The Spurs Youth Thread - 2017/2018

[Anuth]

our U17 just started

9th place match

 

[TottenhamLegend]

I think today's draw means we need Porto vs Bayern to be a draw in order to progress to the quarter finals. We're currently the 2nd best runner up with just that one game to play (best 2 qualify) but both Porto and Bayern are just one point behind us with a game to play, so if either win, they go through. We have a better GD than both of those teams so would progress if it's a draw.

That game is being played tomorrow at 7pm.

 

[mpickard2087]

Ever since John McDermott came in, nothing has changed training wise. Up to this day he still practices what Chris Ramsay put in place when he was in charge which I think is outdated compared to what academies are doing today. It's boring to watch trust me. I've been watching these boys for the past 7 years and it seems like every season is more or less the same repetitive drills. Defence doesn't really get worked on (tackling, positioning, offside traps), working on the boys fitness is another thing that is not really worked on and that's where you find some parents taking their kids to lea valley to gain extra fitness on our off days. Every Saturday/Sunday it's the same thing. We play the more attractive football than the opponents but yet unless it's a Cat 3 team, we always seem to ship in easy goals and same mistakes which does frustrate parents and kids. When on tour at u9s, we spoke to an Ajax coach and he said development and a winning mentality is a MUST. They don't tend to release kids at 9,10,11,12,13,14 and 15 as when they recruit them at a young age, they want to give the chosen kids proper development (Academies over here should try it). Another thing about the academy is the recruitment of players. What you will find is most players here already and the one being recruited are all very similar. Most of the boys are all natural midfielders or wingers, but are made to be played in different roles. It's frustrating. To me it's very clear why our highly rated youngsters don't get a 10 minute run around in a pointless Prem or CL game. To make this academy more successful, it has got to scrap Ramsays ethos and maybe let Poch draw up a new plan.

Interesting stuff.

Personally my issue wouldn't be on doing the same drills and focusing on technical skills. I'd be all for that as I'm very much of the total football/Ajax/Barca way of thinking. To get to that level it is on paper boring stuff - practice, practice, practice and 1000's of hours logged until both technical skills and the tactical frameworks, positional and pattern play etc, is damn near natural. To go back to my first post - whether this coaching/teaching of it could be improved, whether we can go from 'good' to very good', whether we can be really radical, is the question for me. So I could get on board with your suggestion of fresh ideas/thinking.

I can't agree though that Poch should come up with the plans. I've spoken about it before, including one huge post a couple of years ago, about my outlook on the structure of a club... For me Poch is here to coach the first team. He/manager shouldn't be allowed to make changes to the whole fabric of the club, because what happens after a few years when they leave, next one comes in, does it all change again? Ideally for me there would be some wise head as like Technical Director, tasked with making sure that the philosophies of the club at all levels are adhered to and all aspects - development of players, coaching, tactics and way of playing, scouting, medical/fitness/sports science etc etc - are the best they can be, and so there is stability and a long term build. Sort of a massively expanded McDermott role basically.

 

[coys200]

Only watched bits of U17 but like the look of Muir , might have just been his hair lol but looks very composed. Makuede was pretty disappointing after a good cameo in 1st game.lloyd- Bennett consistently looks dangerous.

 

[N174EVA]

Interesting stuff.

Personally my issue wouldn't be on doing the same drills and focusing on technical skills. I'd be all for that as I'm very much of the total football/Ajax/Barca way of thinking. To get to that level it is on paper boring stuff - practice, practice, practice and 1000's of hours logged until both technical skills and the tactical frameworks, positional and pattern play etc, is damn near natural. To go back to my first post - whether this coaching/teaching of it could be improved, whether we can go from 'good' to very good', whether we can be really radical, is the question for me. So I could get on board with your suggestion of fresh ideas/thinking.

I can't agree though that Poch should come up with the plans. I've spoken about it before, including one huge post a couple of years ago, about my outlook on the structure of a club... For me Poch is here to coach the first team. He/manager shouldn't be allowed to make changes to the whole fabric of the club, because what happens after a few years when they leave, next one comes in, does it all change again? Ideally for me there would be some wise head as like Technical Director, tasked with making sure that the philosophies of the club at all levels are adhered to and all aspects - development of players, coaching, tactics and way of playing, scouting, medical/fitness/sports science etc etc - are the best they can be, and so there is stability and a long term build. Sort of a massively expanded McDermott role basically.

Hoddle would be a great choice in my eyes

 

[Spurzinho]

Anyone got a line up for the U17 game, video cuts in after the kick off.

 

[Hengy1]

From today’s press conference >

With all the injuries you have will young players like Tashan Oakley-Boothe play?

Yes I think Tashan will be involved in the squad. I was watching the first half of the U23s today and maybe we are going to pick some players from the U23s to travel tomorrow.

 

[Spurzinho]

Anyone got a line up for the U17 game, video cuts in after the kick off.

Nevermind, worked it out.

 

[coys200]

Norwich signed 3 attacking players today. That Edwards benched for 5 months lol.

 

[Cravenspurs]

Norwich signed 3 attacking players today. That Edwards benched for 5 months lol.

A striker from the 3rd division and a cuban winger. They have invested in him so may give them the bigger chance, but I hope Marcus can beat them out by pure skill.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Ever since John McDermott came in, nothing has changed training wise. Up to this day he still practices what Chris Ramsay put in place when he was in charge which I think is outdated compared to what academies are doing today. It's boring to watch trust me. I've been watching these boys for the past 7 years and it seems like every season is more or less the same repetitive drills. Defence doesn't really get worked on (tackling, positioning, offside traps), working on the boys fitness is another thing that is not really worked on and that's where you find some parents taking their kids to lea valley to gain extra fitness on our off days. Every Saturday/Sunday it's the same thing. We play the more attractive football than the opponents but yet unless it's a Cat 3 team, we always seem to ship in easy goals and same mistakes which does frustrate parents and kids. When on tour at u9s, we spoke to an Ajax coach and he said development and a winning mentality is a MUST. They don't tend to release kids at 9,10,11,12,13,14 and 15 as when they recruit them at a young age, they want to give the chosen kids proper development (Academies over here should try it). Another thing about the academy is the recruitment of players. What you will find is most players here already and the one being recruited are all very similar. Most of the boys are all natural midfielders or wingers, but are made to be played in different roles. It's frustrating. To me it's very clear why our highly rated youngsters don't get a 10 minute run around in a pointless Prem or CL game. To make this academy more successful, it has got to scrap Ramsays ethos and maybe let Poch draw up a new plan.

John McDermott is the main architect and instigator of our current academy policies, not Chris Ramsey. McDermott was appointed by Arnesen to replace Peter Suddaby as Academy Manager, reporting directly to Arnesen, Ramsey was brought in not long after I think, to work under Mcdermott. I've seen footage of his (McDermott) lectures and dossiers on academy philosophy and structuring. Ramsey was a highly qualified coach, one of the highest qualified of his generation in this country I think, and I'm sure he had input into the academy philosophy too, but this was not a philosophy instigated by Ramsey and blindly followed by McDermott.

 

[ClonedFromSandrosBeard]

Not an expert on this by any means but my understanding (RE fitness) is you have to be very careful with fitness and strengthening in growing bodies. Feel free to correct me, was hoping to do some coaching soon so would actually be good to know.

 

[Hoddle_Ledge]

Norwich manager presser today:

DF: "Marcus Edwards has to learn more about playing without the ball. He's brilliant with the ball." #ncfc

DF: "There is no risk with him. He's highly-rated and if he needs a bit longer, that's fine. He's worked well this week but needs to learn more." #ncfc

DF: "We're looking for Marcus to change his attitude on the pitch slightly. There is no pressure on him and no risk for us." #ncfc

 

[Spurzinho]

Norwich manager presser today:

DF: "Marcus Edwards has to learn more about playing without the ball. He's brilliant with the ball." #ncfc

DF: "There is no risk with him. He's highly-rated and if he needs a bit longer, that's fine. He's worked well this week but needs to learn more." #ncfc

DF: "We're looking for Marcus to change his attitude on the pitch slightly. There is no pressure on him and no risk for us." #ncfc

As suspected.

 

[Spurrific]

Norwich manager presser today:

DF: "Marcus Edwards has to learn more about playing without the ball. He's brilliant with the ball." #ncfc

DF: "There is no risk with him. He's highly-rated and if he needs a bit longer, that's fine. He's worked well this week but needs to learn more." #ncfc

DF: "We're looking for Marcus to change his attitude on the pitch slightly. There is no pressure on him and no risk for us." #ncfc

Fucking Poch

 

[WindyCOYS]

Norwich manager presser today:

DF: "Marcus Edwards has to learn more about playing without the ball. He's brilliant with the ball." #ncfc

DF: "There is no risk with him. He's highly-rated and if he needs a bit longer, that's fine. He's worked well this week but needs to learn more." #ncfc

DF: "We're looking for Marcus to change his attitude on the pitch slightly. There is no pressure on him and no risk for us." #ncfc

Interesting. This sounds like a very Spurs-driven agenda to me. 'We're sending him to you to learn more about off-the-ball work'. I've really not noticed any lack of pressing whenever I've seen him over the past year.

 

[Streetspur77]

Norwich manager presser today:

DF: "Marcus Edwards has to learn more about playing without the ball. He's brilliant with the ball." #ncfc

DF: "There is no risk with him. He's highly-rated and if he needs a bit longer, that's fine. He's worked well this week but needs to learn more." #ncfc

DF: "We're looking for Marcus to change his attitude on the pitch slightly. There is no pressure on him and no risk for us." #ncfc

Not really a surprise from what we've previously heard but also it's not terrible, he's not saying Marcus doesn't care or anything just that he's got some stuff to work on, which is fine for a youngster

They've missed out a bit where he says if he learns quickly he can 100% become the best player in the championship.

It's up to Marcus now, I'd hate for him to be another wonder kid gone bad

 

[George94]

Interesting. This sounds like a very Spurs-driven agenda to me. 'We're sending him to you to learn more about off-the-ball work'. I've really not noticed any lack of pressing whenever I've seen him over the past year.

I'll give him the benefit of the doubt, he's been there a couple of weeks and has been injured for most of that time but this is his opportunity. We'll soon see whether or not there is any 'Edwards has a bad attitude agenda' from now until the end of the season - if he doesn't make it into Norwich's starting line up, it won't be due to lack of talent...

 

[Streetspur77]

Interesting. This sounds like a very Spurs-driven agenda to me. 'We're sending him to you to learn more about off-the-ball work'. I've really not noticed any lack of pressing whenever I've seen him over the past year.

Come on windy, I respect your views on youth but what are you suggesting here?

That we've told the Norwich manager what to say about Edwards to make sure poch can't be blamed for Edwards's lack of progress and then the Norwich manager agreed to that and is now a mouthpiece for pro-poch propaganda?

 

[spursfan77]

Norwich manager presser today:

DF: "Marcus Edwards has to learn more about playing without the ball. He's brilliant with the ball." #ncfc

DF: "There is no risk with him. He's highly-rated and if he needs a bit longer, that's fine. He's worked well this week but needs to learn more." #ncfc

DF: "We're looking for Marcus to change his attitude on the pitch slightly. There is no pressure on him and no risk for us." #ncfc

Where've we heard that before...