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[DC_Boy]

as I say I can see the force of the argument against winning free kicks as assists - but this is gonna hurt the taraabt brigade as his main claim to fame so far at first team level is the 'assist' he got v west ham - so who gets the assist there - it's gonna take me extra working out now for my assist stats - I reckon I'll be able to find some to replace the one or two berbs may have lost if I change my views

 

[chrissivad]

as I say I can see the force of the argument against winning free kicks as assists - but this is gonna hurt the taraabt brigade as his main claim to fame so far at first team level is the 'assist' he got v west ham - so who gets the assist there - it's gonna take me extra working out now for my assist stats - I reckon I'll be able to find some to replace the one or two berbs may have lost if I change my views

noone

Like i said you dont need to have an assist to have a goal.

A pass that creats a goal is an assist, a pass that leads to a goal isn't, for me anyway. This is because the player with the ball will need to create his own chance.

 

[DC_Boy]

noone

Like i said you dont need to have an assist to have a goal.

A pass that creats a goal is an assist, a pass that leads to a goal isn't, for me anyway. This is because the player with the ball will need to create his own chance.

well we have to disagree chrissi I think the vast majority of goals have an assist - I can only think of 2 in recent years for spurs that I might not be able to figure one out - may be more of course

 

[Rocksuperstar]

who would get the assist for Owens goal against Argentina, or maybe Maradona's outstanding goal in the 86 world cup? :shrug:

Those are both two very high profile goals that have no assistant needed - they both made them goals themselves, right?

 

[DC_Boy]

who would get the assist for Owens goal against Argentina, or maybe Maradona's outstanding goal in the 86 world cup? :shrug:

Those are both two very high profile goals that have no assistant needed - they both made them goals themselves, right?

I take your point RSS, where someone robs someone and goes off on a solo run there then is no assist I guess

However even from memory I can almost visualise the England player passing ot Owen - but can't quite do it- but I'm sure owen had a pass to him

equally tho I remember nothing of the build up to maradona's goal - it's almost certain someone made a pass to him

however if he robbed the ball off someone then made the run - yep you got me

 

[Kendall]

actually there are definitions to an assist and sometimes two players can be given an assist to a goal.

However it isn't neccesarily the last pass played, for example the Owen goal, there may not have been an assist as he still had it all to do and the last person to pass to him didn't really 'assist' with the goal.

 

[DC_Boy]

actually there are definitions to an assist and sometimes two players can be given an assist to a goal.

However it isn't neccesarily the last pass played, for example the Owen goal, there may not have been an assist as he still had it all to do and the last person to pass to him didn't really 'assist' with the goal.

Well Kendall I guess what I'm doing is challenging some of the 'assists' definitions - up to now I've pretty much made my own definitions- but I see I may have been misguided at times -

in fairness to chrissi there are it seems more 'unassisted' goals than I thought - but I don't accept some of the definitions necessarily being given here

 

[Kendall]

I think you should write to opta or actim to get the full info, I'd be interested to hear their definitions

 

[SpurSince57]

Joey55 (what's happened to him lately?) posted last season that OPTA have a panel deliberating on each assist; they're only counted if they meet OPTA's criteria and all pnel members agree.

Here's a tricky one for you all. Would Mido's clever short throw have counted as an assist for Keane's brilliant goal against Blackeye two years ago?

 

[DC_Boy]

Joey55 (what's happened to him lately?) posted last season that OPTA have a panel deliberating on each assist; they're only counted if they meet OPTA's criteria and all pnel members agree.

Here's a tricky one for you all. Would Mido's clever short throw have counted as an assist for Keane's brilliant goal against Blackeye two years ago?

in my book - yes-

 

[DC_Boy]

I think you should write to opta or actim to get the full info, I'd be interested to hear their definitions

maybe I will Kendall - but after all that would just be their interpretation - though a weighty and important one doubtless

 

[Stoof]

in my book - yes-

Ridiculous, DC. Mido threw the ball to him. Keane beat three players and then the goalie. Not an assist mate.

 

[chrissivad]

Ridiculous, DC. Mido threw the ball to him. Keane beat three players and then the goalie. Not an assist mate.

totaly agree, Keane made that goal.

The throw in lead to the goal, but didn't assist Keane in scoring the goal. :up:

 

[DC_Boy]

Ridiculous, DC. Mido threw the ball to him. Keane beat three players and then the goalie. Not an assist mate.

well I'm sorry Stoof - far be it from me to argue with a Mod - but ridiculous is way OTT- it's my view- if that's ok by you

 

[Stoof]

well I'm sorry Stoof - far be it from me to argue with a Mod - but ridiculous is way OTT- it's my view- if that's ok by you

Oh come now, DC. You know me better than that. I fully respect your opinion. And my opinion of your opinion is that your opinion is ridiculous. :wink:

 

[Bobbins]

You've got some bizarre concepts there DC - I don't think I've ever heard of anyone claiming that fouled players or someone who passes the ball to a guy who beats 3 players then scores all on his own should be given assists?!

Mido's throw - not an assist. Clever, but Keano made and scored the goal himself.

Mido's two headers onto Keane at Craven Cottage which Keane smacked in on the volley in the FA Cup - assists, clearly, because they created the chance that Keane finished off. Same as every through-ball, cross, and corner that leads to a goal.

You can't claim any further than that, or we start going off into the realms of 'Yeah well really the crowd should get an assist for encouraging Huddlestone to shooooooooooot for that goal' etc.

 

[SpurSince57]

Yup. That's the way I'd interpret it. Mido's throw was smart, but Keane had to do a hell of a lot of work after receiving it. Against Fulham, two headers down, two cracking volleys, bish-bosh.

I think you have to say that assists depend on the amount of work a goalscorer has to do after receiving the ball. Let's take an extreme hypothetical example. If, next weekend, Robbo rolls the ball out to Zokora just outside the D, and Zokora runs the length of the pitch, cutting a swathe through Blackeye's midfield and defence, and then dances around Friedel before slotting the ball home, will Robbo be credited with the assist?

 

[ERO]

If an assist is not creating the chance you score from, what the fuck is an assist?

Clearly being fouled in an area where you can score from the free-kick is creating a chance. Attackers doesn't get fouled because defenders thinks it funny.

 

[Rocksuperstar]

If an assist is not creating the chance you score from, what the fuck is an assist?

bit like a racist or sexist but derogatory towards ass's and donkeys... :shrug: