The Managerial Merry-go-round
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panoma
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Not like Pardew would care much if they dropped down. He get a huge paycheck for managing them, then probably get sacked next year, gets his payout and then simply joining another struggling side for a new pile of cash.
It's such a joke how the same managers keep getting top jobs and how they just swap clubs all the time :/
rossdapep
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Completely agree. It's the desperation of staying in the league that causes this, even though it's inevitable these teams will go down eventually because they don't have the stability in the background.
I wish some clubs had the balls to bring in a young coach and allow them to mould the footballing side of things.
The likes of Sunderland piss me off, rinse, repeat, rinse, repeat, rinse, repeat. How about trying to change the entire culture of how things are run?
Syn_13
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It started in 2006 when TIM (Italy's equivalent of BT) illegally leaked transcripts of private telephone conversations by club officials to the Gazzetta dello Sport, Italy's major sports paper. The conversations had been gathered since 2004 through illegal wiretapping. Neither TIM nor the Gazzetta have been punished for it, albeit it's something that needed to be brought to light because of the nature of the scandal.
The initial transcripts were from calls by Luciano Moggi, Juve's managing director. He was speaking with refereeing committee members, FIGC (the Italian FA) members and other club officials. He was a devious fucker, who used his influence similarly to the way the Mafia work. Favours for friends, scratching backs. One of his tactics was to give journalists exclusive rights to Juve stories providing that they publicly slate certain referees. He was the centre of the trials, but more transcripts were leaked involving other club officials from Milan, Fiorentina, Lazio and Reggina doing similar things. All were punished with various people receiving bans. Moggi got a permanent ban whereas others got temporary ones - Lotito who owns Lazio, members of the Della Valle family who own Fiorentina, Foti who owned Reggina and Galliani who was Berlusconi's right hand man at AC Milan. All of those officials remained at their clubs after their bans except for Moggi as a result of his lifetime ban. Juve made a point of dismissing various officials afterwards to try and clean up their reputation. Whether some remain is unknown, but there's always going to be speculation given Moggi's level of involvement. Unfortunately, that reputation will never wholly recover.
Inter's involvement was very much behind the scenes, as they had incredibly close ties with both TIM and the Gazetta. In fact, there were shit loads of links between various companies involved and Inter. Carlo Buora, who was a former vice president of Inter and the then managing director at Pirelli (Inter's shirt sponsor) was on the board of directors for both TIM and the Gazzetta. A bloke called Tronchetti Provera happened to be the owner of both TIM and the shirt sponsor Pirelli. Massimo Moratti, Inter's then president, was also a director at TIM. He had obtained the transcripts from TIM before they were published and sent them to the Italian courts. They were only released in the paper after the courts dismissed them.
After the scandal broke out a guy named Guido Rossi took over as the FIGC chief. He took over because Galliani, the AC Milan vice pres had to step down from the role because of AC Milan being involved in the scandal. Rossi made Calciopoli his number one priority and oversaw the trials himself. However, there's still a conflict of interest as Rossi was a majority shareholder and former director of Inter Milan. He also conveniently took the position of president of TIM after stepping down as Italian FA chief after the Calciopoli trials.
The amount of links between Inter and the people who pushed for the trials is overwhelming. Inter's own involvement wasn't brought into light until afterwards either when Moggi's legal team were fighting the trial. They released similar calls of calls involving Moratti himself, as well as Giacinto Facchetti, a then Inter chairman who died in 2006 when the scandal broke out. I don't know how his legal team obtained the calls, certainly not from TIM as they were never published or mentioned by the Gazzetta. It still remains contentious as Inter haven't been trialed over them. Whether they're reliable, I don't know.
Despite the long post that's pretty much it in a nutshell. Well, from a Juventino's point of view, of course.
I'll totally admit my own bias, but I do honestly think there's a hell of a lot that happened behind the scenes. Too many coincidences regarding those that own Inter and the companies involved. Inter definitely profited the most, and I'm certain that they were involved just as much as anyone else. Calciopoli coming to light was both a good and bad thing. It opened a can of worms that needed opening. Moggi needed to go, certain individuals needed to be put under scrutiny, and Italy needed to wake up to what was happening behind the scenes. The problem is, it also killed the league's already waning popularity. Not as many investors, not as much interest from overseas and domestic fans. Financially, it really hurt Italian football. The league is only starting to recover now, a decade later, and that's because the likes of Roma and Napoli are making it competitive again, albeit Juve are dominating again (of which I cannot complain!). I'm wondering how long it will be when other major leagues such as the Bundesliga, La Liga and even the seemingly incorruptible Premier League (don't believe that for a second) experience their own Calciopoli.
Marty
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No that was almost three years ago, Pardew was still at Newcastle then. But that would've been interesting!
This above all is why I don't want Hull to go for Pardew. He's had his chances, now it's time for someone else to get a chance. Gary Rowett would be perfect for them since he's proved himself as a very good Championship manager.
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Syn_13
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I will be completely honest and transparent by saying thay I'm a Juve fan, thus I have a natural bias. Like asking a Spurs fan about Marton Fulop or Sir Henry Norris. My suspicions about it all being set up by Inter has never been proved, but I find the dots seem to connect nicely considering every fucker involved in it was closeley tied to Inter.
Whether Inter were also up to no good is uncertain. Moggi's evidence of Moratti and Facchetti making similar calls was only made public in 2010 during his appeal. The FIGC accepted that it pointed to wrongdoings but to this day Inter haven't been trialled, nor their free scudetto been revoked. Juve have mostly let it go because the owners also own FIAT, who happen to own Ferrarri, which is majorly sponsored by TIM, who are linked with Inter. Italian business, like its politics, is a fucking minefield. Anyway, the general consensus in Italy since 2010 is that it's very likely that Inter themselves were elbow deep in shit and that there's not many innocent parties involved. It's a fucking sad and sorry affair, and I really hope we don't see it rear its ugly head again.
nailsy
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It's ridiculous now. Clubs aren't even giving their managers a transfer window before giving them the push. Let's face it Hull are exactly where most people thought they would be at the start of the season, and they're going back down mainly because the owner messed up the transfer window.
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He has been appointed until the end of the season. Odd choice, I think. Or brave choice, at least. They are going to lose 2 players to the AFCON. Really need players in this month, hopefully (for them) the manager knows some people.
Oh, and we have them on the last day of the season.
Where did Flores go? Still baffled that Watford sacked him after last season. He'd do well at Saints, IMO.
Edit: Just saw he went to Espanyol. Scratch him off Saints list I guess
Sweech
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Flores was touting himself all over Europe and wanted to leave.
Sweech
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Personally I think Puel should stay. Southampton really haven't been all that bad.
Not to mention the club philosophy is a little unsustainable with selling your best players each year and losing your manager every other. Then there's having players like Fonte request to leave halfway through is tough as well.
Some managers would probably have them fighting relegation, so in the current climate I think Puel needs more time.
The real one who needs some criticism is Mazzari. Watford are absolutely dire and are by far the most boring to watch team in this league.
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I forgot about Mazzari actually. He should be gone soon too.
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