Who do you want as manager?

[sloth]

Unveiling AVB would make us the laughing stock of the league, he did well at Porto but strangely I find myself agreeing with Spursking on him. He completely lost the dressing room at Chelsea and I'd have serious doubts about him and his man managment especially

I think there are a few question marks, which make him a risk, but there also a lot of positives which suggest he could be a risk worth taking. Certainly of the realistic possibles he's one I'd accept.

I know what you mean about his man-management, but in reality we only have his experience at Chelsea, with the hoary, objectionable, opinionated veterans which fill that dressing room. He's not the first Chelsea manager to fall out with some of those characters in recent years, Jose Mourinho famously got the flick when JT stabbed him in the back, how much harder when you're no older than they, and haven't got multiple Championships to back you up?

On the other hand, more worrying for me than his man-management skills, was his inability, or unwillingness to adapt his formula to the realities of the team he managed. Trying to get that side to play a high-line, and the kind of dynamic football he managed at Porto was never going to work; he should have realised it and done something different. But on the other hand (can you have three hands? ) Abramovich presumably brought him in to reshape that Chelsea side in the image of Porto. I think it's well documented that Roman wants Chelsea to be less dour, more like Barcelona, that would have been the brief, and it was also why Ancelotti got the flick. Not because he wasn't successful - he clearly was - but because he was pragmatic in shaping his tactics to the strengths of his players. In that situation, what would you do? Do what got the last guy the sack? Or take on the challenge, take the risk, and try and make that silk purse? And therein lies the cause of the dressing room unrest, because of course to do it he had ruffle feathers, he had to get shot of those who'd made a career out of playing one way. He also had to accommodate Torres. And he had to do it under a Chairman unwilling to take a step back to take a step forwards. In short none of the ingredients were there.

Are they there with us? Well I'd say we've a chairman who desperately wants to do it the visionary way, and who can't afford to follow the Abramovich path. AVB would have authority if he demonstrated he bought into that vision, even if the results weren't good (provided it wasn't relegation form!), and our team also really suits AVB's preferred style, imo.

All of which says why he might not be such a terrible choice, but doesn't make the case for why he'd be a really good one. Basically we can think of reasonable reasons for his failings, but that's a long way from saying this guy is definitely our man. Personally I think he'd be a big risk, however it much easier to envisage a big pay-off, if it works out, than it is for some of the other guys mentioned.

Who are all these AVB lovers. Are you people on prescription medication?

Not sure there are many AVB lovers in this thread. But you seem to have a strong anti-AVB opinion, what are your main fears?

 

[freeeki]

David Brent.

 

[StartingPrice]

This sounds may sound weird, but do you think if Moyes was as cool as AVB and wore slick suits, he would be much higher up everyone's wish list. I'm just wondering if AVB was ugly and wore a crappy tracksuit on the touch line, would everyone still rate him as much?

Dunno...but Moyes made off with Gandalf's ring (oooeeeeeerrrr, missus) - you can't accuse AVB of that

 

[freeeki]

Do my eyes deceive me or does this poll suggest that there are real people with actual brains who looked at this poll and picked Moyes over Mourinho..?

 

[balotz]

Do my eyes deceive me or does this poll suggest that there are real people with actual brains who looked at this poll and picked Moyes over Mourinho..?

I think people are just being realistic. Mourinho just signed a long contract at a bigger club - we have zero chance of getting him.

 

[freeeki]

I think people are just being realistic. Mourinho just signed a long contract at a bigger club - we have zero chance of getting him.

But this poll is "who do you want?", not "who do you think is a realistic target?".

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Mourinho & Guardiola are unrealistic. Of the rest I'd go Blanc, AVB, Deschamps I think (in that order).

What I really want to know is which of you stupid fuckers voted for that loon Martinez ? Just look at his eyes next time he's on telly and tell me they're not the eyes of a man who has chorizo where that part of the brain that rationalises things should be.

 

[balotz]

But this poll is "who do you want?", not "who do you think is a realistic target?".

When I scanned through the list I didn't see Mourinho's name at first, because it's down as "Jose". That might also be why our beloved Klinsmann only has one vote!

 

[rez9000]

This sounds may sound weird, but do you think if Moyes was as cool as AVB and wore slick suits, he would be much higher up everyone's wish list. I'm just wondering if AVB was ugly and wore a crappy tracksuit on the touch line, would everyone still rate him as much?

Short answer: No.

Slightly longer answer: I would be happy with Moyes or AVB, but prefer AVB. Moyes isn't too far behind. If AVB didn't get the job and it was given to Moyes I wouldn't be unhappy. I prefer AVB because his primary managerial ability is purported to be as a tactician, whereas Moyes' seems to be in the building of a team.

At Spurs, our team is largely built - we need a little strengthening in some areas, but the core is there. So Moyes' ability as a team builder becomes redundant for the near future. If he was brought in he may want to restructure far more than AVB.

At no point has the thought that AVB is cool, sexy, European, etc been a factor in my thinking and I seriously doubt it has been for anyone with anything more than the most passing of passing football interest.

 

[rez9000]

May I ask one small thing?

Before we continue to tug on the 'AVB can't man manage' string, can someone show me an example of this perceived lack before he was hired by Chelsea?

 

[DuDe]

.... I know Rez, but considering the calibre of fantastically well-balanced egos and sportsmanship at Chelsea - such as Terry, Lampard and Drogba - clearly, the fault with lack of progression and 'adaptation to a new style of football' was very much down to the manager and his poor communication.

AVB isn't English and is clearly at fault for not speaking 'Chav' and using crayons with paper when discussing tactics. Remember, 'Chavanese' doesn't have words longer than 6 letters in it's lexicon.

An example of stellar commitment and selflessness 'for the cause' can be defined here: Lampard never complained, nor was it reported in the press that he was unhappy when he didn't start; because he's a team player, embraces change and will always do what is for the greater good. How the hell can you fail with support like that?

And, of course, he's been recommended by Jose ... well, what the fuck does he know. Right?

Yeah, AVB really fucked that opportunity up good and proper.

He had 'The Saints of Soccer' backing him up all the way and he blew it.

What A Cock!

 

[EastLondonYid]

Harry with AVB as his no.2 would have been the dream ticket,

AVB is tactics tactics tactics, oh and tactics - Harry thinks tactics are mints.

AVB is a shit man manager - Harry is a manager of men.

AVB is so boring in the dressing room - Harry is a larf'

AVB is unpopular with the players - the players all love 'arry

AVB hates press conferences - Harry becomes Ricky Jervais infront of the press.

I think we missed a trick here fellas.

 

[Mr-T]

AVB, proven premiership flop. Fuck him with an elf

 

[guiltyparty]

I think there are a few question marks, which make him a risk, but there also a lot of positives which suggest he could be a risk worth taking. Certainly of the realistic possibles he's one I'd accept.

I know what you mean about his man-management, but in reality we only have his experience at Chelsea, with the hoary, objectionable, opinionated veterans which fill that dressing room. He's not the first Chelsea manager to fall out with some of those characters in recent years, Jose Mourinho famously got the flick when JT stabbed him in the back, how much harder when you're no older than they, and haven't got multiple Championships to back you up?

On the other hand, more worrying for me than his man-management skills, was his inability, or unwillingness to adapt his formula to the realities of the team he managed. Trying to get that side to play a high-line, and the kind of dynamic football he managed at Porto was never going to work; he should have realised it and done something different. But on the other hand (can you have three hands? ) Abramovich presumably brought him in to reshape that Chelsea side in the image of Porto. I think it's well documented that Roman wants Chelsea to be less dour, more like Barcelona, that would have been the brief, and it was also why Ancelotti got the flick. Not because he wasn't successful - he clearly was - but because he was pragmatic in shaping his tactics to the strengths of his players. In that situation, what would you do? Do what got the last guy the sack? Or take on the challenge, take the risk, and try and make that silk purse? And therein lies the cause of the dressing room unrest, because of course to do it he had ruffle feathers, he had to get shot of those who'd made a career out of playing one way. He also had to accommodate Torres. And he had to do it under a Chairman unwilling to take a step back to take a step forwards. In short none of the ingredients were there.

Are they there with us? Well I'd say we've a chairman who desperately wants to do it the visionary way, and who can't afford to follow the Abramovich path. AVB would have authority if he demonstrated he bought into that vision, even if the results weren't good (provided it wasn't relegation form!), and our team also really suits AVB's preferred style, imo.

All of which says why he might not be such a terrible choice, but doesn't make the case for why he'd be a really good one. Basically we can think of reasonable reasons for his failings, but that's a long way from saying this guy is definitely our man. Personally I think he'd be a big risk, however it much easier to envisage a big pay-off, if it works out, than it is for some of the other guys mentioned.

Not sure there are many AVB lovers in this thread. But you seem to have a strong anti-AVB opinion, what are your main fears?

Spot on. Let's remember Chelsea paid £13m for AVB and sacked him after 9 months of doing the project they had all agreed on - reshaping Chelsea. Also he was supposed to be focusing on youth and reducing expenditure/wage bill so they could become self sufficient. After 9 months what do they do? Rely on the soon-to-be-off Drogba and the ageing Terry/Lampard to get them CL, then sign two players for a combined £55m and £300k a week as a next season bailout

If there's a joker in that story not playing to the script, it isn't AVB.

Or alternatively we could get the ArryTron Two From Eight Automaton Unit: http://www.whoateallthepies.tv/tott...e-arrytron-two-from-eight-automaton-unit.html

 

[Mullers]

I've got a funny feeling that if Moyes was made manager, he would eventually end up getting stabbed in the back by the board.

 

[jimtheyid]

I want Moyes to be the manager I think.

As much as AVB would excite me, I think it would end up being a disaster.

 

[Mullers]

If our new manager is AVB, he is going to have the whole media on is neck. They will be just be itching for him to fail, they'll probably throw in some xenophobic crap for good measure.

 

[Spursbabe63]

I voted AVB, and I don't take any medication either!

I was a Harry fan also and still a little gutted he has gone, but out of all the names 'realistically' available, AVB was my first choice.

 

[rez9000]

Harry with AVB as his no.2 would have been the dream ticket,

AVB is tactics tactics tactics, oh and tactics - Harry thinks tactics are mints.

AVB is a shit man manager - Harry is a manager of men.

AVB is so boring in the dressing room - Harry is a larf'

AVB is unpopular with the players - the players all love 'arry

AVB hates press conferences - Harry becomes Ricky Jervais infront of the press.

I think we missed a trick here fellas.

But can you demonstrate that, ELY, without referring to Chelsea?

 

[venablesphil]

I'm amazed that not every single one of us voted for either Pep or Jose - I'm not saying for a second I think we could get either one but surely they would be no 1 target given the choice?

Perhaps the question should have been who is your 'realistic' No 1 Target