion in a constructive way.

Not like this at all. You will just lose any credibility that you might have very quickly, you'r not doing yourself ANY favours by making such posts.

The best part was when I owned his face.

He said in the very first post that he has already been ridiculed for his view. So don't act surprised when he gets the same treatment.

As for constructive, he thought your answer was laughable. He called me a plum etc, I call him insane.

He comes up with long winded put downs, I put about 1 second of thought into mine. Because he was owned, in the general face area. (points finger in a circular motion around the face)

 

[DC_Boy]

Hi yanno

some good stuff there about the likely effects of JR on some of our players - have some rep


I'd never thought of comparing JR to Hodd before - but hey there are some similarities aren't there ?

so far Harry has done a briliant job - indeed a miraculous job - whether it will last - where it will take us - who knows - not me

but as long as it keeps us in this division this season then it's job done and anything on top is the proverbial bonus

I think that it was very likely that JR would have taken us down the way other results have gone - of course I can't prove that (the bolton game was such a big one for example - would JR have won it - who knows?) and if others disagree I entirely respect that, and certainly am not going to argue about it

jes giving my 'umble opinion

 

[mil1lion]

The biggest difference so far for me, since Harry arrived has been the resilience of the team. We dont give up anymore and its showed in our comeback against Arsenal, our win against Liverpool, even our holding on against a determined Man City side, and the way we held onto a 1-0 lead against Blackburn. Wheras before that, we only really showed that kind of resilience in the Carling Cup, and against the top 4.

Hmmmm thanks for that, but you're mistaken, I've missed hardly any action over the last month. And my eyes have been wide open. Perhaps you might like to engage your brain.

So he threw Lennon on when we were trailing. Genius. Yes, and like i said, he scored the winning goal. So whats your point? He made the right decision to bring him on when he did and it paid off. Great decision.

And it was Clive Allen who first played Modric in that position. And Harry kept him there and it paid off, especially against Arsenal. Did Clive pick the team for the Arsenal game? So whats your point? Are you suggesting that Harry cant make his own judgement, so he just followed Clives initial idea?

So he threw an extra striker on when we were trailing. Genius. His wonderful tactics should have left us dead and buried in that game long before the substitutions btw. We weren't trailing, it was 0-0. He brought Pavyluchenko on and kept Bent on. They were responsible for the goal and the win. And his tactics were the same as before. We were bossed by a superior midfield, not because of the tactics.

And he finally selected Lennon from the start, well done Harry! Pity you couldn't bring yourself to drop Bentley and instead shoved him over the left, thus making him even more shocking than usual. And he played him on the right in order to exploit a young left back who gets little help from the midfielder in front of him. He makes wrong decisions too but Bentley played shockingly bad, and he has to take responsibility for his own performance too. And Bentley was starting to hit form again by the way, so i'm not surprised Harry started him.

Sorry but thats just a ridiculous way of looking at things. So by your analysis, the manager doesn't get credit for the good decisions he makes? These are decisions that Harry made which proved crucial to our results. Its easy to sit back and say "yeah well why didn't he just play Pavylcuhenko and Lennon from the start?" But thats the point, would that have won the games? Not necessarily. He made the right changes at the right times and as a result he has won crucial games. So why cant you acknowledge that? And why dont you give an example of the great decisions that Ramos made, or even Martin Jol, and tell me how they're any different than the decisions Harry has made in the last month?

 

[Shanks]

Would you be happy if we ended up in the bottom half of the table, but played pretty football?

I'd rather we scraped wins through sher determination, rather than playing pretty.
Everyone has valid points, Redknapp hasn't proven himself at the very very top of the game, but I certainly feel that he deserves a chance, and he could be the person to take us to the level that we had a few seasons back, certainly to challenge the likes of Everton/Villa.

Although challenging them isn't such a disbelievable thing as it was before Harry joined us.
I like his honesty, and I like the way he keeps things simple. Regardless of the luck, we still managed to get results against some top quality opposition.

Let's see what he can do in the transfer market, and how we are fixed at the end of the season. Then give him the transfer money, the pre-season and see what he does next year.

Surely he can't be as bad as we have been for the last year...

I agree Ramos had a good footballing brain, very tactful against the bigger clubs, but he seemed to lack these tactics against the teams that are going to kick and play the long ball.

Sometimes, the good teams are the ones that win when they play badly.
So as long as the points keep coming, I'll be very happy with Redknapp to take us for the next few years.

I would actually like him to be given some time on this as well, although not sure if he will be given that time or not.
One thing harry does do well, is take the rubbish away from the players, and that is something we really needed. We all know he is the media darling, and he uses it to his advantage, which will be a great asset, one we ave not had at this club for a long long time.

You all laugh at Wengers apparent blindness, but he does it to protext his players, he may seem serious biased, but it generally works for him. Fergie does it as well.

 

[SpurSince57]

And if Bentley was poor in general, he still created over half of our scoring opportunities. The decision to play Lennon on the right suggests that Redknapp did his homework on Olsson.

 

[Coyboy]

Interesting swing this thread has taken from the excellent posts (yanno, though I don't agree with a lot of it) to the puerile 'I own you' posts. I haven't got time for another long post (everyone sighs in relief) but I will say that, for me, yanno is right that Ramos tried too much too soon and got a little lost. Butit is rather impertitient and quitzotic to believe that we should be heading for the top four now. Rednapp's job was to get us going up the league and picking up points. And I know Levy saw it as a longer term appointment and Rednapp will get his chance to take us on from there next season with players he wants and he signs. Levy has given him that chance that others never did, apart from Ashley last year which he wisely turned down. So I see two phases to Rednapp being here and phase one (survival and maybe a Cup) is going well.

Rednapp may never get us there and we may linger in mid table and then Levy will look to replace him but the alternative, for me, was that we were going down under Ramos. And even if we had escaped, which I hand on heart was doubting more and more, Ramos didn't seem to know how to get our players playing effectively or aesthetically well. That for me is the central issue, or issues.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

And if Bentley was poor in general, he still created over half of our scoring opportunities. The decision to play Lennon on the right suggests that Redknapp did his homework on Olsson.

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[Michey]

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:rofl:

Always nice with a good laugh after lunch :up:

 

[Coyboy]

Wasn't it his free kick from which Woodgate nodded over? And the Campbell one which I think you referred to.

 

[mil1lion]

Didn't he set up the Pav effort against the post aswell?

 

[PT]

And a long distance (25 yards) shot over the bar...

 

[SpurSince57]

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Five out of ten. Half exactly—I missed Corluka's. You can't go cherry-picking your stats, you know.

 

[DanDigsSpurs]

Who is Simon Clifford?
He seems very bitter towards Redknapp......

http://83.245.38.245//uk/Blogs/Simon-Clifford/11/20/Mickey-Mouse-could-have-success-at-Spurs/

 

[Hoowl]

Who is Simon Clifford?
He seems very bitter towards Redknapp......

http://83.245.38.245//uk/Blogs/Simon-Clifford/11/20/Mickey-Mouse-could-have-success-at-Spurs/

Seems like he may have an axe to grind:

"Clifford is regarded in the football industry, however, he failed to emerge onto the professional scene after being recruited by Sir Clive Woodward in December 2004, to become his assistance coach at Southampton. After falling out with the coaching establishment there he returned to his own non-league club, Garforth Town, as manager."

 

[Shanks]

Yeah I read that earlier too.

 

[DanDigsSpurs]

Surprised Setanta have allowed it TBH. They have just given him a public podium to have good ol dig. Mind you I visited their site to read it......

 

[SpurSince57]

According to his Wiki entry:

Simon Darcy Clifford is an English football coach, currently managing Garforth Town. He is a businessman known for introducing Brazilian training techniques into the UK.

Clive Woodward recruited him for Southampton, but he fell out big-time with everyone, including Redknapp, hence the obvious personal animosity. Although I don't think he can be anyone's mug, you have to take that into account.

 

[Tickers]

What a quite breathtakingly long and arse-witted load of utter guff.

 

[SpurSince57]

Well, it's pretty clear that anyone who disagrees with his notions is an idiot.

 

[gibbs131]

Lol. Bond wants to take a Tom Tit before the game tomorrow:


"We need to go there, be positive and set out our stool to win the game, although we must have respect for NEC because they've had some good results in the league."