United drubbing a brutal reality check for Pochettino's work in progress side

[Spur4life]

We are not a light years away from CL.We made mistakes in the transfer market a couple of seasons ago and now we have too maybe take a big hit on players that we have like saldado,and ade.The core of are team is there with kane,mason,hugo,verts and nabil.Lets give poch a full summer transfer market and his style of football and see were it takes us.We also have a good acadamy and im preety sure poch is looking into maybe bring one or two of them into the first team next season.

 

[Gaz_Gammon]

frankly that makes zero sense.
We are 6 points from 4th, 8 points from 2nd (and each of those teams have spent hundreds of millions more than us). Our very small trusted group of young players have played about 15 games more than Utd.
IF Poch gets 1-2 players he wants/ needs (that is Morgan S, a back up striker of some worth and maybe Jay Rod) and a full preseason, the lads will have in with a big chance of CL.

Pity that you must have missed a very ordinary fourth placed Yanited side cruise past the number one lineup that Poch likes to play.

The "very trusted" group of young players have as a team conceded more goals this season (and fourteen in the last six games) and currently have the sixth worst defensive record in the PL. Your answer to this obvious problem is to buy an attacking midfielder and a striker who hasn't kicked a ball in over a season.

Interesting indeed.

 

[DCSPUR]

Pity that you must have missed a very ordinary fourth placed Yanited side cruise past the number one lineup that Poch likes to play.

The "very trusted" group of young players have as a team conceded more goals this season (and fourteen in the last six games) and currently have the sixth worst defensive record in the PL. Your answer to this obvious problem is to buy an attacking midfielder and a striker who hasn't kicked a ball in over a season.

Interesting indeed.

I didn't miss that we had a shit day in the office.
I didn't miss that we are not "light years from CL" as you stated in the original post
I didn't miss the fact that basically the same team has got us to that spot and beaten Chelsea and Arsenal in the last 10 weeks.

You are dead wrong when you say we are far away from CL because the facts don't show that.

My comments about MS and JR and maybe a back up striker is reflective of some depth - which is something "very ordinary Yanited", City, Arsenal, Liverpool and Chelski have big time.

 

[Gaz_Gammon]

I didn't miss that we had a shit day in the office.
I didn't miss that we are not "light years from CL" as you stated in the original post
I didn't miss the fact that basically the same team has got us to that spot and beaten Chelsea and Arsenal in the last 10 weeks.

You are dead wrong when you say we are far away from CL because the facts don't show that.

My comments about MS and JR and maybe a back up striker is reflective of some depth - which is something "very ordinary Yanited", City, Arsenal, Liverpool and Chelski have big time.

We will end up this season with the worst defensive record of any Spurs side over the past six seasons. That's not "dead wrong". That's a nailed on fact, but then why let the facts get in the way of a good argument.

 

[pavvychenks]

I have no problem with where we are to be honest. The logical thing for us to do, given our comparative position to the establishment, is to take a long-term player development view. AVB/TS/MP are all attempts to do this in a way, and MP appears to have had the most success with it. It is a long-term strategy to make us competitive and sustainable despite lack of finance. We are doing fine all things considered. I'm amazed we keep looking like we might be close to the CL frankly. It would be great if we had some pacy wingers to create some space, but when we have been at it, with rotation of positions, full court press and constant movement, we have created space for goals to be scored. It will take time. I'm quite upbeat, as I don't think we are in a position where one capitulation means everyone involved will lose faith with the methodology employed. Partly because we have young players who we have indoctrinated into an approach.

 

[yiddopaul]

Wow. Before the united game, we were back on track, couple a great wins. One poor defeat in which, bizarrely non of our players performed and we're saying all is lost, doom, doom. Get a grip people!
We are not the finished product CLEARLY, but equally we are very much on the right track. We have the youngest most inexperienced squad in the prem, that are learning (We have more intelligent players than ever before – still some not-so-bright ones as well). This young group of players will get better. After this season, Poch will know exactly who to get rid of. And bring in a couple of additions.
At the beginning of the season, we'd have been well chuffed to still be close to fourth in the middle of March, considering the absolute mess we were in last season. IMO, Poch is the man to take us forward, with exciting young players breaking into the squad, and a season under their belt. The future is very bright.
So let's all stop behaving like petulant children who think we have a right to the top four.
COYS!

 

[slartibartfast]

="Gaz_Gammon, post: 4527087, member: 4349"well end up this season with the worst defensive record of any Spurs side over the past six seasons. That's not "dead wrong". That's a nailed on fact, but then why let the facts get in the way of a good argument.

Coupled with the fact we have arguably the best goalkeeper in the league that's a damning indictment of our defence.
Individually as players they're a long way off from being bad or even poor players but they're either not receiving decent basic instructions, have forgotten everything about defending they've ever learnt (which is what it looks like to be honest) or they're carrying out instructions as they're being told and what they're being told is bollox.
Our defending is so bad that without Lloris we'd be bottom half of the table imo.
Been saying it for months, we don't pick anybody up. Just all run towards the ball like bloody school kids.
You cant all run and pressure the guy with the ball and leave players unmarked in or around the goal area.
But we've been seeing the same defensive errors every game, week after week and that's poor on everbodys part, players and Poch.

 

[parklaneprince]

whilst there are positives with this season, the emergence of kane and mason the most obvious, the negatives are still there.
1] baldini
2] kaboul, adebayor, chiriches, capoue etc
3]walker and rose can't defend
4]players are too nice, not enough aggression
5]we lack a captain, someone who hates losing
6]if kane gets injured we are fucked

 

[DCSPUR]

We will end up this season with the worst defensive record of any Spurs side over the past six seasons. That's not "dead wrong". That's a nailed on fact, but then why let the facts get in the way of a good argument.

You have this tendency to conflate your arguments across posts:
My post: "You are dead wrong when you say we are far away from CL because the facts don't show that."
CLEAR ref to your original post - now you respond by suggesting the "dead wrong" statement was to do with an argument about def record.

Anyway - can't be bothered with this further.

COYS!

 

[Block D Spurs]

My true feelings?? We needed the 3 points to keep up top 4... Yes we are a work in progress, and therefore players need to understand the manager, and apply themselves 100%. Man Utd did score 3 goals from our errors, Dier...then Bad defending a corner, then Bentileb. There were 7 players not switched on for this game, so we lost. Poch. as i said before the game.. has to have tactical plan B & C and be quick enough to apply them. Yes Utd. did defend with 9 players at all times, nothing we have not delt with this season from other teams...

 

[Jonesey]

Some people's comments just show where their true feelings lie. ManU had three strikes on target and scored with each one; we gifted them two of the goals; and they played with ten men behind the ball at times, at Old Trafford. MP got it wrong by not playing Fazio; Bentaleb should have taken down Rooney; and we played around in midfield without any daring to go at the heart of their defence. The last issue was due to them being shot in terms of confidence. The injury to Walker has highlighted his weakness in defence, because he can't correct his mistakes so readily. Rose on the other hand has learnt and applied himself, such that on his own he can now marshall the left side better than before. So, unsurprisingly, a young team froze, but they will learn as will Poch. I hope Poch learns one thing from Mourinho: the game is for winning, and sometimes style needs to take second place.

Mate we didn't have a shot on target until the 89th minute. That, to me, is a problem - no matter whether you're playing an average Man U team or Real Madrid.

 

[Jonesey]

Mate we didn't have a shot on target until the 89th minute. That, to me, is a problem - no matter whether you're playing an average Man U team or Real Madrid.

And only Leicester (44), Burnley (47), Sunderland (43) and Newcastle (46) have let in more goals than us (42).

That is just as big a problem. If we make it into the Europa League it will be a miracle, let alone the Champions League.

And we probably have the easiest run-in of the top-7.

 

[Sweetsman]

Mate we didn't have a shot on target until the 89th minute. That, to me, is a problem - no matter whether you're playing an average Man U team or Real Madrid.

That means nothing, because they only had three.

 

[Jonesey]

That means nothing, because they only had three.

It means everything because all three went in! That's a 100% success rate. What the score have been if they'd had 8?

 

[TheChosenOne]

Man Who Nighted got some serious drubbings this season.

MK Dons anyone ?

 

[Sweetsman]

It means everything because all three went in! That's a 100% success rate. What the score have been if they'd had 8?

You don't extrapolate like that unless you are clueless. What is pertinent is that they only had three shots on target, which were all in the first half.

 

[Ginolas_Hair]

I think we've had a good season so far. Cup final, last 32 of Europa and still challenging (although maybe drifting out of sight) for top 4 in the first season under a new coach, blooding in our youngsters and with almost the same squad as last season.

I think there are more positives than negatives.

Personally, i think the instant success funded by multi-billionaire owners buying the worlds best players at inflated prices have skewed some fans thinking into the only way for a team to actually become successful.

Yes, it's bloody frustrating to see our best players leave for pastures new but a good manager within a well run club would find a replacement and allow them to earn their place in the team offering something new.

Other teams around the world (Southamptom, The Scum (red ones), Wolfsburg, Athletico Madrid, Dortmund, Napoli) cope year on year of selling individuals but molding a team capable of crashing the party given time.

From what I've seen so far, Poch is doing good and if Levy is willing to loosen those purse strings, even slightly, along with some wise recruitment, we might start crashing some parties in the near future as opposed to light years away.

COYS!

 

[Ginolas_Hair]

I think we've had a good season so far. Cup final, last 32 of Europa and still challenging (although maybe drifting out of sight) for top 4 in the first season under a new coach, blooding in our youngsters and with almost the same squad as last season.

I think there are more positives than negatives.

Personally, i think the instant success funded by multi-billionaire owners buying the worlds best players at inflated prices have skewed some fans thinking into being the only way for a team to actually become successful.

Yes, it's bloody frustrating to see our best players leave for pastures new but a good manager within a well run club would find a replacement and allow them to earn their place in the team offering something new.

Other teams around the world (Southamptom, The Scum (red ones), Wolfsburg, Athletico Madrid, Dortmund, Napoli) cope year on year of selling individuals but molding a team capable of crashing the party given time.

From what I've seen so far, Poch is doing good and if Levy is willing to loosen those purse strings, even slightly, along with some wise recruitment, we might start crashing some parties in the near future as opposed to light years away.

COYS!

Oops that was supposed to be a slight edit. My bad

Ultimately, the United drubbing was embarrassing and irritating as they have been a bore all season but I personally think our squad has more potential than theirs and it was a bad day at the office imo.

 

[Jonesey]

You don't extrapolate like that unless you are clueless. What is pertinent is that they only had three shots on target, which were all in the first half.

That was more because they actively closed the game down in the second half. Who wouldn't? We still didn't manage many shots on goal in the second 45 because they did that.

Bottom line is I hope we can win our remaining games in the relatively easy run in and that other top-6 teams drop points in their relatively harder ones. We are only 8pts off second. That should galvanize the team and Spur us on (excuse the pun) - but on current defensive form (and goalscoring form for that matter) it looks unlikely.

I'm not totally unhappy with where we are. It was looking distinctly like a transitional season Based on our first third of the season but now I'm delighted we are not in the bottom half of the table actually - but we can do better.

Whether we actually will remains to be seen.

 

[Block D Spurs]

I hope our players now have their bad days over and done with...We can not miss getting 3 points from at least 7 games, and hope the clubs above us drop a few points in drawn games... As we now have days rest between games they should recover physically... It is the mental fatigue that is a worry..as they had no time to think with games in quick succession in 4 competitions.