West Ham have won Olympic Stadium

[MattyP]

So why did our Financial Director say two years ago that the New Lane would be substantially cheaper than the £357m Immigrants, and mention an investment of £250m? Why did Levy say Stratford would be no cheaper than the NDP?

When a normally sane member has posted that the cost of keeping and restoring Warmington House, the Red House and the Dispensary will be £50m, all I can say is, 'Can I have the contract please, Mr Levy?'

I'd guess the cost of refurbishing said properties would be in the region of £1m, max.

I'd guess the cost of altering the design for this would also be in the same ballpark.

The reduction in the number of enabling works, as Spurs call it, from 434 to 200 would be in the region of £20m.

I don't doubt that the overall redesign could cost us £50m. I don't doubt that the cost of the stadium only could come in under the cost of building The Emirates.

What I do question is the decision making process that said at £400m the entire scheme is viable, at £450m it is not.

 

[Damo1176]

As much as I understand people's issues with moving to Stratford I do genuinely believe that West Ham get a damn good deal out of this and we are going to be waiting a hell of a long time to have a stadium of that size. The issues start with revenue we can't generate, the players we can't buy or afford (which thhe list of clubs with more money to chuck around get's larger by the day and Champions League did not open the floodgates to top players coming to us, some still went to Liverpool!). I think it's a little short sighted that peeople have said no to Stratford cos it involves a move away from our roots. It really depends what our other options are and if one is to spend £450m on the new stadium then welcome everyone to dropping to mid table beucase we simply haven't got the finances in place to do owt else. A 36000 seater stadium for me is not a stadium for a big club.

This rant is partly fueled by me missing out on AC Milan tickets due to a shite ticketing system!!

 

[AngerManagement]

The main issue to us signing elite level players is our wage structure.

Assuming increased revenue from the Stratford move would have resulted in an increased budget for wages (higher wage cap/structure) we would have a much better chance of signing the best players and improving our first team with the right players at the right time.

What we need to do in the mean time is find a gem a level down again, Berbatov style, because although the CL may have given us the extra clout to attract players, until we pay bigger wages we simply can't afford the top guys.

Assuming the OS is now dead in the water, what is our next move? waste time in the court challenging the decision? time that could be spent focusing on alternative options.

I think this decision is going to set us back years, looking at Levy's interview the other day it seemed he was extremely confident that we would get the nod for the OS (maybe someone gave him the Carlton Banks wink and gun) and although one would assume we would have a contingency plan in place I am starting to think this is not the case and Levy and Co really did have everything pinned on this move.

He would look pretty stupid now after saying the NPD was not an issue if he turned around and green lighted it, unless his positioning resulted in compromises in his/our favour before agreeing to revert to that idea.

Only other options are to look for alternative sites (which could take years just to plan again) or redevelop the Lane, which would leave us short in terms of the max capacity we can produce and could see us playing a season or two with one stand out of action at a time (maybe a board with painted faces like Arsenal) but this idea basically puts us on a level Arsenal reached all those years ago when they increased Highbury's capacity (surely we need to be aiming higher than something Arsenal did in the 90's)

It does seem the next move is a legal challenge, SSN was saying grounds that West Ham would be receiving illegal funding would be used. I just fear this will be a waste of time and resources, time that could be better spent planning for another option (although we could be looking for sites no official moves could be made until the legal issues were dealt with )

 

[kishman]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-12424549

Decision to be confirmed at 1100 GMT.

 

[Shanks]

I think we all know which way the decision is going to swing on this.

I guess it's hands firmly back to the drawing board to see what other options we have. Be a shame if Levy thought they had to sell now and confirm that this is as far as we go with the current set up.

Hoping thats not the case to be honest.

 

[WhiteStripe]

Flip the bird to you to.


It was an honest post and one shared by many season ticket holders.


Unlike some, I remember that football comes from the heart, emotion is what makes the game so great.

Unfortunately, people are willing to sell out, become a commercial monstrosity and forget all about what football is about.


Pile on the negative rep just because I want to stay at WHL. What a horrible person I am for wanting to stay in Tottenham, our home. Shame on me :roll:

I happen to think your view is slightly warped. Why would Tottenham Hotspur, one of the best supported clubs in the country, have died a death? There would have still been overwhelming support for the club despite moving. We would still have been know as Tottenham Hotspur. We would still have a rich deep history, nobody could take that away from us.

I would not choose to move away from WHL, in fact, if you take all the other factors away, I would rather stay in WHL, unextended for the rest of my supporting days. The stadium cannot be beaten for atmosphere, passion, support and feeling. Building an entirely new stadium no matter where it was would not be the same, and I have accepted this. The reason I have accepted the demolition of a stadium that I view as much home as I do my own house is because I want to see success rightfully restored to the great club we follow. If we had to move in order to make this a viable, realistic dream, then I will take the view that nobody can take Tottenhams past away from me, WHL is going to go anyway, so if moving is right fro the club then I will accept that.

Too many people think history is something that gets wiped if something drastic changes or something is no longer the same. Thats simply not the case.

 

[dav3j]

Why would he need to be humble or have his tail between his legs? What will happen is he'll get back on trying to make the NDP viable. Why the hell would he have his tail between his legs because he tried to take an opportunity which makes sense on about a hundred different levels?

Uh... because he said the NDP was completely unviable, "dead in the water", and the OS was our only realistic option. If he comes round and says that all of a sudden it's back on, he'll have been shown to be telling porky pies. What's hard to grasp about that?

 

[Shanks]

Just like to add, as I saw it bandied around - the neg rep has nothing to do with views on where you'd like the club to be.

Personally, I have no preference over WHL or OS - I'll follow the club wherever they are - I think OS is a better option to take, but I'll follow the decision made by those running the club - they've done a bloody good job so far.

The neg rep, was purely for being twats.

 

[Shanks]

Uh... because he said the NDP was completely unviable, "dead in the water", and the OS was our only realistic option. If he comes round and says that all of a sudden it's back on, he'll have been shown to be telling porky pies. What's hard to grasp about that?

Dead in the water at that current time. I'm sure it would be more than acceptable to go abck and review options and then decide if it is officailly dead - considering efforts wer ebeing out towards the OS site, more than acceptable.

 

[Stoof]

Funny that in the world of spending cuts in which we exist, the government is being recommended to shell out £40m extra.

I expect that'll shut a couple more schools. Maybe the odd hospital.

Won't somebody please think of the children!!

 

[dav3j]

Dead in the water at that current time. I'm sure it would be more than acceptable to go abck and review options and then decide if it is officailly dead - considering efforts wer ebeing out towards the OS site, more than acceptable.

Don't get me wrong, I have no problem if this was all a grand scheme Levy and Lewis thought up to improve their bargaining position, my preferred outcome from this whole debacle was the NDP going ahead, even if it is a long and hard road. My point was that I think he'd have to have some balls to come out and actually say that was his plan all along, both to the press, the fans and the shareholders, hence the "humble" and "tail between his legs" stuff that Bobbins took issue with. Unless of course the next "Open Letter from the Chairman" we'll see is

"Dear Fans,
lol j/k

Yours
Daniel"

 

[Eric_s]

Uh... because he said the NDP was completely unviable, "dead in the water", and the OS was our only realistic option. If he comes round and says that all of a sudden it's back on, he'll have been shown to be telling porky pies. What's hard to grasp about that?

Does that mean that once the NDP project is officially aborted you will never come back to SC again or you will come back with your tails between your legs because you have been so wrong?
There is absoultely nothing wrong for people to doubt Levy. However the way people are treating Levy over this issue is simply disgusting. Now we are enjoying moderate success and people convientently forget that ENIC has a part in all this. Sure ticket prices are high but thats why we have Modric and VDV in the squad.
Reading some comments from fellow Spurs fans make my blood boils.

 

[$hoguN]

Won't somebody please think of the children!!

You will be happy to know Wenger has that covered

 

[WhiteStripe]

Funny that in the world of spending cuts in which we exist, the government is being recommended to shell out £40m extra.

I expect that'll shut a couple more schools. Maybe the odd hospital.

Won't somebody please think of the children!!

I blame you for all of this anyway. You should have smurfed Karen Brady!!

 

[$hoguN]

Stoof my friend, we need to see the return of Carlos Smurfez for the end of season run in

 

[Stoof]

Noted. I think Karen Brady's had enough smurfing during her time, however.

 

[roosterbooster]

Funny that in the world of spending cuts in which we exist, the government is being recommended to shell out £40m extra.

I expect that'll shut a couple more schools. Maybe the odd hospital.



Also the £35m the olympics have put in to dismantle the tempory structure,
why cant that be put back into athlectics :roll:
the biggest charity case here seems to westham

 

[Super Tottenham]

can't believe Brady has outfoxed Levy

 

[llamafarmer]

The more I read about the West Ham bid the more disgusted I am that they're going to win it.

Athletics will have access to the stadium for 20 days a year - Well done Lord Coe, legacy secured!!

 

[$hoguN]

Can I just point out that the lowest neg rep anyone has ever got is 4 red blocks. I'm fairly sure that Nick maybe able to beat that record at some point...

I just hope the OPLC have come to their senses over night and chosen our bid in preference