The Spurs Youth Thread – 2016/2017

[BC11]

Iirc signed all three brothers from Luton

Yeah, Rio (Cole's twin) was released at U15 level.

 

[Cornpattbuck]

Amazed to see nowt here about a hugely proud moment.

Slightly tipsy prediction: Harry Winks will be become a regular by the end of this season*. There's something about the lad.

* Presuming Eriksen continues to play like Gary Doherty.

 

[beats1]

Amazed to see nowt here about a hugely proud moment.

Slightly tipsy prediction: Harry Winks will be become a regular by the end of this season*. There's something about the lad.

* Presuming Eriksen continues to play like Gary Doherty.

I just hope is given his chance, I suggested he should come on during the bournemouth match and got told only a fucking imbecile would bring on an inexperienced player with hardly no pl experience during a tight match, and that thankfully poch isn't a fucking imbecile.

That post got a lot of winners and agrees yet no replied back when I pointed out Poch did this before with Onomah in tight situations before, including once this season

So today we have a player with 7 mins of Pl experience and he starts his first PL game and ends up with a goal and outshining some of his more experienced peers and puts in a motm performance

 

[alexis]

Just think we need a team of academy product all called Harry

 

[IGSpur]

Amazed to see nowt here about a hugely proud moment.

Slightly tipsy prediction: Harry Winks will be become a regular by the end of this season*. There's something about the lad.

* Presuming Eriksen continues to play like Gary Doherty.

I was at the game and other than Kane's winner was easily the most I've celebrated someone scoring live before. I was so pleased for him its unreal. I think this is long overdue but glad he has finally got the chance he has deserved as he's been ready for a while now. Just hope he gets as much rope as other players. Didn't score many goals at youth level but found himself in the right place ther, but then again never played as far forward.

Was also great seeing CCV jump in with him. As you say another proud moment watching him. I wouldn't be surprise dif he became a regular he has plenty of ability, it just depends on where his ceiling is. I think he has a high ceiling. While he doens't have Carroll's creativity or wow moments he has more spunk than Carroll and mobility etc which I think will stand him in good stead and that goal should give him loads of confidence. Always good seeing someone you've wanted to get a chance pay off, and his reaction at the end was brilliant.

. I don't think it's a coincidence that Winks had his best game surrounded by first teamers, with significant minutes basically in his favourite position. All of a sudden he is MOTM in a derby. Just need to see Onomah play remotely near his favourite position and get more than 4 mins here and there, and we might see the best of him. It also seems like the introduction of the academy player has helped turnaround our stale form, similar to when Mason et al came in against Stoke. Hopefully we can see another similar affect with the added enthusiasm he'll bring

 

[IGSpur]

@edson did you watch the u18s on Saturday?

 

[EQP]

I was at the game and other than Kane's winner was easily the most I've celebrated someone scoring live before. I was so pleased for him its unreal. I think this is long overdue but glad he has finally got the chance he has deserved as he's been ready for a while now. Just hope he gets as much rope as other players. Didn't score many goals at youth level but found himself in the right place ther, but then again never played as far forward.

Was also great seeing CCV jump in with him. As you say another proud moment watching him. I wouldn't be surprise dif he became a regular he has plenty of ability, it just depends on where his ceiling is. I think he has a high ceiling. While he doens't have Carroll's creativity or wow moments he has more spunk than Carroll and mobility etc which I think will stand him in good stead and that goal should give him loads of confidence. Always good seeing someone you've wanted to get a chance pay off, and his reaction at the end was brilliant.

. I don't think it's a coincidence that Winks had his best game surrounded by first teamers, with significant minutes basically in his favourite position. All of a sudden he is MOTM in a derby. Just need to see Onomah play remotely near his favourite position and get more than 4 mins here and there, and we might see the best of him. It also seems like the introduction of the academy player has helped turnaround our stale form, similar to when Mason et al came in against Stoke. Hopefully we can see another similar affect with the added enthusiasm he'll bring

We already have the 4141 formation that would suit Onomah and Winks as the CM pair with Dier./Wanyama shielding the back.

 

[Blake Griffin]

I don't think it's a coincidence that Winks had his best game surrounded by first teamers, with significant minutes basically in his favourite position. All of a sudden he is MOTM in a derby. Just need to see Onomah play remotely near his favourite position and get more than 4 mins here and there, and we might see the best of him

i feel like pulling my hair out at some of the onomah comments i really do. maybe in some alternate universe where winks is getting scratch minutes and being asked to play like aaron lennon there are spurs fans saying they "don't see it" with him instead.

 

[DEFchenkOE]

i feel like pulling my hair out at some of the onomah comments i really do. maybe in some alternate universe where winks is getting scratch minutes and being asked to play like aaron lennon there are spurs fans saying they "don't see it" with him instead.

Maybe Onomah needs a loan then to get minutes in his best position, I'm sure he could get a top half championship club. I know he shouldn't be played on the right but where do you think his best position is? I think he'd be decent as one of the advanced central midfielders in the 4141 we've played at times but I dont see him getting opportunities above the current players like Alli, Dembele or even Winks unless we have major injuries.

 

[FreddieYid]

Maybe Onomah needs a loan then to get minutes in his best position, I'm sure he could get a top half championship club. I know he shouldn't be played on the right but where do you think his best position is? I think he'd be decent as one of the advanced central midfielders in the 4141 we've played at times but I dont see him getting opportunities above the current players like Alli, Dembele or even Winks unless we have major injuries.

I've read that he feels his best position is as a number 10, however I think he's an 8 and is best suited playing centrally but a little deeper. I agree with you that he needs a loan, he's clearly behind Winks and even Carroll when it comes to playing in the middle given that he never does. A footballing championship club would be ideal to give him some minutes and experience.

Although I have to admit, currently I'm not convinced by him.

 

[Goldman]

Looks like the U19 game is not on BT Sport today? Can only see Leicester's game listed...

 

[danielneeds]

i feel like pulling my hair out at some of the onomah comments i really do. maybe in some alternate universe where winks is getting scratch minutes and being asked to play like aaron lennon there are spurs fans saying they "don't see it" with him instead.

I think the problem for a lot of fans who don't watch youth football is with Winks you can see straight away what type of player he is - small, light on his feet, changes direction well, pops the ball about, a kind of mini-Modric in the midfield. Even the most uneducated footballing connoisseur can get it.

With Onomah, it's not that obvious. He's big and powerful, with his upright running style, but then he doesn't seem particularly nimble running with the ball, and has had a tendency to tred on the ball and not sort his feet out. I can understand why some people question what kind of player he is. Yes, he hasn't played as a deeper midfielder yet, where he's shone for the youth sides, so he still needs time to show what he can do.

 

[Knarf44]

With Onomah I think he should be watching and studying Pogba. I'm not saying he'll ever reach that level but just that he needs to add more to his game especially his spatial awareness, anticipation and decision making. He's not going to improve quickly enough for most if he stays on the fringes on the first team. He needs game time so the Club should be doing its utmost to get him a decent loan with a Manager who'll give him that opportunity.

 

[Blake Griffin]

@DEFchenkOE @FreddieYid @danielneeds

in terms of winks vs onomah, they both do their best work in similar areas of the pitch but they're different kind of players. winks has always been the consistent 7 or 8/10 guy, you pretty much know what you're going to get from him every game, josh is more up and down but his highs are higher than winks', when he's on it he can be hands-down the best player on the field capable of dominating games on his own. i said before when talking about the possibility of the two going out on loan that with winks you can pretty much just drop him anywhere and he'll do well whereas with josh we'd need to be more careful. winks is wiser and more mature in his play - perhaps in part due to him being a year and a bit older - whilst josh is a bit green in comparison. i have no problem at all with fans saying they don't really get it with josh yet whilst also acknowledging that he needs time, it's those falling over themselves to write him off that really bug me. it's also annoying that the opinions of youth watchers and youth coaches(club and country) who all speak highly of him are dismissed because in a handful of games out of position and in mash-mash sides he hasn't torn it up yet, at the age of 19.

lest we forget that onomah was being integrated into the squad at the age of 17 and at 18 he was given a four year contract to ward off the interest of other big clubs, spurs don't do that for any old chump, he's a big talent who we haven't seen anywhere near the best of in the 1st team yet. as for the possibility of him going out on loan, i would be for it personally but i think it's very unlikely given the way poch works.

 

[Shea]

@DEFchenkOE @FreddieYid @danielneeds

in terms of winks vs onomah, they both do their best work in similar areas of the pitch but they're different kind of players. winks has always been the consistent 7 or 8/10 guy, you pretty much know what you're going to get from him every game, josh is more up and down but his highs are higher than winks', when he's on it he can be hands-down the best player on the field capable of dominating games on his own. i said before when talking about the possibility of the two going out on loan that with winks you can pretty much just drop him anywhere and he'll do well whereas with josh we'd need to be more careful. winks is wiser and more mature in his play - perhaps in part due to him being a year and a bit older - whilst josh is a bit green in comparison. i have no problem at all with fans saying they don't really get it with josh yet whilst also acknowledging that he needs time, it's those falling over themselves to write him off that really bug me. it's also annoying that the opinions of youth watchers and youth coaches(club and country) who all speak highly of him are dismissed because in a handful of games out of position and in mash-mash sides he hasn't torn it up yet, at the age of 19.

lest we forget that onomah was being integrated into the squad at the age of 17 and at 18 he was given a four year contract to ward off the interest of other big clubs, spurs don't do that for any old chump, he's a big talent who we haven't seen anywhere near the best of in the 1st team yet. as for the possibility of him going out on loan, i would be for it personally but i think it's very unlikely given the way poch works.

How would Onomah best fit in to our first team currently

If he was guaranteed a starting role in his most effective position and the rest of the team built around him how would you line us up to get the best out of him and what would he bring to the table (I mean what are his biggest qualities on the field when at his best? his he a box to box? goal scorer? chance creator? destroy? Jack of all trades? ) for us who've only seen his occasional first team performance he's hard to assess

 

[chrisd2k]

Problem with Josh is he falles over a lot, seems to struggle with his feet, and almost looks very nervous. He is fairly tall but is very easily shrugged off the ball.

He really needs to work on his strength and also needs to bring a bit of arrogance to his mentality

 

[chrisd2k]

How would Onomah best fit in to our first team currently

If he was guaranteed a starting role in his most effective position and the rest of the team built around him how would you line us up to get the best out of him and what would he bring to the table (I mean what are his biggest qualities on the field when at his best? his he a box to box? goal scorer? chance creator? destroy? Jack of all trades? ) for us who've only seen his occasional first team performance he's hard to assess

Most would say 10 or CM. Problem is although he has improved with his shooting it still isnt good enough to play 10, and I just dont think hes strong enough to play in a CM 2. CM3 would probably be the best bet but then who do you drop?

 

[Blake Griffin]

How would Onomah best fit in to our first team currently

If he was guaranteed a starting role in his most effective position and the rest of the team built around him how would you line us up to get the best out of him and what would he bring to the table (I mean what are his biggest qualities on the field when at his best? his he a box to box? goal scorer? chance creator? destroy? Jack of all trades? ) for us who've only seen his occasional first team performance he's hard to assess

similar to dembele but he's capable of moving the ball quicker and with a bit more intent, obviously he's not there yet but if one player was to miss out then it would be him. short term in a 4141/433, long term with a bit of work in a 4231 - he already plays there for england so at least he's getting some game time in that role, albeit not much in the grand scheme of things.

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[Blake Griffin]

Problem with Josh is he falles over a lot, seems to struggle with his feet, and almost looks very nervous. He is fairly tall but is very easily shrugged off the ball.

He really needs to work on his strength and also needs to bring a bit of arrogance to his mentality

the falling over thing is true but also weird because he doesn't at all do that at youth level. it could be nerves but i think because of the role he's often asked to play here(which he quite literally has never played before) he's overthinking what he needs to do and gets himself in a tangle. he has shown some good bits of play at times, even in the liverpool game where he was getting slaughtered there were a couple of times he picked the ball up deep, dropped a shoulder and left players behind him, it's just when he gets into the final third that it starts to fall apart for him.

strength as you say is also something he needs to work on, he's bigger than winks but for his size he's not as robust yet.

 

[mpickard2087]

I think its fair to say though that Winks reads the game better and just has a better instinct for the game than Onomah. I remember making this point even a couple of seasons ago and that I thought Winks had a better chance of breaking through the earlier of the two because of it.

As an example, and I know its only single moments for each and very limited, compare Winks at the weekend nicking the ball back and then when the ball gets moved to the flank he gambles and makes his way into the box and gets rewarded. By contrast in the League Cup game against Liverpool there was a point in the game where the ball gets crossed from the left and goes all the way across the box through vacant space. Onomah at this point was still stood way outside the corner of the box on the right just watching the play as if he was sat in the stand (its one of the things that used to infuriate me about Townsend too, but that's a different story) when if he anticipates the scenario and runs in towards the back stick he has a great chance to score a big goal and make a name for himself.

Onomah I think its a case of waiting for him to physically reach that optimum level, much like what happened to Kane. A loan move after Xmas to aid both this and the mental/decision making side of things is probably the way forward for him.