The reality of no European football

[Phil_2.0]

Chelsea used to get away with it for years - seemed particularly good at fetching big transfer fees from China, and I remember Klopp managing to get way over the odds for some of the deadwood he inherited like Benteke, Sakho and Ibe.

It's about being in the right place at the right time though. Someone like Lo Celso might fetch a good fee given his relationship with Emery and his explots for Argentina, but it'll be a small handful of clubs who might also have other options. Whereas I can't see anyone paying for Winks or Ndombele even though they've probably been better players for us overall.

It's also the image a club has, Liverpool got big fees for some of these players because Klopp made them all look good. When we were flying under Poch we cashed in on a few players (nowhere near enough).

I think the value for top 6 clubs in selling players is getting some good youth players, identifying that they aren't good enough for your first team quickly and being prepared to sell them at 21-22

Man City got good money for Lavia and Bazunu. I remember Liverpool got good money for Ibe, Rhian Brewster, Grujic, Hoever etc.

I mean Skipp might be one of our top sellable assets right now, maybe some fans won't want to hear it but if Spurs don't think hes good enough they should probably look to sell him now. We missed our chance when cashing in with Dier, Alli, Rose and Winks and we are a worse squad because of it.

Teams won't want to buy players if they are no good, we might actually have to sell someone who is quite good to get some money in and clear the squad.

 

[Japhet]

Didn't address the issues? Most hated Emerson, Spence wasn't going to be given minutes and Doherty wasn't up to it. We needed a proper RWB and in recent games he has shown going forward what a proper attacking fullback can do.

Also why bring in players before a manager? So we can have more Spence situations where the manager doesn't want to use someone he didn't ask for?

DOF or manager first, then the other then player business. That's how it should be.

I don't think many managers would be as petulant and childish about the Spence scenario as Conte was.

 

[anydange]

The reality is that no European football is exactly what this club and players (sans Kane) deserve. Top to bottom they have failed.

I hope Levy, ENIC and the board take a massive financial hit because that’s the only way any of those absolute imbeciles will change*


*wishful thinking I know…

 

[Mackan110]

I'm one of the fans that are happy we missed all European tournaments. I understand Levy will push the "we have to sell before buy" and I don't care because seriously, does Levy act different when we was in CL?

I hope we can get rid of a lot of players and start over with players that are hungry and want to win. We probably won't be able to get rid of players (like always) and the new manager (mason?) Is forced to play ndombele, winks etc when they are back from loan's.

And if/when Kane leave this summer we are lucky if we dont have to fight to stay in PL...

Anyway, guess Levy is happy because didn't he just give himself a pay raise ? (Think i saw that somewhere)

 

[kent brockman]

With no Europe, we can at least focus on new signings to improve the starting XI and less on squad depth.
Whereas we certainly need a reboot, a quality GK and LCB would likely improve us quite a bit IMO.
Question is of course if we can afford even that, on top of the fees for Kulu/Porro…

 

[teddy_sheringham_125]

I wouldn’t actually be that bothered if we don’t add loads over the summer, as long as we focus entirely on one world class centre back, and a brilliant play making midfielder. Shift as much of the dead wood as possible, and bring in a manager with vision, and I think we could be a great team quite quickly. Unfortunately, none of that will happen.

 

[Trix]

I don't think many managers would be as petulant and childish about the Spence scenario as Conte was.

Perhaps he saw the future and tried to change it. Asks for specific players in certain positions gets something completely different because it was seen as a good deal.

You can say it's childish and petulant but setting a precedent like that with Levy is something any top manager would kick back against.

 

[ukdy]

It's never good being 'out' of European competition, but until we have a squad that is in the vicinity of capable, then we jeopardise the results we get in the other 3 competitions. We all want to be doing well in all 4 competitions... but if being in Europe means we are poor in the other 3 what is the point..? A tiny bit of Conference League Money, coefficient points, and Thursday-Sunday football?

& even this season being in the CL, we hardly pulled up any trees and gave it our primary focus.

 

[journeyman]

I’d be ok with a smaller squad if we make smart signings only:

Rebuild XI

———————Raya
Emerson—Romero—Laporte—Udogie
——-—Bissouma—Bentancur
Kulusevski—Maddison--Richarlison
———————Kane

Reserve

——————Forster
Spence—Dier—Lenglet—Davies
—————Sarr—Skipp
——Porro——Lo Celso——Gil
———————Son

Plus: Austin

Sell/Release: Lloris, Sanchez, Sessegnon, Tanganga, Hojbjerg, Perisic, White, Lucas, Danjuma, Ndombele, Reguilon, Rodon, Winks, Parrott

Loan: Scarlett, Devine

 

[Japhet]

Perhaps he saw the future and tried to change it. Asks for specific players in certain positions gets something completely different because it was seen as a good deal.

You can say it's childish and petulant but setting a precedent like that with Levy is something any top manager would kick back against.

I don't think seeing the future was one of Conte's skills. If it was, he would have recognized that doing the same thing over and over and getting the same results wasn't a good idea. He steadfastly refused to change a single thing.

 

[kent brockman]

I’d be ok with a smaller squad if we make smart signings only:

Rebuild XI

———————Raya
Emerson—Romero—Laporte—Udogie
——-—Bissouma—Bentancur
Kulusevski—Maddison--Richarlison
———————Kane

Reserve

——————Forster
Spence—Dier—Lenglet—Davies
—————Sarr—Skipp
——Porro——Lo Celso——Gil
———————Son

Plus: Austin

Sell/Release: Lloris, Sanchez, Sessegnon, Tanganga, Hojbjerg, Perisic, White, Lucas, Danjuma, Ndombele, Reguilon, Rodon, Winks, Parrott

Loan: Scarlett, Devine

I would be over the moon if we managed to sign Raya, Laporte and Maddison.
However, that would likely cost at least 100m, on top of our outstanding fees for Kulu and Porro.
So I fear that our incomings may primarily be loans, Bosmans, and/or bargain basement.
Hopefully we can unearth a couple of under the radar gems if we get our data analytics up and running.

 

[djhotspur]

I would be over the moon if we managed to sign Raya, Laporte and Maddison.
However, that would likely cost at least 100m, on top of our outstanding fees for Kulu and Porro.
So I fear that our incomings may primarily be loans, Bosmans, and/or bargain basement.
Hopefully we can unearth a couple of under the radar gems if we get our data analytics up and running.

So would we all. But it won’t happen as those players won’t wait around until the end of the transfer window when we might have money due to moving on 14 players

 

[kent brockman]

So would we all. But it won’t happen as those players won’t wait around until the end of the transfer window when we might have money due to moving on 14 players

Which also was my point.

 

[Bobbins]

The reality is that this makes no difference.

Our squad needed a complete fire sale regardless of whether we got into the Conference League or not. We don't have a manager or a DoF so the idea of buying players should be miles off the radar until those positions are sorted, but the usual suspects will need selling no matter who comes in, so we may as well get on with it and make the tough decisions (cancelling contracts) sooner rather than later.

We don't need vast numbers of purchases - just a handful of key positions of quality.

In the long run, no European football to worry about will be a massive boon to the incoming coach and hopefully much smaller, tighter-knit squad we end up with. It's been proven time and time again with Arsenal, Chelsea and other clubs hugely benefitting in terms of league and domestic cup success when they've had a break.

 

[npearl4spurs]

Unthinkable in middle of the year to finish as low as 8th.

Not really though brother. Many of us were sounding the alarms and knew the free-fall would happen when things went sour with Antonio

 

[Snarfalicious]

We’ve been desperate for a fire sale for what feels like 3 summers. Maybe we are forced to do it now from a financial perspective and if that’s the case, good. In the end I think having no European football is better with a new manager, especially if the search is going to continue to drag on. We need a purge, and however that happens I’m fine with it. Buy young talent with whatever can be reinvested, start a cycle with a manager who will play and promote youth and understand the next year or so our ceiling is the Europa League and hopefully a deep run in the FA/League Cups.

 

[npearl4spurs]

Just going to be a fight to be relevant again and not a banter club.

 

[WiganSpur]

If he'd be willing to accept a mutual termination I wouldn't mind us cancelling Hugo's contract with a fancy send off friendly. And that's something I can see.

Perisic & Dier I think we're likely stuck with.

PEH, Gil, Son, GLC, Emerson/Porro, Sessegnon all players we could get decent money for.

Lenglet and Danjuma are players we can't really keep right now considering the squad numbers.

Winks, Ndombele, Rodon & Reguilon I think will either leave on loan or will have contracts ripped up. But I think there's a world where Reguilon stays.

I think Sanchez will leave in some capacity on the hunt for some regular football.

I reckon we'll be left with something like this:

New keeper, Forster
Romero, Dier, Davies, New CB, Tanganga, Udogie, Spence, Porro/Emerson
Sarr, Skipp, Bentancur, Bissouma
Son, Kulu, Richy, Kane, Perisic

I'd take that at this stage providing the keeper and CB are good, but an AM would be nice on top.

 

[CookieYiddo]

8th spot would likely get us Conference League next year

 

[Albertbarich]

City showed this year you don't need a massive squad as much as you need a squad full of players with similar quality.

Conte point blank refused to rotate which didn't work as when they came in they weren't fresh, they were cold.

If we can have a squad of around 20 who all play on a regular basis then it should lessen fatigue and injury whilst keeping everyone on their toes and in form