World Cup 2022: England, Wales & other European nations in talks over OneLove armbands

[Steffen]

So you guys think only countries exhibiting certain western values should get to host a world cup? Okay, let's also rename it to the western cup since we're at it then. Some of you sound just as imperialistic as the England from 5 centuries ago, it's just the nature of the empire you're trying to impose what's sort of different now.

No one is talking about values, religion, or anything meaningless like that. We're talking about human lives, and the right to live no matter how you are born - woman or man, gay or straight. We're not talking about if drinking alcohol is okay or not, if pork is okay to eat, or if shagging your cousin is alright. We're talking about PEOPLE, and their right to LIVE.

 

[Tucker]

As if anyone thinks England walking away fron the world cup would make a difference to what they do in Qatar. Let's throw our way of life aside because England didn't play our tournament

I mean, that’s not what people think is going to happen here at all is it. That’s just a stupid statement. A complete straw man. Nobody thinks that by boycotting the World Cup that Qatar will suddenly see the light and reform their whole society.

People are just disgusted that FIFA would hold a tournament there and that the various teams are just happy to go and be part of the whole charade.

 

[IfiHadTheWings]

It is not just about not making the stand, France & Hugo made it clear they aren't going to make a stand, but the England team have made a point that they are going to stand for something and getting routinely praised for doing so and then at the first sign of resistance have had their tummies tickled...it is weak and makes any of their other stances in future hollow, i'd rather not hear anything other than football/sport from them in the future as we have seen they are all talk no trousers.

 

[Japhet]

It is not just about not making the stand, France & Hugo made it clear they aren't going to make a stand, but the England team have made a point that they are going to stand for something and getting routinely praised for doing so and then at the first sign of resistance have had their tummies tickled...it is weak and makes any of their other stances in future hollow, i'd rather not hear anything other than football/sport from them in the future as we have seen they are all talk no trousers.

FIFA and the FA have orchestrated the climb down, no doubt because they're shitting themselves that details of all the corruption and bungs will be made public if they don't. The players have been strong armed into accepting it. Trouble is, after this opportunity, we'll never get rid of the bastards now.

 

[mil1lion]

I mean, that’s not what people think is going to happen here at all is it. That’s just a stupid statement. A complete straw man. Nobody thinks that by boycotting the World Cup that Qatar will suddenly see the light and reform their whole society.

People are just disgusted that FIFA would hold a tournament there and that the various teams are just happy to go and be part of the whole charade.

So what is the suggestion for walking from it then and what would it achieve?

 

[Tucker]

So what is the suggestion for walking from it then and what would it achieve?

Same as my motivation not to go to a party hosted by OJ Simpson I guess. Me not going isn’t gonna stop him being a murderer. Doesn’t mean I’d be happy to go to his birthday party.

 

[mil1lion]

Same as my motivation not to go to a party hosted by OJ Simpson I guess. Me not going isn’t gonna stop him being a murderer. Doesn’t mean I’d be happy to go to his birthday party.

Nothing like a world cup that nations play every 4 years. Yes they're playing in a country where people over here don't agree with their laws. They still want to represent their country though and fans can still enjoy the football. I think a lot is being made of the whole political side. The issue is with FIFA but its their competition at the end of the day and its a players dream to play at their world cup.

 

[fridgemagnet]

They missed a trick, an armband should have been part of the shirt for all the players, the captains armband could then be worn alongside it. It’s part of the shirt so can’t be taken off.

Just have named the starting XI with a player from the bench (like one not likely to be on for many matches/minutes) made him Captain, he gets booked, comes on does the coin flip/handshake, whistle goes and immediately hoof the ball out and sub him for who you would've started, he goes off hands the armband over to e.g Kane before leaving the field. Repeat and rotate for as long as teams are in the tournament.

Make as much of a noise and nonsense about what FIFA the FA's are doing as possible, that it will cause games to be held up for a substitution so cause some disruption without being a protest. If all those "one love teams" did the same how long before FIFA would do a reversal?

Also if any of those "one love" teams met in the tournament and a player is sent off for a second yellow (the first being for the armband) have an agreement that the opposing team would also withdraw a player.

As said, make it as noisy/nonsense as possible, I'd put a quid on FIFA climbing down first. RE booking the Captain.

 

[tcyrus]

No one is talking about values, religion, or anything meaningless like that. We're talking about human lives, and the right to live no matter how you are born - woman or man, gay or straight. We're not talking about if drinking alcohol is okay or not, if pork is okay to eat, or if shagging your cousin is alright. We're talking about PEOPLE, and their right to LIVE.

This right here

Just have named the starting XI with a player from the bench (like one not likely to be on for many matches/minutes) made him Captain, he gets booked, comes on does the coin flip/handshake, whistle goes and immediately hoof the ball out and sub him for who you would've started, he goes off hands the armband over to e.g Kane before leaving the field. Repeat and rotate for as long as teams are in the tournament.

Make as much of a noise and nonsense about what FIFA the FA's are doing as possible, that it will cause games to be held up for a substitution so cause some disruption without being a protest. If all those "one love teams" did the same how long before FIFA would do a reversal?

Also if any of those "one love" teams met in the tournament and a player is sent off for a second yellow (the first being for the armband) have an agreement that the opposing team would also withdraw a player.

As said, make it as noisy/nonsense as possible, I'd put a quid on FIFA climbing down first. RE booking the Captain.

Rubbish idea,
lets just go with the rules, know armbands making statements,
the end

 

[Tony-Bish]

Nah, just countries with basic human rights for all. If you don’t understand the situation, why even comment.

How far do you go with basic human rights?

I believe we have the basic human right to choose what goes into out own body especially when it's provided by nature, so smoking a certain herb or consuming mushrooms that are safer and have benefits that far outweigh alcohol, tobacco or eating junk food for example.

 

[ralvy]

Nah, just countries with basic human rights for all. If you don’t understand the situation, why even comment.

Human rights? Yeah, should I remind you about how the UK and the US decided to destroy Iraq just less than 20 years ago? Or what about the manipulation of events to trigger civil wars and Coup d'états in places such as Ukraine, Libya, Guatemala, etc.?

Also, here in the west we fully embrace the type of big corporations which claim access to water shouldn't be considered a human right and in fact have pretty much dried up the water supplies of certain African communities.

But sure, It's Qatar and all those Islamic countries the ones who hate basic human rights.

And before anyone accuses me of whataboutism and whatnot, please understand that that was the point. Most western countries, or at least not the most powerful ones, simply have no legs to stand when it comes to the matter of human rights .

 

[ralvy]

No one is talking about values, religion, or anything meaningless like that. We're talking about human lives, and the right to live no matter how you are born - woman or man, gay or straight. We're not talking about if drinking alcohol is okay or not, if pork is okay to eat, or if shagging your cousin is alright. We're talking about PEOPLE, and their right to LIVE.

You may not be talking about that, but you certainly do show a lot of contempt for their culture.

Also, you mentioned the right to live no matter how you're born, yet here in our western culture (probably also in islamic cultures) if you're not yet born then you shouldn't be considered PEOPLE and having a right to LIVE, right? Yeah, please keep telling me all about that sacred right to LIVE which western countries couldn't care less about, it sounds like such a beautiful thing.

And finally, no, this isn't about the right to LIVE. This is about those fucktard one love armbands and how some people think it's okay to go to other countries to disrespect their cultures and break their laws.

 

[Steffen]

You may not be talking about that, but you certainly do show a lot of contempt for their culture.

Also, you mentioned the right to live no matter how you're born, yet here in our western culture (probably also in islamic cultures) if you're not yet born then you shouldn't be considered PEOPLE and having a right to LIVE, right? Yeah, please keep telling me all about that sacred right to LIVE which western countries couldn't care less about, it sounds like such a beautiful thing.

And finally, no, this isn't about the right to LIVE. This is about those fucktard one love armbands and how some people think it's okay to go to other countries to disrespect their cultures and break their laws.

No one forced Qatar to bribe FIFA to get the World Cup, or am I mistaken? If you decide you want to host the biggest event in the world, with participants from the whole world, you should be prepared to set aside your medieval rules - not the other way around.

 

[Neon_Knight_]

It is not just about not making the stand, France & Hugo made it clear they aren't going to make a stand, but the England team have made a point that they are going to stand for something and getting routinely praised for doing so and then at the first sign of resistance have had their tummies tickled...it is weak and makes any of their other stances in future hollow, i'd rather not hear anything other than football/sport from them in the future as we have seen they are all talk no trousers.

The FA was willing to swallow fines over the armband. They had also ignored (and criticised) FIFA's requests to "focus on the football". That's not rolling over at the first sign of resistance...more like the third or fourth sign.

The latest media reports suggest that there was the potential threat of a one-match suspension, not just a yellow card, for any captain wearing the one love armband.

Even if it was 'only' a yellow card, that would mean a suspension for Kane after wearing the armband for two matches. If he then gets booked during a game, he'd not only be sent off and suspended for the next match, but also have a yellow card against his name going into subsequent games - that could easily lead to a second suspension. Also, I presume he would be carded and told to take the armband off off, with sanctions escalating if he doesn't, so in reality there was probably only the option of wearing it as he walks out rather than during gameplay.

 

[ChaoticBeaver]

I believe we have the basic human right to choose what goes into out own body especially when it's provided by nature, so smoking a certain herb or consuming mushrooms that are safer and have benefits that far outweigh alcohol, tobacco or eating junk food for example.

Strange take.

Yeah most people enjoy those things but its not a basic human right to get high, it is however a basic human right to not be imprisoned/executed for your sexuality.

 

[SirHarryHotspur]

The sole reason FIFA will take the WC anywhere there is big money on offer, same goes for the players, referees etc.

Fifa World Cup revenue up by more than $1bn after taking tournament to Qatar

Fifa has increased its World Cup revenue by more than $1bn to $7.5bn after taking the tournament to Qatar, the governing body has revealed

www.theguardian.com

 

[ChaoticBeaver]

Human rights? Yeah, should I remind you about how the UK and the US decided to destroy Iraq just less than 20 years ago? Or what about the manipulation of events to trigger civil wars and Coup d'états in places such as Ukraine, Libya, Guatemala, etc.?

Also, here in the west we fully embrace the type of big corporations which claim access to water shouldn't be considered a human right and in fact have pretty much dried up the water supplies of certain African communities.

But sure, It's Qatar and all those Islamic countries the ones who hate basic human rights.

And before anyone accuses me of whataboutism and whatnot, please understand that that was the point. Most western countries, or at least not the most powerful ones, simply have no legs to stand when it comes to the matter of human rights .

You obviously have an issue with the past and cant move forward.

We’re talking about the fact that you can be executed or imprisoned for your sexuality and are treated as second class citizen as a female.

Every country has their problems, America is trying to go backwards for one, it doesn’t mean we just ignore medieval views because of other issues. Get a grip

 

[tcyrus]

Human rights? Yeah, should I remind you about how the UK and the US decided to destroy Iraq just less than 20 years ago? Or what about the manipulation of events to trigger civil wars and Coup d'états in places such as Ukraine, Libya, Guatemala, etc.?

Also, here in the west we fully embrace the type of big corporations which claim access to water shouldn't be considered a human right and in fact have pretty much dried up the water supplies of certain African communities.

But sure, It's Qatar and all those Islamic countries the ones who hate basic human rights.

And before anyone accuses me of whataboutism and whatnot, please understand that that was the point. Most western countries, or at least not the most powerful ones, simply have no legs to stand when it comes to the matter of human rights .

No one forced Qatar to bribe FIFA to get the World Cup, or am I mistaken? If you decide you want to host the biggest event in the world, with participants from the whole world, you should be prepared to set aside your medieval rules - not the other way around.

Those medieval rules seem to be working,
I wonder why there's know real talk of fan violence or supporters smashing up bars
LOL !
what they scared of ?

Clowns !

 

[Trix]

Those medieval rules seem to be working,
I wonder why there's know real talk of fan violence or supporters smashing up bars
LOL !
what they scared of ?

Clowns !

being beheaded?

 

[Jamturk]

What if you're wrong?