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joseph

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Aug 20, 2013
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Looking forward to welcoming 'not Danny Rose' to our club.
It appears you are more interested in getting rid of Danny Rose than whoever the new left back is. From your usual "rose posts" i guess i can even infer you really abhor the guy. Can't be healthy.......for your sake i hope we sell him.
 

Shanks

Kinda not anymore....
May 11, 2005
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Let's not forget that Poch done wonders for Shaw. Shame rose hasn't got the fight in him, but I understand his need to play.
 

Yid

Well Endowed Member
Jul 5, 2013
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Afternoon, my dear Yiddos and Yidettes! :)

I stumbled upon a very interesting narrative ((written by a journo with supposed scouser allegiance, called Fortune Achonna)) a couple of days ago in regards to Ben Davies, utilising statistical data from whoscored.com.

Not sure if it's been posted before, but for those who question BD's abilities and would rather have had someone like Shaw, apparently the gap in quality between the two isn't that huge...Au contraire - it is quite minimal indeed....Here is an excerpt from the aforesaid July 16th report entitled "How does Ben Davies compare against Luke Shaw?", as follows:

http://www.scooponthecity.com/liverpool/how-does-ben-davies-compare-against-luke-shaw

".....they ((probably meaning the Dippers)) have had an £8 million bid rejected for Swansea's Ben Davies. Rival fans immediately noticed the £22 million difference and asked the question: is Luke Shaw that much better than Ben Davies?

The answer is a resounding no! (The exclamation was added by me for extra emphasis :sorry:)

Defence:

In defence both Ben Davies and Luke Shaw recorded similar numbers in the Premier League last season.

In the tackle, Ben Davies and Luke Shaw posted near identical numbers. As per WhoScored, Davies won 2.2 tackles per game, whilst Shaw was slightly down with 2.1.

In terms of how they feared with the rest of the league: Jon Flanagan and Cesar Azpilicueta lead the left-backs with 3.4 tackles; Erik Pieters is second with 3.3 tackles; Leighton Baines and Gael Clichy are third with 2.9 tackles; Danny Rose is fourth with 2.6 tackles; Kieran Gibbs and Patrice Evra are fifth with 2.4 tackles; and finally, next up are Davies and Shaw in sixth and seventh.

In terms of interceptions, Ben Davies made far more than Luke Shaw, averaging 1.9 per game to Shaw's 1.1. However, Shaw counteracts this by being harder to go past; Shaw was dribbled around 0.6 times in comparison to Davies' 1.6.

Despite the massive disparity, Davies and Shaw are actually quite even on this front. Shaw makes less interceptions because he doesn't need to be on the front foot all the time - he has Morgan Schneiderlin and Victor Wanyama covering him.

The same cannot be said of Davies who does not have a designated defensive midfielder in front of him. As a result, he has to step forward to retrieve the ball far more than Shaw has to, leaving himself open.

To put it into context, Schneiderlin made 3.4 tackles and 2.1 interceptions compared to Leon Britton's total of 1.5 tackles and 2 interceptions.

Wanyama made 2.8 tackles and 1.4 interceptions which dwarfs Jonathan De Guzman's 1.2 tackles and 0.8 interceptions.


Attacking:

In attack Luke Shaw enjoys a definitive advantage over Ben Davies as a result of his greater athleticism. When it comes to dribbling, Luke Shaw completed 1.6 dribbles per game - far higher than Ben Davies total of 0.4.

In fact, at an average of 1.6, Luke Shaw is the 11th best dribbler in the Premier League, completing more than the likes of Willian, Wayne Rooney and Samir Nasri.

Consequentially, Shaw has more shots on goal (0.7 per game), compared to Davies (0.3); is fouled more (1.3) compared to Davies (0.7) and has more key passes (1) compared to Davies (0.9).

Having said all that, Luke Shaw is less productive in front of goal. Shaw has never scored a goal in the Premier League despite having 34 shots, meanwhile Davies has scored 3 goals (twice last season) with only 18 shots.

As for assists, Shaw only has only has one (last season), whereas Davies has three (once last season).


Possession:

A major reason why Ben Davies is able to be more efficient in front of goal, despite having less in his locker is due to his superior in-game intelligence.

Ben Davies was dispossessed on an average of 0.5 times last season, for Luke Shaw this total rockets up to 1.3. Likewise, when it comes to turnovers, Davies has lost the ball 0.8 times, whilst Shaw isn't too far behind on 0.9.

Only Kieran Gibbs, Gael Clichy and Aleksandar Kolarov kept the ball more safely than Davies did at left back.

More alarmingly, Shaw's passing accuracy is quite wayward. He achieved a 79.1% passing accuracy from an average of 40.1 passes per game. In comparison, Davies had a far greater passing accuracy of 84.3% from an average of 48.6 passes.

Of all the left-backs in the Premier League, only Gael Clichy and Leighton Baines passed the ball more securely than Davies. And only Clichy attempted more passes than Davies.

This is more pronounced as Southampton were the Premier League's best in possession with 58.6%, albeit Swansea were third with 57.3%.

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Overall, the statistics have shown there is little to chose between the two left-backs, and if Liverpool could secure the transfer of Davies, they would be getting one of the Premier League's top left-backs.

There is little to suggest why there is a £22 million price differential between Luke Shaw and Ben Davies. One thought is that Shaw (19) is two years younger than Davies (21).


Secondly, Shaw is likely to play competitive international fixtures for England whilst Davies in all likelihood won't with Wales.

Finally, Shaw seems to have more natural ability than Davies, who simply uses the ball more intelligently and economically. If Shaw was the incorporate those facets into his game, he could become one of the best left backs in the world.

*Statistics courtesy of WhoScored*"
COYS! ;)

PS. Apologies in advance for the lengthy post.
 
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Syn_13

Fly On, Little Wing
Jul 17, 2008
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Afternoon, my dear Yiddos and Yidettes! :)

I stumbled upon a very interesting narrative ((written by a journo with supposed scouser allegiance, called Fortune Achonna)) a couple of days ago in regards to Ben Davies, utilising statistical data from whoscored.com.

Not sure if it's been posted before, but for those who question BD's abilities and would rather have had someone like Shaw, apparently the gap in quality between the two isn't that huge...Au contraire - it is quite minimal indeed....Here is an excerpt from the aforesaid July 16th report entitled "How does Ben Davies compare against Luke Shaw?", as follows:

http://www.scooponthecity.com/liverpool/how-does-ben-davies-compare-against-luke-shaw

".....they ((probably meaning the Dippers)) have had an £8 million bid rejected for Swansea's Ben Davies. Rival fans immediately noticed the £22 million difference and asked the question: is Luke Shaw that much better than Ben Davies?

The answer is a resounding no! (The exclamation was added by me for extra emphasis :sorry:)
Defence:

In defence both Ben Davies and Luke Shaw recorded similar numbers in the Premier League last season.

In the tackle, Ben Davies and Luke Shaw posted near identical numbers. As per WhoScored, Davies won 2.2 tackles per game, whilst Shaw was slightly down with 2.1.

In terms of how they feared with the rest of the league: Jon Flanagan and Cesar Azpilicueta lead the left-backs with 3.4 tackles; Erik Pieters is second with 3.3 tackles; Leighton Baines and Gael Clichy are third with 2.9 tackles; Danny Rose is fourth with 2.6 tackles; Kieran Gibbs and Patrice Evra are fifth with 2.4 tackles; and finally, next up are Davies and Shaw in sixth and seventh.

In terms of interceptions, Ben Davies made far more than Luke Shaw, averaging 1.9 per game to Shaw's 1.1. However, Shaw counteracts this by being harder to go past; Shaw was dribbled around 0.6 times in comparison to Davies' 1.6.

Despite the massive disparity, Davies and Shaw are actually quite even on this front. Shaw makes less interceptions because he doesn't need to be on the front foot all the time - he has Morgan Schneiderlin and Victor Wanyama covering him.

The same cannot be said of Davies who does not have a designated defensive midfielder in front of him. As a result, he has to step forward to retrieve the ball far more than Shaw has to, leaving himself open.

To put it into context, Schneiderlin made 3.4 tackles and 2.1 interceptions compared to Leon Britton's total of 1.5 tackles and 2 interceptions.

Wanyama made 2.8 tackles and 1.4 interceptions which dwarfs Jonathan De Guzman's 1.2 tackles and 0.8 interceptions.


Attacking:

In attack Luke Shaw enjoys a definitive advantage over Ben Davies as a result of his greater athleticism. When it comes to dribbling, Luke Shaw completed 1.6 dribbles per game - far higher than Ben Davies total of 0.4.

In fact, at an average of 1.6, Luke Shaw is the 11th best dribbler in the Premier League, completing more than the likes of Willian, Wayne Rooney and Samir Nasri.

Consequentially, Shaw has more shots on goal (0.7 per game), compared to Davies (0.3); is fouled more (1.3) compared to Davies (0.7) and has more key passes (1) compared to Davies (0.9).

Having said all that, Luke Shaw is less productive in front of goal. Shaw has never scored a goal in the Premier League despite having 34 shots, meanwhile Davies has scored 3 goals (twice last season) with only 18 shots.

As for assists, Shaw only has only has one (last season), whereas Davies has three (once last season).


Possession:

A major reason why Ben Davies is able to be more efficient in front of goal, despite having less in his locker is due to his superior in-game intelligence.

Ben Davies was dispossessed on an average of 0.5 times last season, for Luke Shaw this total rockets up to 1.3. Likewise, when it comes to turnovers, Davies has lost the ball 0.8 times, whilst Shaw isn't too far behind on 0.9.

Only Kieran Gibbs, Gael Clichy and Aleksandar Kolarov kept the ball more safely than Davies did at left back.

More alarmingly, Shaw's passing accuracy is quite wayward. He achieved a 79.1% passing accuracy from an average of 40.1 passes per game. In comparison, Davies had a far greater passing accuracy of 84.3% from an average of 48.6 passes.

Of all the left-backs in the Premier League, only Gael Clichy and Leighton Baines passed the ball more securely than Davies. And only Clichy attempted more passes than Davies.

This is more pronounced as Southampton were the Premier League's best in possession with 58.6%, albeit Swansea were third with 57.3%.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


Overall, the statistics have shown there is little to chose between the two left-backs, and if Liverpool could secure the transfer of Davies, they would be getting one of the Premier League's top left-backs.

There is little to suggest why there is a £22 million price differential between Luke Shaw and Ben Davies. One thought is that Shaw (19) is two years younger than Davies (21).


Secondly, Shaw is likely to play competitive international fixtures for England whilst Davies in all likelihood won't with Wales.

Finally, Shaw seems to have more natural ability than Davies, who simply uses the ball more intelligently and economically. If Shaw was the incorporate those facets into his game, he could become one of the best left backs in the world.

*Statistics courtesy of WhoScored*


COYS! ;)

A Liverpool supporting journalist you say?

Can't wait for next week's article. "Ben Davies is a pile of dog poo and we were never interested in him anyway."
 

YidNick

Well-Known Member
Aug 1, 2013
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Is that Ben Davies next to the guy inbetween Lamela and the guy in white?

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