Updated striker stats

[tommyt]

Bit random. whats jason euell got to do with anything?

Equally strange post :razz:

 

[DogsOfWar]

I recently quoted the stats from the Torygraph to illustrate this:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/ma...d=F17&targetRule=10&team=6&teamname=Tottenham

(scroll to bottom)

and:

http://telegraph.jumpmediagroup.com/PlayerStat.aspx?p1id=5127&p2id=3789

There is virtually no difference in their shot accuracy, and Bent actually converts a higher proportion of his on-target shots. Perhaps more surprisingly, their passing accuracy is pretty much on a par.

Of course, as Ledge says, Berbatov brings a whole lot more to the party than goals, but considering Bent's time on the pitch has been pretty limited and his appearances fragmented, one can hardly say he hasn't chipped in with a decent share of goals—and that was, I thought, what we'd bought him for.

Interesting stuff.

Bent's been my biggest disappointment this year as I expected a lot more from him, but in a lot of the games I've watched he seems to have actually disappeared from the action.

But at least these stats back up what we knew from Charlton so there is hope. I'm guessing the difference is that Charlton's 5 man midfield forced him into a very central style with him just finishing off moves.

Unfortunately, our midfield aren't the most creative lot, with the strikers creating most of the assists, so opportunities are much rarer.

Assuming we see at least two more new faces in midfield next term we should, hopefully, see a new Darren Bent too.

 

[chrissivad]

How many Premiership goals has Berby got in total now? I thought he'd have 25 or more. Can't be far off 25 surely!

Our site claimes 24, and 43 in all comp's

 

[Bobbins]

Bumped to include all results up to and including today.

Berba just gets better and better doesn't he?

 

[Rocksuperstar]

One source has him at 12th on 103 goals!

http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/goalscorers/ps.html

Whats the second column on that page all about?

More importantly, why did whoever put that together choose that particular layout?? :think:

 

[Bobbins]

I was thinking pens but it can't be.

 

[DC_Boy]

I counted Berbs assists the other day - and I make it 16 - I also remember Keane missing a pen v Arsenal that cost Berb an assist and probably cost us the game - had Berbs taken it it's likely he'd have an extra goal and assist to his name

also Berbs has played a crucial in lots of other spurs goals with his link up play

 

[cheeseman]

I counted Berbs assists the other day - and I make it 16 - I also remember Keane missing a pen v Arsenal that cost Berb an assist and probably cost us the game - had Berbs taken it it's likely he'd have an extra goal and assist to his name

also Berbs has played a crucial in lots of other spurs goals with his link up play

You can't claim a goal and an assist for the same goal, buddy. That's just daft!

 

[DC_Boy]

You can't claim a goal and an assist for the same goal, buddy. That's just daft!

Hi cheeseman - actually it's getting late so I probably overreacted to the comment - hence this prologue but I'll letthe comment stand as it raises an interesting question to me anyway - it's true in one sense you can't 'assist yourself, but the way I count assists, I think you can

Of course you can - if you win the pen and then put it away you get a goal and an assist - please don't call me daft, unless you have good reason

who else is gonna get the assist?

 

[chrissivad]

who else is gonna get the assist?

Not every goal has an assist to it, and not every pass that goes on to result in a goal is classed as an assist.

You can have a goal with no assist quite easly.

 

[DC_Boy]

Not every goal has an assist to it, and not every pass that goes on to result in a goal is classed as an assist.

You can have a goal with no assist quite easly.

mmmm can you - I can't think of many - if it's open play someone would have made a decisive move from your team - eg the arsenal goal v bolton - it comes off two bolton players but an arsenal player makes the crucial cross so i give him the assist-

direct from set pieces is the tricky one - but usually they come from fouls against a player - eg berbs got fouled for bale's goal v arsenal - i give Berbs the assist - I don't think you could name me one spurs goal this season where I can't find a spurs assist for it

in recent years, from memory, the ones i might have trouble with would be robbo's last season (depends what the free kick was for) and robbie's cheeky one v brum - but these are very much out of the ordinary goals

 

[SpurSince57]

Sorry, but you simply cannot classify winning a free-kick as an assist.

 

[DC_Boy]

Sorry, but you simply cannot classify winning a free-kick as an assist.

well I do - why can't you - it's our player that's won the free kick - for example it's an important part of Berb's and many forwards game to win free kicks in dangerous positions

 

[Rocksuperstar]

I don't think winning a free kick should ever be rewarded - it's not like any modicum of skill or talent has lead to it, in fact it should only really involve punishment :shrug:

To concede a foul is to break the rules - if you succeed in winning a free kick that someone scores from then you've taken advantage of the opportunity - if we started rewarding those who claim the fouls then we'd see chuds like Drogba flailing even more, topping all the assist tables for free-kicks earned and completely distorting the figures.

If a player has battled into a shooting opportunity, actually creating a chance from nothing obvious THEN he's bought down then maybe i could see why that might count, but just picking up the ball and ending up on the floor from a spurious toe into the heel shouldn't be worthy of any kind of reward, even if it's just a number in a stattos chart

 

[SpurSince57]

I can't count them because they aren't, unless you're stretching the definition to ridiculous lengths. Why not credit the pass or throw-in that led to the assist as an assist?

 

[Rocksuperstar]

who kicked off? :lol:

 

[DC_Boy]

I can't count them because they aren't, unless you're stretching the definition to ridiculous lengths. Why not credit the pass or throw-in that led to the assist as an assist?

ok I can see that arguement -so we still get an assist - however I still think for the moment I'll count the winning of the free kick as an assist - but might change my miind

 

[DC_Boy]

I don't think winning a free kick should ever be rewarded - it's not like any modicum of skill or talent has lead to it, in fact it should only really involve punishment :shrug:

To concede a foul is to break the rules - if you succeed in winning a free kick that someone scores from then you've taken advantage of the opportunity - if we started rewarding those who claim the fouls then we'd see chuds like Drogba flailing even more, topping all the assist tables for free-kicks earned and completely distorting the figures.

If a player has battled into a shooting opportunity, actually creating a chance from nothing obvious THEN he's bought down then maybe i could see why that might count, but just picking up the ball and ending up on the floor from a spurious toe into the heel shouldn't be worthy of any kind of reward, even if it's just a number in a stattos chart

yep take your point superstar (as with 57) - I'll have to reflect on this - I've always counted them before may have to change my thinking

 

[idlepete]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assist_(football)

There's no official definition. But I wouldn't count winning a FK as an assist or a penalty that is won and converted by the same player as an assist, no way.

I think some statisticians credit the passes that lead up to an assist as key passes, though. Don't they?

 

[SpurSince57]

Some do, but OPTA doesn't.