Tottenham hand transfers control to manager Mauricio Pochettino...

[thinktank]

He's a computer geek. He writes algorithms to predict future performance levels of players. He's built his own supped-up Football Manager.

He doesn't have a strategic overview though, nor much experience of watching players in the flesh.

This new techy side is very important, but it's just one component of Baldini's new team.

Rob Mackenzie and Stuart Metcalf are the same level as Mitchell/his peers.

Do you think Baldini will be having more sway than Mitchell over the pool of players we consider this summer???

I really don't think so.

 

[thinktank]

Do you know who Ismail Azzaoui, Musa Yahaya and Rares Lazar are?

Some of Baldini's recent 'ones for the future' signings.

He's definitely still active in the field.

I guess we'll soon see.

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

Dangerous indeed. Who will take the blame if a new summer of signings goes wrong? Pochettino was already dependant on a good transfer window, but now his very destiny will be sealed when the window closes. I really hope this will be a good summer.

I'm puzzled about the sentence stating that up to 7 players are up for grabs. That sounds a bit too few to me. If that was the case, surely more players would feature frequently by now? 9-10-11 players would make more sense, based on how the squad is being used.

 

[StartingPrice]

I don't like coaches being too involved in HR - it's not their specialism. I'd much rather they focused on our own squad, than had any sort of detailed knowledge about other clubs' players.

I think this is typical 'pie & chips' DoF hate from the red tops. We've had one for 25 years now, but the neanderthals still try and dig the knife in at any opportunity

They have an absolute need to have one person as responsible for signings - anything else confuses their understanding. I would say that person is the manager (Head Coach), but that is only with successful signings - it's always a Levy signing, or a Baldini signing, or a Transfer Committee signing when the player doesn't work out.

AVB and Pochettino know the deal absolutely when they us - they are Head Coaches.

The idea that AVB didn't sign off on the Bale money players has been dismissed by his journalist mouthpiece in English football. We were gazzumped over Oscar and William, no-one could help that; Levy has been proven right, to my mind, in refusing to pay the inflated fee for Leandro; AVB wanted Hulk and, apart from general considerations against it, Zenit were quoting crazy money - £75 to £85 million if I remember correctly.

 

[SHaRD]

Do you think Baldini will be having more sway than Mitchell over the pool of players we consider this summer???

I really don't think so.

Of course. Baldini is DoF, whereas Mitchell is just a technical analysist. Mitchell will run the stats, but Baldini is the guy who has to go to the transfer committee with the final names.

I'm puzzled about the sentence stating that up to 7 players are up for grabs. That sounds a bit too few to me. If that was the case, surely more players would feature frequently by now? 9-10-11 players would make more sense, based on how the squad is being used.

3-4 of the players on the 'outs' list are out of contract - Friedel, Khumalo, Ceballos and, according to some reports, Kaboul.

There's also the possibility that some of our players out on loan have permanent deals already in place - Holtby, Carroll and Lennon

So, without needing to do anything that's 6/7 already gone, leaving just the 6/7 big ones to sell -Chiriches, Capoue, Dembele, Paulinho, Adebayor, Soldado and maybe Kaboul

 

[thinktank]

Of course. Baldini is DoF, whereas Mitchell is just a technical analysist. Mitchell will run the stats, but Baldini is the guy who has to go to the transfer committee with the final names.

The names that Mitchell and poch come up with. That's how it's going to work this time.

 

[dagraham]

At no other club would "manager gets to buy own players" be a headline. No idea why we have to make sure a convoluted mess of things.

Absolutely this. It's fucking laughable that it's taken so long to even come to this conclusion.

What next?..... "After a long battle, Spurs have finally given the green light for players to give a shit"

Anyway, I suspect the control will be something like :

Levy : "Hey Poch, you now have full control. You can choose absolutely any one of these mediocre, cheap players. Straight up."

Poch : "Cheers Danny. It means a lot to me."

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

Of course. Baldini is DoF, whereas Mitchell is just a technical analysist. Mitchell will run the stats, but Baldini is the guy who has to go to the transfer committee with the final names.




3-4 of the players on the 'outs' list are out of contract - Friedel, Khumalo, Ceballos and, according to some reports, Kaboul.

There's also the possibility that some of our players out on loan have permanent deals already in place - Holtby, Carroll and Lennon

So, without needing to do anything that's 6/7 already gone, leaving just the 6/7 big ones to sell -Chiriches, Capoue, Dembele, Paulinho, Adebayor, Soldado and maybe Kaboul

Of course, if you calculate like that it makes sense. But that's a total of up to 14 for grabs, not 7, which is a huge difference.

 

[jonnyp]

I'll believe it when I see it. To be fair regarding AVB's targets we did try to sign those 4 players. Chelsea beat us to Oscar and Willian, while the Moutinho deal fell through at the last moment due to 3rd parties, and Leandro dragged on forever and seems to be another 3rd party ownership issue.

I guess Baldini still remains the man to try and tie these deals up and I think he did a good job with the likes of Lamela and Soldado. As long as Poch identifies who he wants with Mitchell advising him and Baldini closing the deal. All it requires is Daniel Levy refusing to pay the transfer fee and scrambling for an alternative

Really?

 

[SHaRD]

The names that Mitchell and poch come up with. That's how it's going to work this time.

But neither of them watch other teams/players that much.

One of Poch's assistants does opposition scouting, so he even delegates watching the teams we are about to play to someone more suitable.

And Mitchell does algorithms and databases - informing who we go and then watch, but not deciding anything.

 

[mil1lion]

Really?

Yes in the sense of signing them I mean. They were the players we wanted and Baldini helped get them in. I don't necessarily agree they were the right players for us but Baldini seems to have a good way when it comes to aqcuiring talent. As long as Pochettino identifies the players he wants then I'm confident Baldini will help to try and get them in.

Besides we were all very excited about those signings. It's always a risk bringing players to a new league so never easy to tell who will do well in England and who wont.

 

[Mullers]

I don't think any of our managers have had players they don't want
Non story for me

You think AVB wanted Dembele and Dempsey do you?

 

[Mullers]

AVB forgot he had moved from Chelsea.

It seems to have rubbed off on some fans. For example, we buy Dele Alli and Chelsea buy Pogba.......we must all try to get used to it.

He didn't forget, Levy was just bullshitting him and broke promises.

 

[thinktank]

But neither of them watch other teams/players that much.

One of Poch's assistants does opposition scouting, so he even delegates watching the teams we are about to play to someone more suitable.

And Mitchell does algorithms and databases - informing who we go and then watch, but not deciding anything.

It's a question of influence. If you think Baldini is going to be trusted with influencing this summer's transfers beyond being asked to go and hook them in, then that's a very strange view you hold.

 

[talkshowhost86]

This completely makes sense in terms of identifying targets, rather than imposing players on a manager.

But it obviously doesn't take out the Levy factor, both in terms of getting the deals done, and in selling players at a sensible price in order to give us squad space and funds.

It will help, but I suspect it won't necessarily speed things up.

 

[chinaman]

Talking about speeding things up, we may have too many cooks for that to happen.

 

[Mullers]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/footb...tenham-hand-transfers-control-manager-5640849

He isn't handing over anything, it's just an illusion. If no fucker will take Adebayor, Kaboul, Soldado, Paulinho etc they are staying at the club. If the targets are too expensive he will be forced to seek cheaper target.
Levy will still take ages to sort out some deals and will be more than likely doing his last minute transfer window peekaboo trick which 9 times out of 10 ends in failure.

 

[Farms14]

Paul Mitchell is "HEAD of recruitment and Analysis" This does not put him in the same bracket as just the other scouts. It's in his title "HEAD" Yes for now he is working under Baldini but let's be honest, how much longer is Baldini going to be around?

 

[mjay]

It's a question of influence. If you think Baldini is going to be trusted with influencing this summer's transfers beyond being asked to go and hook them in, then that's a very strange view you hold.

I think the key point to be remembered is Paul Mitchell is an Analysis man(Head of Recruitment and Analysis).
From whatever info Shard the following is what I believe is Mitchell's role

1. He is not exactly a computer geek as he does not program .
   
2. He is more like the guy who uses excel and other tools like Tableau.
3. He is what we could call a subject matter expert in the IT industry. He understands what the managers want and translates it into the programming world.
4. What he is trying to develop is more like a bespoke football manager , only thing is he is making it better by using either his own algorithms or algorithms which are able to make better predictions than the FM .
5. So , Baldini is still the main guy but Mitchell's work gives a better way of predicting a player's progression and he wishes to be a DOF like Baldini in the future.

 

[yankspurs]

I think the key point to be remembered is Paul Mitchell is an Analysis man(Head of Recruitment and Analysis).
From whatever info Shard the following is what I believe is Mitchell's role

1. He is not exactly a computer geek as he does not program .
   
2. He is more like the guy who uses excel and other tools like Tableau.
3. He is what we could call a subject matter expert in the IT industry. He understands what the managers want and translates it into the programming world.
4. What he is trying to develop is more like a bespoke football manager , only thing is he is making it better by using either his own algorithms or algorithms which are able to make better predictions than the FM .
5. So , Baldini is still the main guy but Mitchell's work gives a better way of predicting a player's progression and he wishes to be a DOF like Baldini in the future.

Exactly. I dont get what is so hard for people to understand about this, really. Its baffling. Mitchell is a scout. Nothing more. Nothing less. If anything, his role reduces Broomfield's responsibilites. We revampled our scouting network. Also, Caplehorn is not there to replace Baldini. Hate to break it to you people but an accountant from QPR is probably not the negotiator/shmoozing type.

Baldini has been made into the latest scapegoat for the Bale window by the club and the bsodl's, which is why everyone thinks he's on the outs. First it was Andre. Now its Baldini. Just another fall guy in a long line of them. At what point will people realize who the problem actually is? Buck stops somewhere people, and it sure as hell isnt the 9th manager in umpteen years or the 3rd or 4th director of football.