Tottenham Vs WBA: Match Thread

[VanDerBurr]

I don't get why everyone thinks Harry played 4-4-2 ?? More often than not VDV played as a number 10

 

[OnTheUp]

You fucking what? Get the fuck out of this forum

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[LeSoupeKitchen]

Anyone see MOTD? Did they talk about the reid tackle and walkers yellow?

 

[knilly]

I don't get why everyone thinks Harry played 4-4-2 ?? More often than not VDV played as a number 10

Ah why not bend the truth to fit the agenda? sometimes we are laughable, and will soon run out of managers to not support lol

 

[Redfap]

I thought our loss yesterday was to do more with a few woeful individual displays than anything to blame tim on. Chadli deserved a start but was dismal yesterday, similarly vlad (who I love) was shocking. Sig anonymous in the 2nd half. I actually think the shape has seen sold ado furthered involved and he has a bag of goals coming soon if he continues to play in front of Eriksen and ade. Stay positive.

 

[Blackcanary]

I thought our loss yesterday was to do more with a few woeful individual displays than anything to blame tim on. Chadli deserved a start but was dismal yesterday, similarly vlad (who I love) was shocking. Sig anonymous in the 2nd half. I actually think the shape has seen sold ado furthered involved and he has a bag of goals coming soon if he continues to play in front of Eriksen and ade. Stay positive.

Vlad was diabolical. I wonder whether it's no coincidence that he was the newbie who seemed to settle in quickest initially - perhaps either he specifically, or baby defenders in general, really do benefit from being given strict instructions tactically rather than being told to go out and express themselves?

 

[Monkey boy]

This was my main thought whilst watching the game. Countless second balls fell kindly for WBA defenders in their box today, and not to mention the fact that we should have been playing against 10 men for 20-25 minutes.


I do think people get unnecessarily upset on here. When you look at the situation we're in, with one win at home since mid-September, a recent change in our managerial team, 8 first team regulars (5 of whom I'd consider starters) unavailable due to injury/suspension. We're not exactly going to be able to turn it around in a couple of days. It wasn't particularly pretty today, but I'm definitely seeing improvements in some areas of the pitch. I just hope other areas will also improve when our playing staff gradually start to return to action.

I haven't seen the game at all but really hope that your assessment is correct. Most of what I've read here is how poor we were and see no improvement on our attacking play.

 

[OnTheUp]

I thought our loss yesterday was to do more with a few woeful individual displays than anything to blame tim on. Chadli deserved a start but was dismal yesterday, similarly vlad (who I love) was shocking. Sig anonymous in the 2nd half. I actually think the shape has seen sold ado furthered involved and he has a bag of goals coming soon if he continues to play in front of Eriksen and ade. Stay positive.

Erm, we didn't lose!

This post pretty much sums up the irrational and spiteful dislike of Tim Sherwood from a small but vocal section of so called Spurs fans. After 50 odd pages, nobody has been able to explain why AVB should have been given all the time he wanted despite losing 3 nil and 5 nil at home to teams we finished above last year, whereas Tim hasn't lost a league game yet but should be replaced after less than a week in charge! Those that go on about Sherwood backstabbing AVB are complete tools. Tim was not responsible for the most boring performances I've ever seen a Spurs team play, completely against the clubs traditions. Nor was Tim responsible for the shocking defeats we had against teams we should be beating (Man City aside).

It's these small but vocal so called fans who really are what drags this club down. They're always willing to support and give time to a manager who overseas a period of decline, but it's okay because he's handsome, uses big words and comes from another country. Not that any of those traits are bad, it's just they're not what fans should be looking for in a manager if they want to see their club win trophies. The traits you do want to see are hunger, desire to win, belief in your own and your colleagues abilities and the confidence to lead. So far Tim has shown all of the latter. Unfortunately for him though, he's cock eyed and speaks with a cockney accent. Wish the haters on here had the balls to admit this is why they don't want Tim managing the team rather than making up results and inventing other criticisms to support the idea Tim isn't capable.

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

I thought our loss yesterday was to do more with a few woeful individual displays than anything to blame tim on. Chadli deserved a start but was dismal yesterday, similarly vlad (who I love) was shocking. Sig anonymous in the 2nd half. I actually think the shape has seen sold ado furthered involved and he has a bag of goals coming soon if he continues to play in front of Eriksen and ade. Stay positive.

I disagree. Players were asked to perform in a tactical mess. That's why they played poorly.

Holtby and Eriksen are number 10's but instead they were asked operate as box to box mids in a 442 so spent half their time chasing shadows rather than what they're good at - creating goal scoring opportunities.

Chirches and Dawson had zero protection in front of them so were caught in two minds to stick or twist as our defence was overwhelmed by west broms strikers and runners from midfield.

Chadli is not a right winger.

Soldado spent most of his time running the channels when he should be in the penalty box.

Ade obviously thinks he has place in the team back so can't be fucked.

Overall it's an absolute shambles. Shitwood needs to stop trying to be the anti-AVB and try employing some tactics. If he wants us to press high up the pitch and hit the opposition with wave after wave of attack - as he said in his post match interview- then we have to play 433 or 4231 so the right amount of attackers can flood the right areas of the pitch. Not a wide open 442.

Again like he mentioned in his post match interview - if he doesn't want the game to turn into a "basket ball match" then we need a defensive midfielder. To give us some platform to build from.

I think it's pretty well documented that I never wanted Tim anywhere near the managers position after seeing us crash out of the league cup playing like an over excited Sunday league side. He's our manager now though so he better start learning quickly.

He seems to have developed his philosophy in direct opposition to what AVB was doing. The fact is Andre had a pretty sound philosophy it just needed tweaking slightly. For the good of our season I hope Tim realises this because right now he's managing like a poster from SC trying to get the team playing the mythical 'spurs way'.

 

[OnTheUp]

You fucking what? Get the fuck out of this forum

Okay, site admins, if you're not going to do anything about this aggressive post allow me to retort in a similar vein.

....are you gonna make me you fucking mug?

 

[Breezer]

I thought our loss yesterday was to do more with a few woeful individual displays than anything to blame tim on. Chadli deserved a start but was dismal yesterday, similarly vlad (who I love) was shocking. Sig anonymous in the 2nd half. I actually think the shape has seen sold ado furthered involved and he has a bag of goals coming soon if he continues to play in front of Eriksen and ade. Stay positive.

I hate to break it to you but we didn't lose!

 

[CrazyHeart]

Have to agree, smacks of nepotism to me.

Alan Sugar wanted AVB out, with Sherwood and Ferdinand in charge. Looks like he got his wish.

Edit : Spam me all you want buddy, it's the truth! Jeez...

 

[Japhet]

Vlad was diabolical. I wonder whether it's no coincidence that he was the newbie who seemed to settle in quickest initially - perhaps either he specifically, or baby defenders in general, really do benefit from being given strict instructions tactically rather than being told to go out and express themselves?

When it comes off for players like Vlad they look superb, but get it wrong and they look hopeless. The main thing for me though is that Dawson was only ever really good alongside Ledley, and although he has great courage and commitment I think he is pretty inept at bossing the back 4. We desperately need Vertonghen back at CB and with Rose now fit I'd expect some major improvement. Iposted in another thread that I can't understand Dawson being Captain when to my mind he's 3rd or maybe 4th choice CB when all are fit.

 

[CrazyHeart]

AVB is laughing his ass off at Levy and Sherwood right now and rightfully so.

I hear you, but AVB's got too much class for something like that. I think AVB is undergoing genuine concern at what his former players could be subjected to the rest of this season, like the rest of us.

I really hope Levy knows what he's doing and TS turns things around. At least he's a major step up from Hoddle.

 

[CowInAComa]

I understand grammar and it was semi in jest highlighting the risk part. However, he hasn't recognised in any quotes the frailties and if he thinks the problem was taking more risks whilst in the final third then Lord give me strength.

he has recognised the risks, watch his post match interview, he said it ended up as a basketball match and thats not what he wants and that he wants us to press high up the pitch and maintain possession in their half.

The comment about attacking risks is in recognition of our trouble breaking through massed defence.

 

[Misfit]

I hear you, but AVB's got too much class for something like that. I think AVB undergoing genuine concern at what his former players could be subjected to the rest of this season, like the rest of us.

I really hope Levy knows what he's doing and TS turns things around. At least he's a major step up from Hoddle.

He's a complete unknown. Of course one could think Hoddle such a bad coach that anyone but would be considered a major step up but in empirical terms, it's rubbish. TS has zero coaching experience at this level and minimal coaching experience at any level.

We'll know with time if TS is a step up, of any shade, but to say that now merely tells anyone reading that you think Ghodd is a gonk of a coach. Which is a little unfair imo. Glenda's been out of the game for a long time and wouldn't be my choice having said all that. TS even less so.

Sit back and relax at this point. Worst comes to it, we lose some game. Big whoop.

 

[CrazyHeart]

He's a complete unknown. Of course one could think Hoddle such a bad coach that anyone but would be considered a major step up but in empirical terms, it's rubbish. TS has zero coaching experience at this level and minimal coaching experience at any level.

We'll know with time if TS is a step up, of any shade, but to say that now merely tells anyone reading that you think Ghodd is a gonk of a coach. Which is a little unfair imo. Glenda's been out of the game for a long time and wouldn't be my choice having said all that. TS even less so.

Sit back and relax at this point. Worst comes to it, we lose some game. Big whoop.

I have inside info.

 

[CowInAComa]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/25502002
Read
Its been three games and we have conceded 5.
Tim says nothing about needing Sandro back, more of playing triangles up the pitch.
Looking at any game and saying we dont need DM is tactically naive no matter how you look at it.

AvB conceded 13 in his last four games. So that stat is wank.

That said, Im not keen on that lack of a ball winner either, but Sandro's availability will improve that immeasurably. If he doesnt pick Sandro then he is for it.

 

[Moose Malloy]

Anyone see MOTD? Did they talk about the reid tackle and walkers yellow?

They didn't talk about our match at all. We were last in the program, then Gary Lineker announced they had run out of time, let's have a look a the table ( ) and good-night all.

The last time we were on MOTD - Southampton methinks - there was no analysis either IIRC.

 

[Ribble]

he has recognised the risks, watch his post match interview, he said it ended up as a basketball match and thats not what he wants and that he wants us to press high up the pitch and maintain possession in their half.

This is good, hopefully he'll realise that the way to do that isn't with 2 attacking CMs in a 4-4-2.