Transfers: Who Will We Sign?

[Pringle]

I don't know where people get this idea about the CL, perhaps because it's suggested so much people accept it as fact. We signed better players when we weren't in the CL. Most players are either after the highest bidder or they want a club with good prospects.



Pav is better than Adebayor. His shooting accuracy was very good and he wasn't afraid to shoot. If he'd been given a good run in the team he could have been even better.



That doesn't tell the whole story though. How many chances did he waste? We're creating more chances than ever but we're wasting a lot more too. I'm not knocking Adebayor he's decent but he's far too wasteful, the main reason he got so many assists was he passed when he should have shot.

That comment there is without doubt the dumbest post i have read since being on this site. The main reason he got assists is because he should have shot? You are aware the assist led to a goal? So you are saying he shouldnt have set up a goal, he should have taken a shot instead? WOW! The next time Xavi lays on a great ball for Messi to score, I am going to point out that it wasnt very good as he should have shot

 

[camaj]

I don't know how many chances he had in those 2 games, however I doubt with 3 goals in 2 he would have had a crazily low hit rate. Especially as if I remember correctly Wolves had us on the rack for large periods up there and we were creating very little.

Do you remember it differently?

Yes, I was going crazy at all the sitters he was fluffing. I wasn't convinced when we signed him and he wasn't doing much to change my mind. It was a relief when he did score but I was reminded of Crouch when we beat Wigan 9-1, he missed a hat-trick of chances before opening the scoring and yet Defoe was clinical that day and got 5 from arguably harder chances. You could say "but Crouch scored in that game" and conclude that he did well but a strikers job is to convert as many of those chances as possible. I said at the time it was fine but we can't afford to be so wasteful because you don't get so many opportunities usually and as the season went on we were creating fewer and fewer chances as teams parked the bus.

I don't want to make it sound like Adebayor is awful or anything, he's leagues ahead of Peter Crouch who went weeks or even months without a goal but I think people are over rating him. Perhaps it's because we feared him when he played for Arsenal, if we had that Adebayor I wouldn't be so concerned.

 

[camaj]

That comment there is without doubt the dumbest post i have read since being on this site.

I suggest you read your comment then because that's far worse. You seem to have misunderstood what I wrote and instead of working it out assumed you had got it right the first time. No player knows what's going to happen when they pass, but if a player is in a great position 10 times but chickens out and passes it each time and one of those times it results in a goal it does not mean that the player did the right thing by passing. Instead of thinking it's 1 assist, think it's 9 fewer goals

 

[Pringle]

I suggest you read your comment then because that's far worse. You seem to have misunderstood what I wrote and instead of working it out assumed you had got it right the first time. No player knows what's going to happen when they pass, but if a player is in a great position 10 times but chickens out and passes it each time and one of those times it results in a goal it does not mean that the player did the right thing by passing. Instead of thinking it's 1 assist, think it's 9 fewer goals

You still aint got it - you were criticising someones assists record because they didnt shoot. What makes a good player is the ability to decide when to pass and when to shoot. He clearly chose the right option on those ocassions. IF you had said "he would score more if he shot more rather than passing" then fair enough - but u didnt. You said his assists are only high because he passed when he should have shot - that is incorrect. The fact you rate Pav higher than Ade says so much already though.

 

[vegassd]

Slightly faulty reasoning. Yes you would miss more in absolute terms but clearly I'm talking about percentages. The team are creating the chances, it's the strikers job to put those chances away and to find the space to receive the ball. The choice is between a striker that has the same number of chances and can finish 1 in 5 chances and one that can finish 3 in 5.

Let's be clear mate - no striker on the planet puts away 3 in 5 chances. My point was I'll have a 1 in 10 striker who creates 10 a match over a 1 in 5 striker who only creates 5 every 2 matches.

The misses will increase in relative terms because some of the chances won't be very clear cut. I can think of many times when Adebayor was surrounded by 2 or 3 defenders yet would still be able to get the ball out of his feet and get some sort of shot away. It goes down as a miss, but somebody like Pav would never have been able to make the shot in the first place.

Don't forget as well, that you can only miss a chance if you were in the right area to have the chance in the first place. I would personally give Pav a better chance in a one-on-one situation than Ade, but Ade has the ability to create a lot more of those situations.

Pav could hit an awesome shot from just outside the box. He would score a good percentage of them. But during 90 minutes he just wouldn't create that many chances. And he didn't offer much else beyond that, so he didn't have great overall production for the team. Conversion rates and accuracy are less important than goal production, which in turn is less important than overall production.

For years we had great strikers but we had a weak midfield so we didn't create many chances. Now we have a great midfield but we just don't put those chances away. At the start of the season Adebayor had a crazily low hit rate then he changed to just passing more often than not so his shots/goals ratio improved but the number of chances he put away didn't.

The number of chances that he put away was greater than Pav ever reached with us. There was a reason that Ade started the league games and Pav rarely got a look in.

And in my opinion it's not quite as simple as the midfielders creating the chances and the strikers scoring them. It's the whole team who have to work together. Strikers will score most of the goals of course, but you can't just stick strikers with a good conversion rate in front of midfielders with good assist stats. It might work in a computer game but not in real life.

 

[We'llWinThePrem]

Imagine this:

Lloris​

Walker Kaboul Vertonghen Benny​

Sandro​

M'Vila Dembele​

Willian Adebayor Bale​

 

[YiddoBirdy]

Imagine this:

Lloris​

Walker Kaboul Vertonghen Benny​

Sandro​

M'Vila Dembele​

Willian Adebayor Bale​

We wont sign both M'Villa and Dembele we don't need both of them.

 

[ShelfSide18]

Imagine this:

Lloris​

Walker Kaboul Vertonghen Benny​

Sandro​

M'Vila Dembele​

Willian Adebayor Bale​

VDV walks into our team any day of the week, most teams in fact.

 

[camaj]

You still aint got it - you were criticising someones assists record because they didnt shoot. What makes a good player is the ability to decide when to pass and when to shoot. He clearly chose the right option on those ocassions. IF you had said "he would score more if he shot more rather than passing" then fair enough - but u didnt. You said his assists are only high because he passed when he should have shot - that is incorrect. The fact you rate Pav higher than Ade says so much already though.

I wasn't criticising his assists record as such. It's great. The problem is we don't want him assisting we want him taking the shots. Of course, we don't want someone who's too selfish and doesn't pass when someone is in a far better position but we also don't want someone who'll pass to someone in an inferior position because they don't want to take the shot. The reason his assists are so high is because he passes so much, naturally this means I think he would score more if he shot.

 

[Spurs_Bear]

VDV walks into our team any day of the week, most teams in fact.

Not ahead of Pav.

 

[Pat Rice Spurs fan]

Remy was a Harry choice rather than a Spurs choice.

I thought he was supposed to be a Levy money-ball buy, based on stats rather than anything else.

 

[Pat Rice Spurs fan]

I suggest you read your comment then because that's far worse. You seem to have misunderstood what I wrote and instead of working it out assumed you had got it right the first time. No player knows what's going to happen when they pass, but if a player is in a great position 10 times but chickens out and passes it each time and one of those times it results in a goal it does not mean that the player did the right thing by passing. Instead of thinking it's 1 assist, think it's 9 fewer goals

Surely you mean 9 fewer shots?

 

[Dan Yeats]

IN.
Dembele..can play in luka role next to sandro/parker or in an emergency up front so we wouldnt need a 4th striker.
Wilian..much needed quality competition for Bale and Azza and can play central too.
Remy..Would cover for Ade and can play on the right of a 3.
Lloris..Top keeper we so badly need

OUT.
Gomes .. can't rely on him,and the only keeper that would demand a fee,no room for sentiment.
Dawson .Really can't see him getting a look in, so we must take the money..again sad,but 9m sensible for us.
VDV..Seems to be unsettled,maybe pressure from family, but can see him leaving unfortunately,and i don't get the feeling AVB would stand in his way.i would be sad to see him go,but it looks very possible
Defoe..Not really suited to a 4-2-3-1, so i think good money will see him sold.

I'd be happy with the ins, but ideally I'd like Gomes and Daws to stay.

I know H-Lo is on his way out, but I think it's a waste as he's a very talented guy. He just needs the right coaching and confidence-building. For his own sake though it's probably best that he goes - I'm certain he'll be a huge success elsewhere, as he was before he joined us.

Daws is a leader, and a lionheart, as well as being a very good defender. I'd like out 4 CB options to be Kaboom, Verts, Daws and Caulker. I don't understand why we'd want to keep Gallas, who's an older a slower player in the same style as Daws, and ship Michael out.

We've got plenty of others we really need to get shot of, Jenas and Bentley being top of the list. I'd take a minimal fee for them, just to get them off the wage bill, and I think that either of them could do a good job for a newly-promoted side.

 

[Dan Yeats]

VDV walks into our team any day of the week, most teams in fact.

Not for a whole 90 though maybe.

 

[only1waddle]

IN.
Dembele..can play in luka role next to sandro/parker or in an emergency up front so we wouldnt need a 4th striker.
Wilian..much needed quality competition for Bale and Azza and can play central too.
Remy..Would cover for Ade and can play on the right of a 3.
Lloris..Top keeper we so badly need

OUT.
Gomes .. can't rely on him,and the only keeper that would demand a fee,no room for sentiment.
Dawson .Really can't see him getting a look in, so we must take the money..again sad,but 9m sensible for us.
VDV..Seems to be unsettled,maybe pressure from family, but can see him leaving unfortunately,and i don't get the feeling AVB would stand in his way.i would be sad to see him go,but it looks very possible
Defoe..Not really suited to a 4-2-3-1, so i think good money will see him sold.

Nearly, only way in this scenario we could let Rafa go would be to replace Remy on your list with someone of quality, otherwise Keep VDV..

 

[Dan Yeats]

I've just updated my signature, and that squad would make me very happy indeed. It would require 5 signings in the next three days though, so I'm not holding my breath lol.

 

[sim0n]

Would like:

Lloris
Moutinho
Afellay (loan)
Isco

Will get:

Lloris
Dembele

looks like Lloris is on the way, dembele maybe, and a lot of articles about willian, but nothing near done.

wanna see dembele, remy, biton, and afellay (loan)

 

[Spurs1960]

I've just updated my signature, and that squad would make me very happy indeed. It would require 5 signings in the next three days though, so I'm not holding my breath lol.

Good because we have sold Button to Charlton!

 

[Dan Yeats]

Good because we have sold Button to Charlton!

I think we're going to buy him back for half as much on Friday. It's Daniel Levy you know!

 

[Lachster the Yid]

Looking like Dembele, Lloris and Willian but would love to add Moutinho to that...

Actually think Dembele might be to replace VDV rather than Modric...