Thoughts on AVB

[Col_M]

re Tototoner and your comment below;

he needs to know when not to over complicate instructions as British footballers in general are not very bright and ours are no different - I am not saying to be as lackadaisical as our previous head coach / manager but just not to confuse certain players too much.


where is the evidence ? That he over complicates things, not yat British footballers are thick, that's a given. all I've seen is some chairman state that he did not understand his master plan at a job interview

 

[parklane1]

Always thought he was the right man to take us forward but he needed time to do so, could not understand all the knee jerkers who were screaming for his head after a few games ( both fans and media). I have no doubt that progress is being made and i am sure that Levy can see that is the case.

 

[BPR_U16]

Where you finish determines everything, this is a results orientated industry. Results determine success or failure otherwise there would be no point giving out trophies or awarding points for scoring more goals.

In our case, outside the top 4 arrests our development for 2 years minimum and results in the sale of players thus possibly arresting it for longer, within the top 4 and Champions League football speeds it up.

So how much did we go forward the last time we got top 4 and CL?

Your theory is perhaps correct, but progress can only be made by having vision of how the team can develop (which comes from the manager) and the backing where necessary (which comes from the board).

Given the way the team was stripped of the creative talent of Modric and VdV of last season, plus the injuries to major players of the squad left behind, believe AVB has done a very good job.

Whether it be now, or in the summer, there will be a time when DL will be tested to the full as to how far he will back the manager - and it is then that we will fully understand how much DL wants this

 

[chinaman]

I think he is the right man for the job, I think with backing he will bring us success. I have this nagging feel though that he will get the sack if we don't get a CL place, with once again a whole summer of turmoil and speculation. I really, really hope that doesn't happen.

I don't think he'll get the sack if we don't get CL; it'll only happen if some sort of complete breakdown of last year's 2nd half of the season magnitude happens.

Levy knows AVB hasn't spent much and in fact the transfers ins and outs is in the black; and that we'll definitely lose Bale and perhaps even Kaboul and Verts if AVB goes and that turmoil sets in. One other reason is that Levy having already paid to rid Harry is unlikely to incur the same expense for the 2 years remaining on AVB's contract.

Avb has been talking of the project since Day 1, and perhaps he and Levy had agreed on a plan to buy inexpensive parts and try to mold them into something serviceable.

 

[beats1]

Im less convinced on AVB than I was after the first 10 games, he makes some truly strange decisions at time and I want a manager who isnt afraid to drop big players if they are playing poor and so far he hasnt been it. We have been pretty poor in Europe considering we have played a first team, we did better last year considering we rested the first team and played players coming back from league 1.

I feel like the fact we lost VDV and Modric will always be a excuse for him if we are under performing and imo Levy is at fault for not getting his players in but despite at the moment we are on par teams who have a weaker CM(West Brom and Everton). If he trusted the youth more than I feel we may of faired better than playing Hudd or even Dempsey(who up until his last 7 games was dog shit). Playing Sig and Dempsey out of position has cost us abit at times imo rather than Townsend, which has been strange considering especially when people have targeted our LB. He definitely needs to stop the odd comments of praising players and then dropping and etc.

Despite this the bigger teams have been shocking really and even this so called great Chelsea team are only 2 points in front(albeit one game in hand), and Arse will probably be level with us. I think AVB has done OK and I hope levy backs him otherwise whats the point of having him as then we need a manager who is proven to do well at bringing youth through. I think if he gives youth more of chance he may be pleasantly surprised and with one or two top signings he could take us and push the top 3(who except United are struggling). I would love him to manage us like he did Chelsea tbh, I know it failed there but I think with us it would of worked better with us I often feel he is managing us like he should of at Chelsea. IMO they are two different situations and he is more likely to get backed by Levy than Roman(keeping his job and bring youth through). Also which ever North London manager doesnt get top 4 this season will be sacked imo and if it is us I fear what may happen after Bale leaves as Im afraid who we might find to replace him

 

[StartingPrice]

if remember correctly you were very pro Brendon Rogers and not exactly over joyed that we got AVB.

Were as I was delighted we got AVB instead of a 1 season wonder who actually performed no better than Aston Villa's current manager yet got massive hype because he has spent his managerial career watching Barca play on TV and desperatley attempting to copy them. As pool are finding out possession football isn't everything in the premier league

I'm watching you SP

Then you remember incorrectly.

What I said was that Brendan Rodgers was a good option, AVB was a good option, David Moyes was a good option. Perhaps, at some stage, I expressed a preference for Brandan Rodgers, but that is substantially differenent to saying AVB is not a good option.

In fact, to be more exact, I was referring, in the part of my post you quoted, to the period after AVB was appointed, whereas even if I was in any way negative about AVB (which I wasn't) it doesn't negate my comment - as I was absolutely positive about AVB as soon as we appointed him (as I was before we appointed him).

I also said that I thought Brandan Rodgers had made a poor choice of job, just as I said two seasons ago that Liverpool's decline was endemic and folk on here should stop being in such awe of their reputation - so Liverpool's less than rip-roaring form under Brandan Rodgers does not prove that I was wrong about him, as the Spurs job and the Liverpool job are significantly different.

I did, also, as said in my original post, point to the fact that when Cheslea signed AVB I commented that he would be a good appointment after Chelsea sacked him, which, to me, was an inevitability.

See, the thing is, I write in joined up, it would help if you read in joined up, and perhaps, then, you would keep up

 

[beats1]

I don't think he'll get the sack if we don't get CL; it'll only happen if some sort of complete breakdown of last year's 2nd half of the season magnitude happens.

Levy knows AVB hasn't spent much and in fact the transfers ins and outs is in the black; and that we'll definitely lose Bale and perhaps even Kaboul and Verts if AVB goes and that turmoil sets in. One other reason is that Levy having already paid to rid Harry is unlikely to incur the same expense for the 2 years remaining on AVB's contract.

Avb has been talking of the project since Day 1, and perhaps he and Levy had agreed on a plan to buy inexpensive parts and try to mold them into something serviceable.

If we dont get top 4, it will be worse than last year as our opponents are alot worse for the spot, Arsenal pretty much lost the one guy who got them 3rd or 4th last year and look shocking at times and then people often say we shouldnt be able to compete with Chelsea and Man City for the top 3 spots because the money they spend, then the same should apply to Everton and WBA. As there is no excuse for them finishing above us especially when one of their best signings came from us

 

[beats1]

Then you remember incorrectly.

What I said was that Brendan Rodgers was a good option, AVB was a good option, David Moyes was a good option. Perhaps, at some stage, I expressed a preference for Brandan Rodgers, but that is substantially differenent to saying AVB is not a good option.

In fact, to be more exact, I was referring, in the part of my post you quoted, to the period after AVB was appointed, whereas even if I was in any way negative about AVB (which I wasn't) it doesn't negate my comment - as I was absolutely positive about AVB as soon as we appointed him (as I was before we appointed him).

I also said that I thought Brandan Rodgers had made a poor choice of job, just as I said two seasons ago that Liverpool's decline was endemic and folk on here should stop being in such awe of their reputation - so Liverpool's less than rip-roaring form under Brandan Rodgers does not prove that I was wrong about him, as the Spurs job and the Liverpool job are significantly different.

I did, also, as said in my original post, point to the fact that when Cheslea signed AVB I commented that he would be a good appointment after Chelsea sacked him, which, to me, was an inevitability.

See, the thing is, I write in joined up, it would help if you read in joined up, and perhaps, then, you would keep up

I actually like Brendon Rodgers still, I just think one issue has been established players who are undroppable and the fact that squad is shit. I know people on Rawk will make you believe that they have a top 4 team but for his system that team is shit and he hasnt helped with the treatment of Carroll when he believed he was getting a upgrade. People talk about this great liverpool youth team but it really isnt that great other than 1 or players and the fact they are around 9th is about right considering they have one striker who doesnt have a great conversion rate

 

[Syn_13]

Every year it seems harder and harder to get into a CL spot. I like him as a person and I like his willingness to take a gamble, like in the Arsenal game. He's doing well enough but the real test is yet to come.

He needs to instill a winning mentality into the team as that is what separates us from the big boys. Once he has "his team" (providing he gets it) then we'll really see what he's made of.

 

[Misfit]

I can't wait to see how he'll do when he gets a clear run. He's had so many fires to put out since he joined. His attitude is just what we need though. Not a single excuse from him. I sincerely hope that is rubbing off on more than a few of our players.

The league being a bit ****ybooby has helped but we've already had some of our toughest games done with. Still think we'll fall just short of top 4 this season but with a good run in the cup - maybe even winning it. We can beat anyone in a game but still suffer from a few weaknesses and not all of them can be rectified by AVB alone.

 

[whatsappnin]

I am going to be really honest and admit I turned on him a few weeks back, for which I have been made to eat my words. I think I was too quick to judge, and it would be stupid to say that now he is brilliant.

I do believe however that he has the potential to take Spurs to the next level. Him and Freunds passion is something else, especially the latter!

Love it when we score and the camera goes on them two!

COYS

 

[tototoner]

re Tototoner and your comment below;

he needs to know when not to over complicate instructions as British footballers in general are not very bright and ours are no different - I am not saying to be as lackadaisical as our previous head coach / manager but just not to confuse certain players too much.


where is the evidence ? That he over complicates things, not yat British footballers are thick, that's a given. all I've seen is some chairman state that he did not understand his master plan at a job interview

I have seen him give instructions at games where the player just looks at him with a blank expression, I have only been to a few home games earlier in the season and seen it then.

 

[mark87]

I love his passion and enthusiam, just shows how much he wants to succeed, give him a fully fit starting XI and a couple players HE would like and we'll do even better than we are now.

 

[tooey]

What does worry me is the lack of goals at home this season. I understand the foundation for any team with CL ambitions is a solid defence and that the system we play is an extremely compact and patient one. I just feel that we could afford to loosen the reigns at home from time to time. Too often have we been biten in the arse by not going for the throat and sitting back. I will however commend AVB on our pretty impressive defensive record, taking into consideration the absence of Younes and BAE. I too agree that his dealings with media and players have been superb up to this point and the way in which he articulates his philosophys is top notch. I shall give him a half season rating of 7.5/10. I just pray to the heavens that hes backed in january and that Levy doesn't get impatient.

 

[Spurs1960]

So how much did we go forward the last time we got top 4 and CL?

Your theory is perhaps correct, but progress can only be made by having vision of how the team can develop (which comes from the manager) and the backing where necessary (which comes from the board).

Given the way the team was stripped of the creative talent of Modric and VdV of last season, plus the injuries to major players of the squad left behind, believe AVB has done a very good job.

Whether it be now, or in the summer, there will be a time when DL will be tested to the full as to how far he will back the manager - and it is then that we will fully understand how much DL wants this

We progressed inro a team that should easily have finished 3rd if it were not for Harry giving up for the England job.

 

[beats1]

Every year it seems harder and harder to get into a CL spot. I like him as a person and I like his willingness to take a gamble, like in the Arsenal game. He's doing well enough but the real test is yet to come.

He needs to instill a winning mentality into the team as that is what separates us from the big boys. Once he has "his team" (providing he gets it) then we'll really see what he's made of.

Really, Everton and WBA may argue otherwise, I think it is a more of a case of us, making it harder for ourselves

 

[FITZ]

Every year it seems harder and harder to get into a CL spot. I like him as a person and I like his willingness to take a gamble, like in the Arsenal game. He's doing well enough but the real test is yet to come.

He needs to instill a winning mentality into the team as that is what separates us from the big boys. Once he has "his team" (providing he gets it) then we'll really see what he's made of.

Is it harder or are we making harder work of it? If we hadn't had a few mental last 10 mins we would be walking it.

Not saying we should be walking it - but it could have been the situation.

Personal opinion on AVB is that he's doing well - I couldn't see past the departures of VDV, king and mods. Thought we would really struggle this year once the window closed. So pretty happy where we are!

 

[Wsussexspur]

For me the jury is still out on him. One things for sure Levy needs to back him in the transfer window if he is serious about us getting in the top four though.

 

[parklane_n17]

If your a arm chair fan you will love AVB. If your a season ticket holder home and away like me your probably bored shitless

 

[FITZ]

If your a arm chair fan you will love AVB. If your a season ticket holder home and away like me your probably bored shitless

Probably better to be an away season holder than a home one!