Zokora - Worst Player I've ever seen

[MattyP]

I'm not suprised mate.
When you give honest opinions on here you always get a bashing.
People don't like hearing the truth.

Not really mate - you've got your opinion, I respect your right to have an opinion and to state your opinion.

It would be boring if someone started a thread saying "Zokora is great" followed by 3,000 posts saying I agree.

Not that I've neg repped you, but I don't think he's the worst player to wear the spurs shirt, I don't think he's the worst current premiership player, I don't even think he is the worst current squad member.

The timing of the rant is a bit surprising, as I'd be surprised if he has done something to wind you up yesterday or today. He didn't play well last game, but neither did most of the team, and there were threads galore since Sunday in which to express it.

But there you go, that's my two pence. I'm not going to defend him to you, even though I disagree with you.

 

[SpurSince57]

Which he does. The back for play too deep to be of any assistance to him though.

Remember he's a CM not a DM

Despite the fact that he said he was a DM in a newspaper interview last season? If he doesn't know what position he plays, no wonder we're in trouble.

Anyone got any stats on his pass completion?

85.5%. It's his tackling that I have an issue with. 61.7% success rate is not good enough for a player in his position (and it was down at 56% a little while back). The Hudd's is barely any better. By way of comparison, Jenas' is a highly respectable 78%, O'Hara's an outstanding 94.1% and Lennon's 84.7% (!). Yes, I know stats don't tell you everything, but those suggest there's a reason why we're getting out-scrapped in central midfield. For all Zokora's willingness to put himself about, he's not the ball-winner we need.

The premise that he is the worst player we've ever had, though, is preposterous.

 

[JollyHappy]

It's ahrdly worth replying to the initial thread except to point how utterly stupid the post is!

Zokora has pros and cons.

Is he the worst Spurs Player we have seen - of course not!! The list of worse players just in midfield is huge. Remember Toda from a couple of years ago? Or going further back Jason Dozzell.

IMHO a stupid thread and I think we need a section for the worst SC threads of all time and I nominate this one as a starter.

 

[paul_1979yid]

Despite the fact that he said he was a DM in a newspaper interview last season? If he doesn't know what position he plays, no wonder we're in trouble.



85.5%. It's his tackling that I have an issue with. 61.7% success rate is not good enough for a player in his position (and it was down at 56% a little while back). The Hudd's is barely any better. By way of comparison, Jenas' is a highly respectable 78%, O'Hara's an outstanding 94.1% and Lennon's 84.7% (!). Yes, I know stats don't tell you everything, but those suggest there's a reason why we're getting out-scrapped in central midfield. For all Zokora's willingness to put himself about, he's not the ball-winner we need.

The premise that he is the worst player we've ever had, though, is preposterous.

Really?? That aobut 35.5% better than i expected. Qite shocked by that. You are also right in the fact that his tackling is not good enough for a player who plays in the centre of the park, be it DM or CM. Stats are nt the answer to all the probs but if we have players who cant tackle in the middle of the pitch we will get 'out battled' by the likes of Hull, WBA, Stoke, Wigan.

Even with those stats he is still far from the worst player i have seen

 

[recklessyido]

Rubbish footballer! totaly agree with this thread

 

[fedupyid]

Zokora is an over eager championship player that is a headless chicken who everyone thinks does great challenges but most of these are lunges in because he is only in correct position at kick-off.

 

[WhiteStripe]

Zokora is an over eager championship player that is a headless chicken who everyone thinks does great challenges but most of these are lunges in because he is only in correct position at kick-off.

Hmmm....talk about sweeping generalised statement!! I think if you actually asked most people, even the biggest of Zokora lovers', you would see thatthis is not what everyone thinks, and is probably the area of his game he needs to improve most!

:roll:

 

[Rocksuperstar]

Zokora is an over eager championship player that is a headless chicken who everyone thinks does great challenges but most of these are lunges in because he is only in correct position at kick-off.

Well, seeing as all the others haven't answered, lets try you - Martin Jol, Wendy Ramos and Harry Redknapp - three respected and experienced managers, and Damien Comolli, an arguably well informed DoF for several large clubs in his career, all have seen fit to praise him and play him, regularly, in our starting lineup. These are only a few of those who rate Zokora, who has represented his country 75 times.

Why?

What do you know, as joe public, that these seasoned and educated professionals don't?

"What's that, Harry? You're playing Zokora again? Yoooou don't want to do it like thaaaat!"

 

[walworthyid]

The whole point of my post was because i have had enough of WATCHING him week in week out on TV and at the game.
Even if you did shout out the telly with your eyes closed, you can still hear how crap he is every time the commentator goes "Possesion lost again by Zokora".

So are you saying that if we remove zokora and replace him with JJ our problems would be solved?

I suggest that we would be far worse off having to rely on Hudd and JJ every week.

 

[WhiteStripe]

"What's that, Harry? You're playing Zokora again? Yoooou don't want to do it like thaaaat!"

:rofl::rofl:

 

[Marty]

Well, seeing as all the others haven't answered, lets try you - Martin Jol, Wendy Ramos and Harry Redknapp - three respected and experienced managers, and Damien Comolli, an arguably well informed DoF for several large clubs in his career, all have seen fit to praise him and play him, regularly, in our starting lineup. These are only a few of those who rate Zokora, who has represented his country 75 times.

The one thing I don't understand with Harry is that he ditched Zokora when he came in, we were playing well and winning games, and then for no apparent reason THudd is replaced by Zokora. A winning team was changed and we've been struggling again since, with the exception of the Spammers win.

 

[WhiteStripe]

The one thing I don't understand with Harry is that he ditched Zokora when he came in, we were playing well and winning games, and then for no apparent reason THudd is replaced by Zokora. A winning team was changed and we've been struggling again since, with the exception of the Spammers win.

Thudd was injured for much of the supposed dropping incident.

 

[Marty]

But then why didn't Harry return to the winning team we had when THudd returned and we weren't winning?

 

[AnotherSpursFan]

Jebus crisps...

Look, if so many of you hate him that much then either

a) Make a facebook group about it, that seems to be a popular way for people to shout off about people they don't like.

or

b) Just go and have a fight with the guy, if nothing else it will make you feel better.

Until Harry, Ramos & Martin all release stories claiming they were on drugs when they admired the big fella, i have to stand by their opinion as it appears to match mine. Whereas you see him running away from the ball, i see him making space - i'd love to watch a few games on the tellybox with you and one of Sky's magic pens so you can pause it and show me where he should've been and when.

He's a hard working, incredibly fit midfielder who is our only back tackling midfielder right now. He has the pace Jamie'O lacks, he has the strength Lennon and Modric lack, he has the balls when going in for a tackle that... well, our entire team short of Jamie'O lacks. He runs with the ball, spots a gap opening up and goes for it. Granted sometimes it won't come off, but Bale is f*cking diabolical, Bentley has sucked satans balls, aside from one or two good touches and Bent has been nothing but a pre-season hero.

Get the f*ck off of his back - you don't like him, we get it, but we don't need another new thread every time someone decides that a member of our first team, a player lauded by several very respected managers, with many years experience in the game and many more hours spent in his company whilst training, being picked ahead of other options and still getting slated when the side around him are playing like a bunch of muggins, is "the worst player ever to pull on a Spurs shirt" or whatever.

Trust me, there are many, many, many worse players to have pulled on the lilywhite shirt.

And next time, search for one of the 8 bajillion "I Hate Zokora" threads... this one is unnecessary.

The thing is why is he running from the ball everytime our central defenders has it, is it not his responsibility to collect the ball and make a simple distribution to his more creative colleagues.

He looks strong but crumples to the ground like a kitty with the slightest of body contact. I've seen Lennon and Modric in particular remained on their feet having withstood far tougher challenges.

 

[PYiddy]

Not sure Zokora is quite as bad as your making out. I refer to him as 'The Good, The Bad and The Ugly' and this is why:

The Good:
(i) Fantastic Engine and ability to get up and down the pitch all day
(ii) Gives 110% every game and clearly means allot to him (more then can be said for others)
(iii) Has the ability to burst from deep midfield with the ball and open holes in oppositions midfield
(iv) Decent skill and ball control
(v) Hurries the opposition and can be a general pain in the arse to get past

The Bad:
(i) Passing is hit and miss
(ii) Clumsy tackler and gives allot of fouls away in dangerous positions
(iii) A lack of composure when put under pressure

The Ugly:
(i) Shooting! I've seen school kids with more accurate shooting then Zoko.

SUMMARY:
He reminds me very much of Steffen Freund...and ultimately, he was not good enough either despite being a fan fave. I love Zoko's passion and commitment (just as I did with Freundy), but I think he needs to be replaced in the midfield if we're to progress!

i agree

 

[WhiteStripe]

But then why didn't Harry return to the winning team we had when THudd returned and we weren't winning?

Well, he's only just back from injury, possibly he wasn't fit? Possibly because of other players lack of effort he felt he needed other players in the team that would get stuck in more. I don't think there's any doubting that some of his selections have backfired, but I would struggle to put a team that works out at the moment, on paper its a piece of piss, but in reality, its a lot harder.

 

[PYiddy]

Very well put, I very much agree with you although I would argue that his skill and ball control isn't really all that good, particularly his first touch.

actaully i agree with this.

 

[Chiedozies_Afro]

Zokora's second touch is usually a tackle.

 

[PYiddy]

Paul Hawksbee on talksport described him being "like a dog chasing a baloon".


I lol'ed

 

[ginol@14]

Zokora's second touch is usually a tackle.

you are obviously a jenas lover !

at least zokora tries his best , he is limited as a player but i have never seen him not give anything other than 100% and you cant ask for more than that.

harry obviously rates him so no matter how much you bitch and moan about him you will have to get used to seeing him play because at the moment there is no one better than him in his position :-|