The Spurs Youth Thread - 2017/2018

[WindyCOYS]

Interesting. This sounds like a very Spurs-driven agenda to me. 'We're sending him to you to learn more about off-the-ball work'. I've really not noticed any lack of pressing whenever I've seen him over the past year.

I considered not posting this as I knew I'd get some funny ratings

It's really, really not that far-fetched. If they feel a certain way (rightly or wrongly), letting him hear a consistent message from a different voice might achieve what they want.

 

[coys200]

This is where the games all wrong. Do we think Gazza needed to work more off the ball. Hazard has been in his best form since given free reign. Let the creative players do their thing. Plenty of water carriers to do the dirty work.

 

[Spurrific]

This is where the games all wrong. Do we think Gazza needed to work more off the ball. Hazard has been in his best form since given free reign. Let the creative players do their thing. Plenty of water carriers to do the dirty work.

Two professional managers have made the same conclusion, but you know better.

Messi, the best player on the planet, still busts his bollocks getting up and down the pitch. Edwards isn't Gazza, he isn't Hazard, in senior football he has done absolutely fuck all except had a shot against Gillingham or some other shit team in the cup. The amount of hype surrounding him is slightly embarrassing and if the Norwich manager is saying this and he isn't listening - he needs to get his head out of his arse.

 

[LexingtonSpurs]

I considered not posting this as I knew I'd get some funny ratings

It's really, really not that far-fetched. If they feel a certain way (rightly or wrongly), letting him hear a consistent message from a different voice might achieve what they want.

I was thinking similar - less Spurs message, and more just the same message from two sources, maybe it resonates more now.

I hope he did not head to Norwich with the same thoughts as many of the supporters here - that he would automatically walk right in to their squad. Hopefully that light goes on soon where he realizes talent alone is not enough to make it at this level.

 

[faze_coys]

Context is everything.



The highly-rated teenage midfielder has publicly been told to ‘grow up’ by Spurs’ chief Mauricio Pochettino after failing to continue his meteoric rise through the ranks at White Hart Lane, and Farke echoed the same tough love message on Friday afternoon.

“There is no pressure on this signing. If it works, we can have some fun with him. If not, it is more a problem for Marcus,” he said, with Edwards not in the German’s plans for Saturday’s Championship trip to Brentford. “There is no doubt with the ball he is one of our best players. But without it, he has to grow up a bit.

“That was the reason he didn’t play for Tottenham.

“They have a good squad but he is still one of the best there with the ball. He has to be more grown up in his attitude.

“We got the feeling we could take him because there is no financial risk with a loan. We have really good conditions and we can only win.

“If he is able to grow up pretty soon we have one of the best players in the Championship. 100pc.

“His potential is so highly rated, one of the best in Europe. If he needs a bit longer then no problem. It is more a problem for him.

“Then he would return to Tottenham without any time on the pitch. We will give him all our support and this week he was pretty disciplined and concentrated but it is a little bit early to bring him into the squad.

“He needs to learn a little bit more and he is more grown up in his attitude on the pitch and in his behaviour. It is up to him. We give him all the support and trust and then he must go through the door. We can’t carry him.”

 

[Blake Griffin]

seems i read the comments differently to most. i just saw it as farke relaying what marcus has been sent there to do and what he needs to improve on, rather than reporting his own conclusions after a week of working with him. bit disappointed he's not going to be in their squad tomorrow though.

 

[longtimespur]

seems i read the comments differently to most. i just saw it as farke relaying what marcus has been sent there to do and what he needs to improve on, rather than reporting his own conclusions after a week of working with him. bit disappointed he's not going to be in their squad tomorrow though.

Let's hope he is too.

 

[LexingtonSpurs]

Context is everything.

I am not sure what the context is to which you refer.

It sounds to me like he has loads of talent, but does not yet have the right mentality. That is a story that has been told here many times. I don't see anything new here - other than another source saying the same thing.

If I were in Edwards' entourage - I would take careful note of:
"It is more a problem for him. "
“Then he would return to Tottenham without any time on the pitch."
And, "It is up to him. We give him all the support and trust and then he must go through the door. We can’t carry him.”

This seems to be a clear message to Edwards that he needs to put in the hard work and effort. I hope he gets that message, because it seems like he has the talent - now he has to match it with the work ethic.

 

[St José Dominguez]

Context is everything.



The highly-rated teenage midfielder has publicly been told to ‘grow up’ by Spurs’ chief Mauricio Pochettino after failing to continue his meteoric rise through the ranks at White Hart Lane, and Farke echoed the same tough love message on Friday afternoon.

“There is no pressure on this signing. If it works, we can have some fun with him. If not, it is more a problem for Marcus,” he said, with Edwards not in the German’s plans for Saturday’s Championship trip to Brentford. “There is no doubt with the ball he is one of our best players. But without it, he has to grow up a bit.

“That was the reason he didn’t play for Tottenham.

“They have a good squad but he is still one of the best there with the ball. He has to be more grown up in his attitude.

“We got the feeling we could take him because there is no financial risk with a loan. We have really good conditions and we can only win.

“If he is able to grow up pretty soon we have one of the best players in the Championship. 100pc.

“His potential is so highly rated, one of the best in Europe. If he needs a bit longer then no problem. It is more a problem for him.

“Then he would return to Tottenham without any time on the pitch. We will give him all our support and this week he was pretty disciplined and concentrated but it is a little bit early to bring him into the squad.

“He needs to learn a little bit more and he is more grown up in his attitude on the pitch and in his behaviour. It is up to him. We give him all the support and trust and then he must go through the door. We can’t carry him.”

Makes horrible reading. Think we can admit now that he's clearly infected with billy big bollocks. Like so many others he thinks because he's so naturally technically gifted he doesn't need to work on other aspects of his game.
Someone close to him needs to sit him down and drum it into his brain the opportunity he has and how easily it could evaporate. When he's 40, he'll look back and think how he wasted something that could have been so special. It's sad and so frustrating, he needs to wake up fast.

 

[Westmorland]

Two professional managers have made the same conclusion, but you know better.

Messi, the best player on the planet, still busts his bollocks getting up and down the pitch. Edwards isn't Gazza, he isn't Hazard, in senior football he has done absolutely fuck all except had a shot against Gillingham or some other shit team in the cup. The amount of hype surrounding him is slightly embarrassing and if the Norwich manager is saying this and he isn't listening - he needs to get his head out of his arse.

If you check the stats you will find that Messi doesn’t run much at all. He walks more than most players. In a recent Classico Renaldo ran twice as far as Messi.The team is set up for Messi to do what he does. He certainly does not bust his bollocks, but then he doesn’t have to. Unlike someone like Rooney who ran all over the place and now at 31 can hardly raise a gallop.

 

[faze_coys]

I am not sure what the context is to which you refer.

It sounds to me like he has loads of talent, but does not yet have the right mentality. That is a story that has been told here many times. I don't see anything new here - other than another source saying the same thing.

If I were in Edwards' entourage - I would take careful note of:
"It is more a problem for him. "
“Then he would return to Tottenham without any time on the pitch."
And, "It is up to him. We give him all the support and trust and then he must go through the door. We can’t carry him.”

This seems to be a clear message to Edwards that he needs to put in the hard work and effort. I hope he gets that message, because it seems like he has the talent - now he has to match it with the work ethic.

The context is farke is just relaying his supposed problems at spurs, not how he’s been at Norwich.

All these Twitter snippets are making out likes he’s had a bad attitude and been lazy since the move, when all it is is farke laying down a challenge to marcus

 

[Westmorland]

seems i read the comments differently to most. i just saw it as farke relaying what marcus has been sent there to do and what he needs to improve on, rather than reporting his own conclusions after a week of working with him. bit disappointed he's not going to be in their squad tomorrow though.

I am surprised a manager is having a dig at a new signing almost as soon as he arrives. Seems strange..as if there is another agenda on the go. I see Chris Wilder had a dig at CCV after he left. Intimated that Blackman(Chelsea gk) just got on with it when dropped whereas Cameron sulked.

 

[LexingtonSpurs]

The context is farke is just relaying his supposed problems at spurs, not how he’s been at Norwich.

All these Twitter snippets are making out likes he’s had a bad attitude and been lazy since the move, when all it is is farke laying down a challenge to marcus

Yeah, I agree with that - with the caveat that I think Farke is expecting more from Edwards than what he has seen - not that his attitude has been bad, but that more is expected.

I hope Edwards sees this for what it is - his chance to prove he belongs at the senior level. I want him to grab that chance and run - and people are telling him what he needs to do to take advantage of the situation.

 

[LexingtonSpurs]

I am surprised a manager is having a dig at a new signing almost as soon as he arrives. Seems strange..as if there is another agenda on the go. I see Chris Wilder had a dig at CCV after he left. Intimated that Blackman(Chelsea gk) just got on with it when dropped whereas Cameron sulked.

I don't read it has having a dig at Edwards - I read it as telling Edwards very clearly what the expectations are. Much prefer that, than a manager who says nothing, and still doesn't play him....

 

[Spurrific]

If you check the stats you will find that Messi doesn’t run much at all. He walks more than most players. In a recent Classico Renaldo ran twice as far as Messi.The team is set up for Messi to do what he does. He certainly does not bust his bollocks, but then he doesn’t have to. Unlike someone like Rooney who ran all over the place and now at 31 can hardly raise a gallop.

I literally watched Messi sprint back the length of the pitch the other day, dispossessing the other team's attacker and then proceeding to skill a few of them up before launching an attack. He knows when to bust his arse and does it.

It's a pointless comparison anyway - Edwards has a lot to do to be afforded the luxuries of the game that Lionel Messi is.

 

[danielneeds]

I literally watched Messi sprint back the length of the pitch the other day, dispossessing the other team's attacker and then proceeding to skill a few of them up before launching an attack. He knows when to bust his arse and does it.

It's a pointless comparison anyway - Edwards has a lot to do to be afforded the luxuries of the game that Lionel Messi is.

Haha, if he scores 500 goals for us we can then let him off tracking back!

 

[HildoSpur]

I am surprised a manager is having a dig at a new signing almost as soon as he arrives. Seems strange..as if there is another agenda on the go. I see Chris Wilder had a dig at CCV after he left. Intimated that Blackman(Chelsea gk) just got on with it when dropped whereas Cameron sulked.

I'm not - not if he has been unimpressed with the kid's attitude or commitment in training. The manager clearly wants him the loan to work as he can see the ability Marcus has, but he also is trying to manage a team in the toughest league in the country and he needs to be able to rely on players to do a job. If Marcus isn't showing the right stuff then he needs to be told.

 

[Spurzinho]

I can't believe people are comparing Edwards to Messi and Gazza. Some perspective please. Edwards has always had a lot of potential and his style of play drew comparisons to Messi but and this is very important!..Messi was destroying grown men at 16 consistently. Consistently. Gazza was very similar. Being compared in potential and style is not the same thing as being compared in development. In terms of development Edwards is much further behind.

Another compare and contrast would be Wayne Rooney. Yes, he was stocky but he was still only what? 5'9 Rooney drew plaudits because as well as being extremely talented he combined it with insane work rate and a good attitude and he was - and here's that word again - Consistently bossing grown men in training and in the reserves.

So, please understand the difference. Edwards has scored a couple of cracking goals in training but there's absolutely no suggestion that he's bossing Jan, Toby or Davinson or that he even dominated the likes of Wimmer/Carter-Vickers.etc

Edwards has bags of talent but won't be able to do much consistently against grown men until understands what it means to actually become a Messi or a Gazza. For the record Gazza was no shrinking violet on the pitch, himself, and always put in a shift.

 

[Lilbaz]

Not really a surprise from what we've previously heard but also it's not terrible, he's not saying Marcus doesn't care or anything just that he's got some stuff to work on, which is fine for a youngster

They've missed out a bit where he says if he learns quickly he can 100% become the best player in the championship.

It's up to Marcus now, I'd hate for him to be another wonder kid gone bad

Think there is pressure on him now. His team mates will all want to get into the playoffs and wouldn't put up with less than 100% commitment. Think it will be really good for him if he can put the effort in.

 

[St José Dominguez]

I am surprised a manager is having a dig at a new signing almost as soon as he arrives. Seems strange..as if there is another agenda on the go. I see Chris Wilder had a dig at CCV after he left. Intimated that Blackman(Chelsea gk) just got on with it when dropped whereas Cameron sulked.

It wasn't what I'd call a dig, he also said with the ball he's one of best there but also at Spurs. Said potential wise he's one of best in Europe. He just also said some very uncomfortable truths.
We as fans can give him a pass cos it won't make a blind bit of difference to his career however I hope his family and friends don't. Sadly I can imagine much like all footballers those close to him just kiss his arse and agree that he's such a baller and the managers/coaches are wrong and he's right. If he keeps doing what he's doing he'll slip into the abyss, guarantee it.