Tim Sherwood: Spurs would take my win percentage now

SpurSince57

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What? I am just pointing out that Sherwood's results were not because of good managing or having the team play well. He had an in form Eriksen and a motivated Ade. We are playing the same way this season(like complete shit), but this time with the unmotivated version of Ade and a tremendously out of form Eriksen to save our asses.
Yes. So clearly Sherwood got some important things right.
 

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You're calling it completely arseways. As has been said, Harry's the one who had the 4th place finishes and had us up with the elite. The downturn started when he left. The time for taking your finger off the trigger was when we finished 4th yet again. But as with Jol before him, levy and many clownish supporters thought he was underachieving!

Well, the data since then don't support it at all. And the idea that stability should have kicked in for the guy who brought unwatchable footy first, followed by dysfunction and utter capitulation to the likes of west ham and Liverpool....well, that's a mental thing to be claiming credit for "calling". AVB was given two golden chances in English footy, and let's just say I'll be surprised if he gets another.
AVB got a higher points total than Harry in his previous year. Other teams had also strengthened so he was up against it more than Harry. Missing fourth by the slimmest of margins was down to other results, considering that AVB got the highest points total our club has ever achieved in a season.

This time last year, AVB had almost double the league points Poch has. If he was so bad, why are you not calling for Poch to be sacked?
 

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AVB got a higher points total than Harry in his previous year. Other teams had also strengthened so he was up against it And more than Harry. Missing fourth by the slimmest of margins was down to other results, considering that AVB got the highest points total our club has ever achieved in a season.

This time last year, AVB had almost double the league points Poch has. If he was so bad, why are you not calling for Poch to be sacked?
And Sherwood's average PPG beat AVB's.
 

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Christ! I cannot believe how myopic some people are - there was a bigger picture in which progress and grinding out results was more important than playing the prettiest football. I guess entertainment value supersedes our need for a higher league position and any prospect of integration. Jeez...

I'll take a few ugly games for the greater good of the team, if it means stability and setting a foundation for long-term success. Too bad others here won't.

@SpurSince57 - Since AVB had almost double the league points as Poch this time last year, and you obviously wanted him out... Does this now mean you want Poch out? If not, why not?
 

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And Sherwood's average PPG beat AVB's.
Yeah, after capitalizing on AVB's work of getting the team working together. Sherwood's approach was a brute force, gung-ho non-sustainable trick that worked for a few games and as predicted, didn't stand a chance for longevity. He also had an inspired Ade, after getting him out of jail and promising him the earth (which he delivered on, and Poch wishes to continue).

What about Sherwood's loss ratio, or the fact that we were playing lottery football under him and it only took lucky goals to win? You honestly wanted Sherwood to stay?
 

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No, appointing him totally derailed us imo.
And if youve spoken to anyone who watched that and said anything other than it sucked arse then Im speechless lol.
Theres nothing wrong with sacking a manager whos taking us backwards.
We sack any bugger no matter what which I agree is ridiculous.
Jol should never have gone imo.
Harry should never have gone.
And I dont know what more Sherwood could have done so why appoint him? IMO I dont think how he's portrayed in the media had f all to do with it. We're talking multi million pound business here to take us forward into CL. I dont think you base your decision of who can get you there on how they deal with the press. Being sacked for saying it like it is??? Yeah probably lol.
I thought it was a results based business but...
Lets put it this way, once your Chairman sacks a guy who's just got you your only 2 top four finishes.... ever... at only 3 attempts, well then all bets are off.
Unless you win the league every year you're f in gone lol.
Dude - there's definitely an argument to be made there with Harry. The thing that did it for me was his whoring out for the England job which obviously interfered with our own progress which is unacceptable. In my opinion, I agree with Klinsmann that we need a Wenger / Fergie type of manager and neither of those two would pimp like that! AVB was that guy, in it for the long haul, conducted himself professionally, did what he had to, to grind out results while integrating a motley crew of recently arrived cowboys and had the support of his senior players. I was good with a few slow games if that's what was needed.

Jol - Ah, yes... too long ago so he doesn't count!
 

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@SpurSince57 - Since AVB had almost double the league points as Poch this time last year, and you obviously wanted him out... Does this now mean you want Poch out? If not, why not?
As a matter of fact, I didn't. At this point, I don't want Pochettino out either, although I reserve the right to alter that opinion if there isn't a major improvement over the next few games.
 

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Did a great job at Palace?
I like the guy, handles him self well considering he a friend of Harry's.
interestingly. in the 26 games that pulis was in charge of palace last season he gained 38 points. in the same time frame poch's southampton side gained 34. since then half of southampton's squad have been sold off/valued at 20m+ a pop, how many of the crystal palace players pulis was working with would command that kind of fee? i'm not sure their entire squad would even come to much more than that.
 

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interestingly. in the 26 games that pulis was in charge of palace last season he gained 38 points. in the same time frame poch's southampton side gained 34. since then half of southampton's squad have been sold off/valued at 20m+ a pop, how many of the crystal palace players pulis was working with would command that kind of fee? i'm not sure their entire squad would even come to much more than that.
And?
 

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This time last year, AVB had almost double the league points Poch has. If he was so bad, why are you not calling for Poch to be sacked?
Poch is only 11 games in. If he had a season already under his belt, I'd probably be bristling a bit more.

I'm concerned about his approach, which appears far too AVB-like when you consider his rigid formation, the constant whining about him not getting whatever 27 million pound player everyone thinks he's after, and the idea of "working on the defence" first (and not working on the attack because of it). I hope thinktank is right about him - that we'll see proper attacking footy and decent progress in the latter half of this season.

But I haven't seen anything from him at spurs just yet to be optimistic. He's got his work cut out for him and he's been too cautious so far. It's quite possible he won't improve on AVB, in which case I'd expect his tenure to be about as long. AVB entered his second season on the back of a 5th place finish. So I wouldn't recommend that Poch keep plodding along toward a 12th place finish and expect patience to be in abundant supply ten games into next season.
 
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