The ousting of Daniel (COYS)

[chas vs dave]

a different direction on the cockpointing compass

I'll have you know that my cock points in the right direction.

 

[Albertbarich]

I'll have you know that my cock points in the right direction.

To the left, to the left?

 

[For the love of Spurs]

No one is denying that mistakes haven't been made along the way, but over that whole time period you have covered, we have had a massive upwards trajectory. Previously it was only Aston Villa that were considered as challengers to the top 4. its now a top 6, because of Man City (oil money) and Us. We need to push on and continue on the path that we are on. As i have said, mistakes have been made, but the strides forward greatly outweigh them.

yes but that trajectory has been driven by mainly 3 appointments, Jol, Redknapp and mostly Poch. All 3 where accident or emergency appointments. We have been lucky that our rivals like Everton, Villa, West Ham etc have been so badly run over the past 1-2 decades space has appeared for us to tag at the bottom end of the top but we have never shown anything to really move on to the next level or get anything more than a Carling Cup.

ENIC have grown the asset and infrastructure but they don’t know how to plan a vision of the football. That is the problem and that is why they can’t take us forward unless they change or leave. They have lifted us one-two levels from Sugar but we have hit a wall. We need new ideas and a fresh approach.

 

[Stamford]

My complaints would decrease significantly if they just lowered the price of tickets. You can't charge the highest prices and not challenge for the title. It's a nonsense

 

[spursfan77]

Reading a whole load of the comments under the Athletic’s article on the club’s response and it seems there’s loads of fans who are really happy with them. 75% I would say. I’m assuming they must be foreign based fans who don’t pay a fortune to go to games.

 

[spursfan77]

A lot of this is just impatience though. The club have appointed a DOF who knows how to build high level winning teams. A manager who knows how to coach them to win titles. Both have repeatedly said we need time and patience to build that side - adding 2-3 quality players per window.

They have both been here just over a year. In that time the club have consistently made signings. We have one of the biggest net spends in europe.

Yes we all want every single gap in the squad/team solved in one transfer window but that's just wholly unrealistic. The question you have to ask yourself is: is this squad better than the one Paratici inherited? The answer is yes every single time. We've strengthened midfield, wingback, added attacking depth, and a top quality defender in Romero.

A couple more windows and I don't think anyone can dispute that the squad will be in a really good position to challenge. This is how Arsenal did it and previously Liverpool. They are realistic, sustainable models that we have to follow. Forget about teams owned by nation states or Chelscum.

I can see the plan. We just need patience.

We are the most patient fans in the league. As for Conte & paratici I get what you’re saying but they might both be gone in 6 months time.

 

[ZiggySpurs]

Reading a whole load of the comments under the Athletic’s article on the club’s response and it seems there’s loads of fans who are really happy with them. 75% I would say. I’m assuming they must be foreign based fans who don’t pay a fortune to go to games.

Same on Reddit, most of the highest rated comments are commending the statement.

 

[BorjeSpurs]

Reading a whole load of the comments under the Athletic’s article on the club’s response and it seems there’s loads of fans who are really happy with them. 75% I would say. I’m assuming they must be foreign based fans who don’t pay a fortune to go to games.

Foreign fan here ?‍

Thousands of foreign fans pay more than UK fans simply because they have to pay extra for flights, hotels etc, to support the club they love.

Just because you've find a volume of opposing views doesn't mean there has to be a fundamental reason behind it, other than that they feel differently on the topic.

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

We are the most patient fans in the league. As for Conte & paratici I get what you’re saying but they might both be gone in 6 months time.

I agree, but it's important we continue to be. The fact is ENIC started from behind the rest of the elite clubs when they took over - Arsenal, Man U, Liverpool had commercial revenues that seemed out of reach to us, and then Man City and Chelsea won the lottery. We had to be patient to build the infrastructure to allow us the revenue to compete.

Mistakes have been made along the way but many of them really come down to not having similar level finances to our rivals - who incidentally weren't are 'rivals' until we made progress under ENIC. Previously to that it was Everton, Aston Villa, etc. - since we have moved into the stadium we have considerably upped our net spend. Employed a DOF who by all accounts has conducted a thorough review of all operations and restructured a lot of departments behind the scenes to bring it in line with the elite clubs. Now we have to give it more than a year for all these changes to start taking shape.

I have said in other threads that it is essential either Conte or Paratici (hopefully both) stay beyond the summer as I feel if we carry on our current trajectory we will see success in the next 2-3 seasons.

 

[Spursfan1414]

Reading a whole load of the comments under the Athletic’s article on the club’s response and it seems there’s loads of fans who are really happy with them. 75% I would say. I’m assuming they must be foreign based fans who don’t pay a fortune to go to games.

This place isn't even close to representative of the wider fan base. There's always been a culture of shitting on ENIC/Levy on here that's far more venomous than you see elsewhere, even when things have been good. Look at the response on Reddit to this statement, it's almost the polar opposite of here.

And it's nothing to do with the foreign vs season ticket split, I'm a season ticket holder and do not relate to about 90% of the complaints about our ownership on here tbh.

At least half the complaints are some variation of "Conte not been backed" or "we don't spend enough". I'm glad the club hasn't bothered to pander to people with those views tbh because I agree with them that that's just not true. Since the stadium opened we've spent the 5th most money in the league. We're one of the top 10 richest clubs in the world but so are 5 other PL teams, with another owned by an oil/gas state on top for good measure. I see a lot of people who are completely outraged here, I don't see any actually engaging on a factual level about what we've spent since the stadium opened and why they think it should be more, other than the fact that we don't have a title winning squad right now. But that's not how football or finances work, wanting a team at a certain level does not mean that you can or should just go out and spend what's required to get there.

I think there's plenty of valid criticisms of Levy and ENIC but I rarely see them actually made and they certainly haven't been made by the Trust in what they've put to the Board. And actually, of the criticism I have had, I think a lot has improved since Paratici came through the door.

Appreciate that some of this probably comes of as condescending or inflammatory but this place is a real echo chamber for anti-ENIC stuff at times and I suspect a lot of people are going to continue to be surprised at where the balance of opinion is in other Spurs communities.

 

[spursfan77]

This place isn't even close to representative of the wider fan base. There's always been a culture of shitting on ENIC/Levy on here that's far more venomous than you see elsewhere, even when things have been good. Look at the response on Reddit to this statement, it's almost the polar opposite of here.

And it's nothing to do with the foreign vs season ticket split, I'm a season ticket holder and do not relate to about 90% of the complaints about our ownership on here tbh.

At least half the complaints are some variation of "Conte not been backed" or "we don't spend enough". I'm glad the club hasn't bothered to pander to people with those views tbh because I agree with them that that's just not true. Since the stadium opened we've spent the 5th most money in the league. We're one of the top 10 richest clubs in the world but so are 5 other PL teams, with another owned by an oil/gas state on top for good measure. I see a lot of people who are completely outraged here, I don't see any actually engaging on a factual level about what we've spent since the stadium opened and why they think it should be more, other than the fact that we don't have a title winning squad right now. But that's not how football or finances work, wanting a team at a certain level does not mean that you can or should just go out and spend what's required to get there.

I think there's plenty of valid criticisms of Levy and ENIC but I rarely see them actually made and they certainly haven't been made by the Trust in what they've put to the Board. And actually, of the criticism I have had, I think a lot has improved since Paratici came through the door.

Appreciate that some of this probably comes of as condescending or inflammatory but this place is a real echo chamber for anti-ENIC stuff at times and I suspect a lot of people are going to continue to be surprised at where the balance of opinion is in other Spurs communities.

It’s the same on every other forum as it is on here so I don’t think that’s accurate.

 

[Nerine]

I'll have you know that my cock points in the right direction.

Use your left hand for a bit.

 

[Stamford]

It’s the same on every other forum as it is on here so I don’t think that’s accurate.

there are also loud ENIC and levy our chants at games now. You can't put this down to a loud minority on here. We're well past that point

 

[Spursfan1414]

It’s the same on every other forum as it is on here so I don’t think that’s accurate.

Not the same on the Athletic, not the same on Reddit (which is 3-4x bigger than here), not the same on large areas of Twitter.

I'm not saying all of those places are staunchly ENIC in but they're nowhere near the almost total ENIC out consensus that there is on here.

 

[SirHarryHotspur]

there are also loud ENIC and levy our chants at games now. You can't put this down to a loud minority on here. We're well past that point

No anti ENIC chanting where I sit in the stadium and very little booing at end of games when we lose, most of which seems to emanate from the south stand. Conte's first home game when boos greeted half time came mainly from south stand , season ticket holders around me were pretty disgusted at the so called fans.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

This place isn't even close to representative of the wider fan base. There's always been a culture of shitting on ENIC/Levy on here that's far more venomous than you see elsewhere, even when things have been good. Look at the response on Reddit to this statement, it's almost the polar opposite of here.

And it's nothing to do with the foreign vs season ticket split, I'm a season ticket holder and do not relate to about 90% of the complaints about our ownership on here tbh.

At least half the complaints are some variation of "Conte not been backed" or "we don't spend enough". I'm glad the club hasn't bothered to pander to people with those views tbh because I agree with them that that's just not true. Since the stadium opened we've spent the 5th most money in the league. We're one of the top 10 richest clubs in the world but so are 5 other PL teams, with another owned by an oil/gas state on top for good measure. I see a lot of people who are completely outraged here, I don't see any actually engaging on a factual level about what we've spent since the stadium opened and why they think it should be more, other than the fact that we don't have a title winning squad right now. But that's not how football or finances work, wanting a team at a certain level does not mean that you can or should just go out and spend what's required to get there.

I think there's plenty of valid criticisms of Levy and ENIC but I rarely see them actually made and they certainly haven't been made by the Trust in what they've put to the Board. And actually, of the criticism I have had, I think a lot has improved since Paratici came through the door.

Appreciate that some of this probably comes of as condescending or inflammatory but this place is a real echo chamber for anti-ENIC stuff at times and I suspect a lot of people are going to continue to be surprised at where the balance of opinion is in other Spurs communities.

Member since 2015 So your experience of 'always' is eight years and i'd argue that the first three or four years, if not longer, it wasn't anywhere near like this.

Going further back, SC was Levy-love central. Big time.

 

[TwoSaintsComeMarching]

Levy is the best thing that has happened to this club since Bill Nic.
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[Archibald&Crooks]

Levy is the best thing that has happened to this club since Bill Nic.
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Look, if you're going to come on here under the influence of some sort of industrial strength solvent it isn't going to end well

 

[jurgen11]

Levy is the best thing that has happened to this club since Bill Nic.
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Absofuckinglutely..one gave us the double ...the other gave us Beetroot Burgers - LEGENDS !

 

[nidge]

Member since 2015 So your experience of 'always' is eight years and i'd argue that the first three or four years, if not longer, it wasn't anywhere near like this.

Going further back, SC was Levy-love central. Big time.

Yeah before the transfer windows where we bought no one the ENIC out sentiment was a very small minority.

Only towards the end of Pochettino's time has the sentiment on here changed significantly and that has been a slow build to where we are today.