Time for Harry to go ?

[dimiSpur]

question who would you rather lose?

modric or redknapp

bale or redknapp

vdv or redknapp

interested cos vdv is a worldy on his day but i am sensing there is something seriously wrong with there relationship??...

could we attract a better player?

or could we attract a better manager to mange vdv??....

which?

I'm Rafa's biggest fan, but he's been shit lately. Yes, shit. Shocking. He doesn't offer anything when not on form, other than a tantrum when subbed. Mourinho got rid of him. Go figure.

 

[Matt C]

What a silly thread. Sure, questions have to be asked of Harry in terms of team selection (why did Defoe play last night?) and transfer skills (re: the obvious), but to call for his sacking because we lose with 10 men against the biggest team in Europe is hardly justified. In fact it's crazy.

I'd like to ask MattC who he proposes to bring in to replace Harry to has a realistic chance of bettering what Harry has done thus far?

I have said repeatedly that this is not just about last night it is about fulham in the cup, West Ham, Wolves, Wigan, Blackpool in the league, our non scoring strikers and why they are not scoring, why Niko isn't getting a look in despite scoring 2 winners, it is also about dithering in the transfer market, it is about why we can't perform against minnows, it is about strange tactics and formations, last night is about 10% of it at best.

You would almost think with the reaction that I had walked into a mosque and called Mohammed a paedophile not questioned Harry's ability to get us out of a freefall.

 

[Mr Pink]

harry redknapp whilst a good manager has simply taken this club as far as he can.

when he has a fully fit squad to choose from he is fine, hes 442, the team(a bloody good one when all fit) picks its self....

but when they arent all fit (& thats another thing, our injury?fitness record for pulls & cramp are a disgrace under his management), when he needs to earn his corn in a tactical manner he fails consistantly.....

from last night

instance 1: weve worked all week on a 4411 formation with a midfield 4 of (from the left) bale, modric, sandro, lennon....our best players, this picks itself....each player has a player to mark on set pieces etc....

lennon pulls out at last minute, now from a very early age at any level of football everyone knows you just choose horses for courses...change like for like as much as you can....limit the damage on tactical planning

we had worked all week with that midfield so why didnt he just say to JJ, your wide right, u pick up lennons man...same formation, same tactics, same marking??????....he messed up a whole weeks work 1 minute before a game ffs!!!!, put the best left winger in the world (imo) on the right, our best midfielder (at keeping us posession) on the left & destroyed our planning just for JJ....sheer madness


instance 2: we have 10 men & our prized & best outlet is the pace of bale on the counter, so why take off the only player on the park who in a tight quick thinking needed spot could play him the perfect ball from 50, 60 yards in VDV???????....SHIFT HIM RIGHT ALA BLACKBURN HARRY FFS....marcelo was bombing on all day anyway & the ball would have got to VDV on plenty of occasion in the second half on the right...
bring on defoe to hold up the ball on his own isntead of pav.....BEYOND STUPID
instance 3:
instance 4: corluka gets injured & bassong comes on, bennys been our best player & gallas has played right back at least 5 times this season so obviously he will go right, bassong & dawson will play centre & benny will stay left because hes mustard there.....OH NO....we will shift benny right (WTF) & stick bassong left back!!...perfect, 4th goal, bennys out of position on right (not a right back), ball get splayed to ronaldo & bassong doesnt anticipate it or close him down quick enough (not a left back)...

Harry is tactically not good enough, thanks but goodbye fella....

oh & he has bought basically all our old players back also....didnt think suarez was worth the money (better than ANYTHING we have up front)...constantly says we were rubbish before he took over, forgetting we finished 5th twice on the bounce & won a trophy in the 3 years prior to him taking over a squad that consisted of at least 95% of the players we still have!

he is a good manager, but not good enough for spurs (my opinion)

Some of this is correct but some of it I dont agree with.

Bringing on Defoe was correct IMO. VDV looked off the pace and was completely ineffectual, moving him right wouldn't of changed much, he still looks unfit to me. The reasoning behind bringing Defoe on was to exploit the space behing Madrid's high line...he has the pace to do this.

Pav holds the ball up better but doesn't have enough pace to stretch defences or take advantage of gaps in behind defences. Pav is better at approach play on the edge of the box...we were never going to building attacks slowly like that...we were totally dominated.

We needed another option for an outlet ball, and a ball over the top of their high back line could of given Defoe someting to get after and a threat for them to think about consequently pushing them back a little in terms of their shape on the pitch...which was pushed right up.

I saw the reasoning behind the Defoe sub.

 

[talkshowhost86]

I have said repeatedly that this is not just about last night it is about fulham in the cup, West Ham, Wolves, Wigan, Blackpool in the league, our non scoring strikers and why they are not scoring, why Niko isn't getting a look in despite scoring 2 winners, it is also about dithering in the transfer market, it is about why we can't perform against minnows, it is about strange tactics and formations, last night is about 10% of it at best.

You would almost think with the reaction that I had walked into a mosque and called Mohammed a paedophile not questioned Harry's ability to get us out of a freefall.

A freefall? I'm not quite sure of your definition of freefall but I think we may need to get you a new dictionary.

We are one place off where we finished last season, with plenty of games still to go and only being edged by a team that has spent billions.

Plus let's not forget who put us in the position from which we are allegedly freefalling.

Your short-termism is alarming.

 

[full-frontal-nudity]

I have said repeatedly that this is not just about last night it is about fulham in the cup, West Ham, Wolves, Wigan, Blackpool in the league, our non scoring strikers and why they are not scoring, why Niko isn't getting a look in despite scoring 2 winners, it is also about dithering in the transfer market, it is about why we can't perform against minnows, it is about strange tactics and formations, last night is about 10% of it at best.

You would almost think with the reaction that I had walked into a mosque and called Mohammed a paedophile not questioned Harry's ability to get us out of a freefall.

Karate Joe :grin:

 

[Azrael]

I have said repeatedly that this is not just about last night it is about fulham in the cup, West Ham, Wolves, Wigan, Blackpool in the league, our non scoring strikers and why they are not scoring, why Niko isn't getting a look in despite scoring 2 winners, it is also about dithering in the transfer market, it is about why we can't perform against minnows, it is about strange tactics and formations, last night is about 10% of it at best.

You would almost think with the reaction that I had walked into a mosque and called Mohammed a paedophile not questioned Harry's ability to get us out of a freefall.

I am the first person to criticise Harry if I think he is making a mistake and I get called a Harry Basher as a result. But, you have to look at things as a whole. Not just select a few games that support your argument. There are plenty of mistakes he has made and that is frustrating because they are reletively easy to spot mistakes and are fixable......but at the same time he has taken us into and through a significant CL campagin. Who was the last Spurs manager to do that?

So, when you factor everything in, you have to argue that he should go nowhere unless someone considerably better is available to take his place. I noticed you declined to answer the question of who you would propose to bring in right now who is going to do better. If you are unwilling to offer any suggestions in this regard that it says to me that you are one of these people who likes to complain a lot but doesn't really, ultimately, know what he is talking about.

 

[Matt C]

A freefall? I'm not quite sure of your definition of freefall but I think we may need to get you a new dictionary.

We are one place off where we finished last season, with plenty of games still to go and only being edged by a team that has spent billions.

Plus let's not forget who put us in the position from which we are allegedly freefalling.

Your short-termism is alarming.

Ok freefall might be a bit of an exaggeration but 5th is flattering us given our terrible form in 2011 and there just does not seem to be a plan at managerial level to deal with it, an inexperienced manager can have excuses but someone as experienced as Harry does not seem to know how to turn things around.

I am grateful for what he has achieved here but it is wrong to just stick one's head in the sand and pretend everything is ok when it isn't

 

[dav3j]

Some of this is correct but some of it I dont agree with.

Bringing on Defoe was correct IMO. VDV looked off the pace and was completely ineffectual, moving him right wouldn't of changed much, he still looks unfit to me. The reasoning behind bringing Defoe on was to exploit the space behing Madrid's high line...he has the pace to do this.

Pav holds the ball up better but doesn't have enough pace to stretch defences or take advantage of gaps in behind defences. Pav is better at approach play on the edge of the box...we were never going to building attacks slowly like that...we were totally dominated.

We needed another option for an outlet ball, and a ball over the top of their high back line could of given Defoe someting to get after and a threat for them to think about consequently pushing them back a little in terms of their shape on the pitch...which was pushed right up.

I saw the reasoning behind the Defoe sub.

Totally agree. I'm not Defoe's biggest fan by some stretch, but we desperately needed more pace and I was hoping for the same change at HT.

 

[Matt C]

I am the first person to criticise Harry if I think he is making a mistake and I get called a Harry Basher as a result. But, you have to look at things as a whole. Not just select a few games that support your argument. There are plenty of mistakes he has made and that is frustrating because they are reletively easy to spot mistakes and are fixable......but at the same time he has taken us into and through a significant CL campagin. Who was the last Spurs manager to do that?

So, when you factor everything in, you have to argue that he should go nowhere unless someone considerably better is available to take his place. I noticed you declined to answer the question of who you would propose to bring in right now who is going to do better. If you are unwilling to offer any suggestions in this regard that it says to me that you are one of these people who likes to complain a lot but doesn't really, ultimately, know what he is talking about.

Mourinho would be first choice but that would be pie in the sky admittedly but I would choose one from

Villas Boas
Van Gaal
Coyle

Jose has a soft spot for us I think he would put in a good word for us to Villas Boas, Van Gaal is out of work at the moment and has a great track record in Europe and Coyle would bring fresh ideas to us and attacking football.

 

[adiepf]

Some of this is correct but some of it I dont agree with.

Bringing on Defoe was correct IMO. VDV looked off the pace and was completely ineffectual, moving him right wouldn't of changed much, he still looks unfit to me. The reasoning behind bringing Defoe on was to exploit the space behing Madrid's high line...he has the pace to do this.

Pav holds the ball up better but doesn't have enough pace to stretch defences or take advantage of gaps in behind defences. Pav is better at approach play on the edge of the box...we were never going to building attacks slowly like that...we were totally dominated.

We needed another option for an outlet ball, and a ball over the top of their high back line could of given Defoe someting to get after and a threat for them to think about consequently pushing them back a little in terms of their shape on the pitch...which was pushed right up.

I saw the reasoning behind the Defoe sub.

defoe is NOT quicker than pav....if he is its barely...defoe is NOT quick at all!

 

[wizgell]

I have said repeatedly that this is not just about last night it is about fulham in the cup, West Ham, Wolves, Wigan, Blackpool in the league, our non scoring strikers and why they are not scoring, why Niko isn't getting a look in despite scoring 2 winners, it is also about dithering in the transfer market, it is about why we can't perform against minnows, it is about strange tactics and formations, last night is about 10% of it at best.

You would almost think with the reaction that I had walked into a mosque and called Mohammed a paedophile not questioned Harry's ability to get us out of a freefall.

Spot on! The timing of these threads isn't great, but it's not about the game last night

 

[talkshowhost86]

Ok freefall might be a bit of an exaggeration but 5th is flattering us given our terrible form in 2011 and there just does not seem to be a plan at managerial level to deal with it, an inexperienced manager can have excuses but someone as experienced as Harry does not seem to know how to turn things around.

I am grateful for what he has achieved here but it is wrong to just stick one's head in the sand and pretend everything is ok when it isn't

Nobody is saying everything is okay. What people are saying is that maybe a manager who has been nothing but successful for us for 2 years deserves a bit of time to try and correct our first bad run since he was appointed.

Are you seriously suggesting that teams should sack managers after a run of 5 poor results? Yes the last 5 games have been disappointing but if that's your limit for sacking managers then we'll have a new manager every season.

And I'm sure you'll crap on nebulously about other games we've played badly in but the fact is the table doesn't lie. We're 5th because we deserve to be.

 

[adiepf]

I have said repeatedly that this is not just about last night it is about fulham in the cup, West Ham, Wolves, Wigan, Blackpool in the league, our non scoring strikers and why they are not scoring, why Niko isn't getting a look in despite scoring 2 winners, it is also about dithering in the transfer market, it is about why we can't perform against minnows, it is about strange tactics and formations, last night is about 10% of it at best.

You would almost think with the reaction that I had walked into a mosque and called Mohammed a paedophile not questioned Harry's ability to get us out of a freefall.

this is the best post this year bar none!

 

[Azrael]

Mourinho would be first choice but that would be pie in the sky admittedly but I would choose one from

Villas Boas
Van Gaal
Coyle

Jose has a soft spot for us I think he would put in a good word for us to Villas Boas, Van Gaal is out of work at the moment and has a great track record in Europe and Coyle would bring fresh ideas to us and attacking football.

Are you saying all these people are available?

Coyle is the only one we could realistically get over the summer and he has far less management experience than Harry and have never been anywhere near Europe, so he is not an upgrade on Harry.

So basically what you are saying is sack Harry and bring in someone with far less experience. That's pure crazy stuff.

 

[Maske2g]

Some of this is correct but some of it I dont agree with.

Bringing on Defoe was correct IMO. VDV looked off the pace and was completely ineffectual, moving him right wouldn't of changed much, he still looks unfit to me. The reasoning behind bringing Defoe on was to exploit the space behing Madrid's high line...he has the pace to do this.

Pace? What pace?

Pepe gave him a yard start and then made him look like he was running in quick sand.

he looks quick cos he has little legs... he cover NO ground.

 

[Maske2g]

Totally agree. I'm not Defoe's biggest fan by some stretch, but we desperately needed more pace and I was hoping for the same change at HT.

Where did this illusion of Pace come from?

Did only half of us see Pepe monster him for pace last night?

He is slow, in every aspect of the word.

 

[Azrael]

Defoe had pace once, but he's lost some of it so I don't buy the pace argument. Plus, basics, is it really realistic who play a player who has managed so few goals this season when you are trying to defend to give yourself a chance in the return leg. If Defoe can't score against bottom of the table sides did Harry really think he was going to do the business with 10 men against RM?

I find the substitution utterly baffling, but ultimately it's a seperate issue from the OP.

 

[tttcowan]

Oh just fuck off and go and support manure you ungrateful shower of dicks.

 

[Azrael]

Oh just fuck off and go and support manure you ungrateful shower of dicks.

Charming.

 

[Spurger King]

Oh just fuck off and go and support manure you ungrateful shower of dicks.

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