West Ham have won Olympic Stadium

[MattyP]

10% I agree, but not 33% though

With all due respect, I have no idea where Nick got his £300m costing for the NDP from.

 

[Nick-TopSpursMan]

The whole point is, this NDP being too expensive is wrong imo. Levy has completely blown this out of all proportion and people are lapping up his lies.

 

[Shanks]

You insulted my business mind, I was offended so I responded and if I'm doing very well at the age of 23 I must be pretty clever and good in business...

You plan a big project, you make a budget, you must be ready for changes, spikes in price ect.

You do not just say it will cost this much, sorted. You allow for hundreds of possibilities and plan around that.

In essence, Levy should have been aware there may be a drop or a spike in the cost. He didn't mention anything about it being not viable until Stratford became an option. Why? Because the ability to sell the club at Stratford is greater and we would get loads of money from AEG.

Nothing to do with NDP not being viable imo, just Levy priming us for a sale at higher value.

You wasn't clear, it is a ridiculous amount to consider. I'd like to know how well at 23 is considered well, even if it is your own admission ?

It is simply your opinion that Levy is priming us for a sale at a higher value. Even if he is, he has still managed to take us to a much higher level on the pitch than when he left.

Personally I am hoping for the OS to come through, highly unlikely granted, but I'd prefer it to be in Stratford than in Tottenham. Purely for selfish reasons, no more no less.

The ability to sell at a higher price and make more money reflects two fold - both on the pitch and off it = a better football club.

For a 'successfull 23 year old' businessman (I admit I did lol a little bit at your age throwing), this should make perfect sense ;-)

Yes that last part was very much tongue in cheek in case you didn't get it.

 

[Bobbins]

How would people have felt with a increase in ticket prices had we got the os despite this shiny new stadium that was so nuch cheaper.how do people feel
That levy never once guaranteed the stadium would increase our spending on players and wages.how did people feel when we were told we couple compete for players could we wernt in the champs league and then when we did qualify we were immediately told it wasn't the gold mine we thought it was.

No-one from Spurs has ever actually said any of this. It's total shit.

You're basically quoting various ITK's and the opinions of various people on forums and taking it as that it's all fact as though Levy had said it directly to you.

We all know we need Champion's League football in order to increase turnover, pay higher wages and attract better players. We all know we need a bigger stadium for the exact same reasons.

At no point has Levy come out and said 'if we get CL football get ready for me to spunk money like it's shit out of fashion on every player you like on Football Manager lads!'.

You're confusing readily obvious common sense with actual quotes and short-termist bollocks.

 

[Nick-TopSpursMan]

With all due respect, I have no idea where Nick got his £300m costing for the NDP from.

Apologies Matt, I was just using that figure as a generic example.

 

[Shanks]

The whole point is, this NDP being too expensive is wrong imo. Levy has completely blown this out of all proportion and people are lapping up his lies.

You are mistaken mate.

It's not about the NDP being too expensive or not being able to do the NDP, but more to do with the fact that the OS was a better option to make priority.

If we don't get the OS, I'm sure we might see the NDP develop somewhat, but for the purpose of the media games being played and to convince certain areas of the seriousness the above was what was necessary to say - especially as that was the better option in terms of business and football.

Selling point so to speak.

Come on dude, you bang on about how good a businessman you are, yet you seemingly fail to grasp the reasoning behind it.

 

[Nick-TopSpursMan]

Shanks, I know what Levy is doing is great in a business sense, re Stratford.

But for fans and for Spurs future, it must not happen.

 

[Fatcat]

For what ever reason he has said the NDP is not viable, although knowing the reasons behind would be intersting and possibly help ease some of the anti stratford fans come to terms with leaving the lane, it does not matter he has said not happening so there is no more comparison about the 2, If stratford fails then it is back to drawing board unless there is secret plan c.

 

[$hoguN]

Shanks, I know what Levy is doing is great in a business sense, re Stratford.

But for fans and for Spurs future, it must not happen.

What a bucket load of horse shite that is. Moving to Stratford would better for Tottenham's future than staying at WHL as it would increase our marketing potential, allow us to increase revenues, so on and so forth. In terms of the effect on fans, polls on this site show that although it will alienate some fans, they will be the minority, the rest may not be happy about us moving but realise Levy has to take a business perspective on the whole thing

 

[Nick-TopSpursMan]

I understand what Levy is doing as a businessman.

But I'm a fan, and what he is doing is WRONG from a fans point of view.

I'm not discussing this anymore, far too emotionally involved to keep level headed.

 

[Shanks]

Shanks, I know what Levy is doing is great in a business sense, re Stratford.

But for fans and for Spurs future, it must not happen.

Honestly, I haven't really kept myself up to date on the on-goings of it. I just liked the idea of moving to Stratford to have this world class complex.

Hearing it was cheaper made it sound better.

I guess if we don't actually win the bid, then Levy will have a few things up his sleeve, but I do think not winning could see us not move forward in terms of stadium for a while longer.

I'm really not sure what the causes were for us not being able to attract 'better' players. Rumours aloof that it was down to the area and facilities - the OS site and surrounding area would be a much more attractive package too.

I really could only see a win/win situation by moving. If something can be developed nearer to WHL, then I'm sure that could be a win/win also.

I guess I'm not against anything really, and open minded about it all. But then I'm a fan from outter town, so I don't really have any loyalty to the surrounding area of WHL (other than the opinion of how much of a dump it actually is - no offense to those living there - my town is a dump too!)

 

[$hoguN]

I understand what Levy is doing as a businessman.

But I'm a fan, and what he is doing is WRONG from a fans point of view.

I'm not discussing this anymore, far too emotionally involved to keep level headed.

You are missing the point there, as its only wrong from the point of view of some fans, not all

 

[Nick-TopSpursMan]

Most season ticket holders I know are against it.

 

[AngerManagement]

Will be interesting to see what happens now.

Will this lead to Levy and co. reverting to their NPD plans? or are as he has said is this no longer viable?

Will it mean we have to spend years looking for a new plot of land at another location and this decision ends up setting our plans back 4-5 years?

Will Levy and ENIC be frustrated by the decision and potential loss of partnership with AEG (I don't know if this was dependent on getting the location in Stratford) result in them deciding they have taken the club as far as they can and just wanted to cut ties and sell on to a new investor?

I find it hard to believe Levy does not have a contingency plan in place for this very scenerio? surely all our eggs were not placed in the Stratford basket.

I do however see the potential that Levy may think he has had enough and want out now his vision for the future development of the club has been scuppered (assuming that NPD is not on the cards as a contingency, will he want the bother of going through the whole planning process again? and searching for new commerical partners if AEG were only interested in a partnership should we be relocating to Stratford?)

I wonder what the end result will be now? I suspect no new shiny stadium for us and instead we will stick with WHL and periodically increase capacity as much as possible (maybe end up with 45,00 seat capacity instead of 60k had we moved for example)

My main concern would be if moving to Stratford would have enabled us to produce far greater revenue streams in the future which in compliance with the new laws would have allowed us to be more competitive in the transfer market for years to come (assuming your spending is capped on the basis of your income and staying at WHL reduces our over all income)

Good day for those Spurs fans who felt the club would die if it moved out of Tottenham though, I just hope it does not stunt our growth and development as an elite European footballing force in the coming years.

 

[Shanks]

Most season ticket holders I know are against it.

Most I know are all for it.

 

[$hoguN]

Most I know are all for it.

Same here

 

[MattyP]

Most I know are all for it.

Same here

Most I know are against it.

Good game this :razz:

 

[Shanks]

Yep, point being though Matt, is the fella up above is claiming it's wrong for the fans.

But really it's just the ones he knows and himself - personally I couldn't give a flying fuck where we play, as long as we are successful.

 

[JKSpurs]

Most season ticket holders I know are against it.

Season ticket holder. happy to go stratford. So are the people round me.

 

[Stoof]

In your fucking opinion.

You can't label what alot of people hold close to their hearts as bullshit just because you don't feel the same way. As obnoxious as Levy saying 99% of fans are supportive towards the move.

1) He said 90%.

2) And yes I can - because if you decipher all the bullshit, you'll see it's all a money-grabbing exercise by various Athletics' associations. And fair enough to them, they can get their share. But don't be mistaken by their claim that retaining a running track is all about the "legacy" of British sport - a stadium not maketh a legacy. Sorry. That's just plain common sense pal.