VDV left because of bad start with AVB?

[Misfit]

Not so much that he didn't work hard enough. Often he ran himself out the game he was that busy. Maybe lacked discipline would be a more likely explanation?

 

[beats1]

Do you not think maybe he wasn't being picked because he'd intimated he wanted to go if a deal could be done ? There was rock solid ITK about him going long before he did.

Perhaps and yes there was ITK but I dont think anything was certain but I do think AVB may of been happy for him to go thinking Moutinho was coming the other way

 

[Mr Pink]

No, AVB has a system that doesn't have much time for luxury players. I think he assumed VDV didn't work hard enough (there's probably an argument for and against this - although I think VDV worked real hard). I've repeated this time and time again but the biggest factor I've noticed under AVB is our resilience. This has been built from nowhere and is down to the formation and the types of players that fit that formation.

Not sure he assumed he didn't work hard enough, althought you may be right. Perhaps AVB envisaged switching to a 4-3-3 with Moutinho coming in.

 

[Mr Pink]

Not so much that he didn't work hard enough. Often he ran himself out the game he was that busy. Maybe lacked discipline would be a more likely explanation?

Yeah I would say that's much more likely, particulalry if he wanted to go down the 4-3-3 route.

 

[Nocando]

Not so much that he didn't work hard enough. Often he ran himself out the game he was that busy. Maybe lacked discipline would be a more likely explanation?

Yes I agree. I think these were factors that may have put distance between himself and automatic selection. I think you touch on a very good point AVB relies heavily on discipline (not to be confused with rigidity) and even if this is subconsciously, I think he would rather select players who do what he says (opposed to Harry's bum tap and away you go).

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Oddly enough I think we may have accidentally replaced VDV (at least temporarily) when we signed Dempsey.


Bring on the negs you mother puss buckets.

Neg just wouldn't cover this.

 

[Misfit]

Yes I agree. I think these were factors that may have put distance between himself and automatic selection. I think you touch on a very good point AVB relies heavily on discipline (not to be confused with rigidity) and even if this is subconsciously, I think he would rather select players who do what he says (opposed to Harry's bum tap and away you go).

Yep. I think you're correct. Obviously after the window shut, I think AVB would have much preferred to have have VDV in the squad. In a perfect world though he'd have had a Mouts instead.

Throw in the personal problems the VDVs were having and the fact that it was hamburg who were giving him the come on and there it is. Hardly a shock he left, even at the time. Replacing him with Gylfi is what caused the nervous gulps.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

No, AVB has a system that doesn't have much time for luxury players. I think he assumed VDV didn't work hard enough (there's probably an argument for and against this - although I think VDV worked real hard). I've repeated this time and time again but the biggest factor I've noticed under AVB is our resilience. This has been built from nowhere and is down to the formation and the types of players that fit that formation.

Sorry but I simply don't agree. AVB is not stupid. He would know that VDV worked hard. It's not as if players like Bale, Lennon and Defoe were renowned for their work rate and defensive discipline is it (or Sigurdsson and Dempsey for that matter).

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Perhaps and yes there was ITK but I dont think anything was certain but I do think AVB may of been happy for him to go thinking Moutinho was coming the other way

They are different players who play in completely different positions and styles. Modric is far closer to Moutinho and I believe he believed the 30m for Modric would easily cover the fee for Moutinho and give Levy some change.

 

[Misfit]

Might he have played Dembele further up the pitch though. He was an AM - or converted to one anyway - after all.

Sandro, Mouts and Dembele.

 

[Mr Pink]

Might he have played Dembele further up the pitch though. He was an AM - or converted to one anyway - after all.

Sandro, Mouts and Dembele.

Or Sandro, Dembele (more box to box) and Mouts. Would needed more goals from our right wide forward though in that system. Lennon is more a traditional winger isn't he...

 

[Nocando]

Sorry but I simply don't agree. AVB is not stupid. He would know that VDV worked hard. It's not as if players like Bale, Lennon and Defoe were renowned for their work rate and defensive discipline is it (or Sigurdsson and Dempsey for that matter).

Perhaps (and this was corrected lower down) when I say lack of workrate I mean more so a lack of adhering to his system and ethics. VDV only plays well when he's given freedom to float (seen by his poor showings when on the wing). Also Lennon is known for his workrate and defensive discipline, isn't he? I actually think Defoe works hard but perhaps that another subject altogether. Sig and Dempsey both work hard and that were their redeeming qualities. Bale works hard in an attacking sense and doesn't tire, so yes I think these are quite different to the VDv that is perceived to tire and gets hauled off on 60 mins.

 

[tony_parkes]

Only fools believe everything they read.

I do not believe you wrote that.

 

[Misfit]

Or Sandro, Dembele (more box to box) and Mouts.

Quite possible. Looks a decent midfield that actually. Who knows though, Mouts might have been a complete flop. AVB seems happy with Holtby though. Looked chuffed at the signing and obviously trusts Sandro and Dembele completely. Forgetting for a moment the monster that GB has turned into these last few weeks. Seems to have worked out well in the end.

 

[Mr Pink]

Perhaps (and this was corrected lower down) when I say lack of workrate I mean more so a lack of adhering to his system and ethics. VDV only plays well when he's given freedom to float (seen by his poor showings when on the wing). Also Lennon is known for his workrate and defensive discipline, isn't he? I actually think Defoe works hard but perhaps that another subject altogether. Sig and Dempsey both work hard and that were their redeeming qualities. Bale works hard in an attacking sense and doesn't tire, so yes I think these are quite different to the VDv that is perceived to tire and gets hauled off on 60 mins.

Please don't start BC off on Dempsey's work rate, please I'm begging you.

 

[Misfit]

Just need to say GB isn't a LB and we'll get SP in on the act. The thread will collapse under the weight of their posts.

 

[Mr Pink]

Quite possible. Looks a decent midfield that actually. Who knows though, Mouts might have been a complete flop. AVB seems happy with Holtby though. Looked chuffed at the signing and obviously trusts Sandro and Dembele completely. Forgetting for a moment the monster that GB has turned into these last few weeks. Seems to have worked out well in the end.

It does. The objective seems clear and simple. High line, squeeze the opposition - organised, collectively working hard for each other - platform for our most dangerous player in Bale. Give him the frigging thing as much as possible. They all look for him don't they.

 

[tony_parkes]

Neg just wouldn't cover this.

Anal rape emoticom needed?

 

[playboypaul]

I think VDV going is a major reason behind Bale producing the form he has been and his emergence as our 'go to' guy this season. He has taken over the role of talisman and it suits him better than it did VDV.

 

[Spursidol]

I don't think there is any one reasion why VDV left, it a combination of reasons :

1. New manager comes in - and as all new managers say, says 'I want change' and eveyone (VDV included) know they need to fight for his place
2 Any internet search reveals AVB likes 433 - VDV doesn't excel in a 433 formation, which will unsettle VDV's mindset.
3 Arrival of Sigurdsesom in 'his' place in a 4231.
4 Pre-season AVB trying out all the new players especially (normal because he wants to see how they play with their nrew colleagues), so VDV noit automatic choice pre-season
5 VDV unsettled domestically - feels a need to be close to wife.

AVB does not have any close links to VDV n- he doesn't klnow him so when VDV says maybe I need to leave, AVB is not fighting for him to stay. Contrast this with the AVB Dawson situation - Dawson says I want to stay.

IMO VDV left because he wasb't sure (due tio diomestic situation) about staying in London, and VDV wasn't entirely sure about him as they hadn't worked together before.

If VDV had said, I want to stay at Spurs - or if AVB had said your a star I want to keep you and you can't leave - VDV would probably still be here.

The reason why he went to Hamburg is simply Spurs and VDV 'drifting', no firm decisions - except Hamburg saying 'we want you'.

No drama, at the end of the day althoiugh I loved having VDV here its possibly best for both parties (although at the time I wanted VDV to stay for at least another year and ease Sigursson in)