Where is Gomes?

[NEVILLEB]

Found him!

 

[jonathanhotspur]

if you go to the bottom of the article and look under "Quotes of the match" Harry seems to say that Gomes will be out the door in the next transfer window. Shame i think.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...-City-career-striker-promises-help-Spurs.html

Nice find. That's that, then.

 

[KILLA_SIN]

Gomes got us C-League...

 

[Woland]

Gomes Twittered/Tweeted this 9 days ago.

@GOMESNUMBER1 HEURELHO GOMES
hello I'm fine thanks, I will stay I love this FC club and I love l all the fans as well. Take care all the best.

if you go to the bottom of the article and look under "Quotes of the match" Harry seems to say that Gomes will be out the door in the next transfer window. Shame i think.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...-City-career-striker-promises-help-Spurs.html

Harry says Gomes wants out.
Gomes says he's going nowhere.

 

[Woland]

Found him!

Is he going to Inter as a sixth keeper? I swear I can see Diego Milito in this picture.

 

[NEVILLEB]

Is he going to Inter as a sixth keeper? I swear I can see Diego Milito in this picture.

Me too! And I didn't even add anyone else..

Did you find Gomes? If so we can call off the search

 

[ShelfSide18]

The problem with this is is that it isn't a one or two gaffes, that is minimizing the problem. Its not the howlers that affect my confidence in him, its the erratic and impulsive decision making which has led to frantic and chaotic defending at times.

Yes he comes for crosses but what people are failing to point out is the mess it can leave if he doesn't successfully deal with it, and more importantly the indecision it creates amongst the back four second guessing half the time what he's going to do. Time and time again I have seen a messy situation develop when it has been totally avoidable had Gomes communicated better with the four in front of him.

There is no doubt he is a fantastic shot stopper but there are aspects of his game than can compromise our defensive effectiveness as a unit.

I'm not minimizing the problem at all, last season I wrote several times how Gomes was letting himself down with making a few too many gaffes than was acceptable - they undermined his usual excellent performances. The season beforehand he was almost flawless, we virtually wiped out our goals conceded from crosses, and he made some saves which defied the laws of the universe, including the Arsenal trio. Those 3 saves were 3 of the best I have ever seen, most goalkeepers would have not got close to those, and no one would have blamed them.

And you say he creates panic in the defence? Compared to Robinson beforehand our penalty area is serene. I think the defenders know exactly what is coming, they knows he will come for almost everything with 100% commitment, no half measures. That's why we concede so fewer goals from set pieces and crosses these days, Gomes proactivity has virtually eliminated this. Before Gomes conceding a corner was worse than conceding a penalty!

A messy situation is conceding from set pieces/crosses, thanks to Gomes this just doesn't happen anymore - although I think they will increase this year if Friedel is no1.

 

[Mr Pink]

I'm not minimizing the problem at all, last season I wrote several times how Gomes was letting himself down with making a few too many gaffes than was acceptable - they undermined his usual excellent performances. The season beforehand he was almost flawless, we virtually wiped out our goals conceded from crosses, and he made some saves which defied the laws of the universe, including the Arsenal trio. Those 3 saves were 3 of the best I have ever seen, most goalkeepers would have not got close to those, and no one would have blamed them.

And you say he creates panic in the defence? Compared to Robinson beforehand our penalty area is serene. I think the defenders know exactly what is coming, they knows he will come for almost everything with 100% commitment, no half measures. That's why we concede so fewer goals from set pieces and crosses these days, Gomes proactivity has virtually eliminated this. Before Gomes conceding a corner was worse than conceding a penalty!

A messy situation is conceding from set pieces/crosses, thanks to Gomes this just doesn't happen anymore - although I think they will increase this year if Friedel is no1.

Well we won't agree on this. The bottam line for me is I'm still nervous when Gomes is in our goal and we are under pressure, crosses etc coming in. He doesn't deal them with effectively all the time and you can sense the uncertainity right through the defence at times. He is impulsive, thats his game....yes you could call it proactive, but that's a little euphemistic IMO.

The Arsenal game was epic, said it many times - a wonderful display from him but I'm looking over the three years as a whole.

 

[SpurSince57]

I don't watch much continental football but what I do know is that there isn't the same emphasis on crossing the ball in Spain as there is here. Any keeper plying his trade over here who doesn't like having to deal with crosses ought to find another profession, in my opinion. That includes Cudicini and Friedel.

And even though Gomes drove me up the wall last season, I am open to the idea that there were mitigating factors-our midfield didn't give our defence much protection and we kept chopping and changing our centre backs. I think our lack of marking at corners was disgraceful-it looks to me like our captain and great leader Dawson couldn't organise a piss-up in a brewery and as much as I like Gallas, he's not very good in the air. People can say that maybe our defence didn't have any confidence in our keeper, maybe you could also say the reverse-who knows?

An odd statement, given that Friedel's usually been ranked in the top 10 if not the top half-dozen keepers in the EPL almost since the reign of Edward the Confessor.

And I've always been a huge Gomes fan, since his PSV days (I used to watch a lot of Eredivisie). In my opinion he's the best keeper we've had since Jennings, and if you will recall I was defending him when you were calling for his head. However, there are issues that it would be plain silly to ignore, so I'm playing devil's advocate.

Agreed, there was a lot of chopping and changing in both midfield and defence last season, and so to an extent we had a similar problem to the one we had in 06-07 when Robinson's frailties began to show. You had the same chicken-and-egg situation then—was it Robinson's getting the yips that unsettled the defence, or the defence's being all over the shop that unsettled Robinson?

 

[ShelfSide18]

Don't be nervous then, there's no need to be.

I don't have the stats to hand, and hopefully someone (BC) will produce them showing how many fewer goals we concede from set pieces and crosses with Gomes and without. It's 5 already this season isn't it?

You must remember the bad old days of Robinson not knowing whether he was coming or going, Friedel will be much better and reliable than this I'm sure, but Gomes is No1 for me all day long.

 

[eddiebailey]

I was expecting a crowd scene with Heurelho in a red and white hat and scarf.

 

[L.A. Yiddo]

Nice find. That's that, then.

 

[Mr Pink]

Don't be nervous then, there's no need to be.

I don't have the stats to hand, and hopefully someone (BC) will produce them showing how many fewer goals we concede from set pieces and crosses with Gomes and without. It's 5 already this season isn't it?

You must remember the bad old days of Robinson not knowing whether he was coming or going, Friedel will be much better and reliable than this I'm sure, but Gomes is No1 for me all day long.

Look I'm not going down the stats prove everything route, because they don't. Had this discussion way too many times, its not like the CBs had nothing to do with those goals (!).....and yes I will continue to feel nervous, sometimes, thank you very much because I'm watching what unfolds in front of me :grin:

Anyway its horses for courses really, and there were some very extenuating circumstances in our first two matches, very weak midfields etc, so I'm happy enough to let the games rack up now and judge it all with my eyes in terms of our ability to defend well as a team.

 

[NEVILLEB]

Friedel is an upgrade on Gomes...but he's 40

Gomes couldn't afford another crisis of confidence and he signed his own death warrant last season. He reminds me of David James, all the ability in the world but mentally not quite strong enough. If a good keeper infuses calm in his defence then it's damning that Gomes did the opposite.

What a shame. The hunt for our next keeper is on!

 

[sunnydelight786]

As I said in another thread if Gomes had to be upgraded then surely it should have been with a younger keeper who would be with us for the long term, and someone who can grow with our youngish backline (Walker, Dawson, Kaboom, Disco). What we now have is a 40 year old GK who won't be with us for the long term and 2 GK who's contract will be up next summer (writing off another £8m in Gomes case). That is not good going no matter how you look at it....

p.s. Gomes for me is without doubt the best of the lot we have got and should be number 1.

 

[ShelfSide18]

Look I'm not going down the stats prove everything route, because they don't. Had this discussion way too many times, its not like the CBs had nothing to do with those goals (!).....and yes I will continue to feel nervous, sometimes, thank you very much because I'm watching what unfolds in front of me :grin:

Anyway its horses for courses really, and there were some very extenuating circumstances in our first two matches, very weak midfields etc, so I'm happy enough to let the games rack up now and judge it all with my eyes in terms of our ability to defend well as a team.

I'm not just using stats, they just tend to back up my opinion quite well however. Obviously there are a lot of things to consider, but Gomes for me has to take a huge amount of credit for the vast improvement we made.

Please don't think I'm anti Friedel, I think he's a very good goalkeeper and a great pro, but I really think there are few better GKs around than Gomes when you consider everything, not just 3 or 4 calamities.

 

[jonathanhotspur]

An odd statement, given that Friedel's usually been ranked in the top 10 if not the top half-dozen keepers in the EPL almost since the reign of Edward the Confessor.

And I've always been a huge Gomes fan, since his PSV days (I used to watch a lot of Eredivisie). In my opinion he's the best keeper we've had since Jennings, and if you will recall I was defending him when you were calling for his head. However, there are issues that it would be plain silly to ignore, so I'm playing devil's advocate.

Agreed, there was a lot of chopping and changing in both midfield and defence last season, and so to an extent we had a similar problem to the one we had in 06-07 when Robinson's frailties began to show. You had the same chicken-and-egg situation then—was it Robinson's getting the yips that unsettled the defence, or the defence's being all over the shop that unsettled Robinson?

I hear you barking. I realize Friedel has been held in high esteem for years and years but I would never have run the rule over him like I am now that he's in a Spurs shirt. If he's been one of the best this league's had to offer for the last decade or more, that says to me that there are a lot of keepers making good money despite not being able to meet a basic requirement.

Yes, I called for Gomes's head but I don't see Friedel as an upgrade. Tony Parks seemed to work wonders with him-what went wrong there? I can only guess that Harry never really warmed to him but then it didn't help when our own fans jeered him.

 

[PT]

I wonder if, over the last three seasons, maybe longer, the fact that the back four has never been a regular unit, because of one fellow, our Club Captain, that keepers have problems defending their space as keepers should do.

 

[SpurSince57]

As I said in another thread if Gomes had to be upgraded then surely it should have been with a younger keeper who would be with us for the long term, and someone who can grow with our youngish backline (Walker, Dawson, Kaboom, Disco). What we now have is a 40 year old GK who won't be with us for the long term and 2 GK who's contract will be up next summer (writing off another £8m in Gomes case). That is not good going no matter how you look at it....

p.s. Gomes for me is without doubt the best of the lot we have got and should be number 1.

As with many things football, a great deal more easily said than done. Surely you remember that three years ago we were being linked with practically every half-decent keeper in Europe?

Funnily, I'm sure Harry's just as well aware of the the problem as you or I, and sees Friedel as a stop-gap for a season, or two seasons at the most.

 

[jonathanhotspur]

I wonder if, over the last three seasons, maybe longer, the fact that the back four has never been a regular unit, because of one fellow, our Club Captain, that keepers have problems defending their space as keepers should do.

In my mind, it's been a factor. I would not have offered him a new contract at all. Continuity is the way forward for me.