Christian Ceballos

[archiewasking]

By all accounts it's inaccurate, as Lennon is hung like a horse.

They shoot horses, don't they?

 

[IGSpur]

Actually more like 11 goals and 8 assists in 22 games total. Ryan Mason had 8 goals and 3 assists in 10, Obika 18 goals and 4 assists in 17, Falque 6 goals and 6 assits in 8 and so on. So guess there we have our new front 4 for 13/14?

Sigurdsson was more PL proven than Bentaleb 6 months ago. I guess we should never have given him a chance as he only scored 4 goals for the u21s, the season before. Who would you rather have now? I know I'd rather have Kane over Defoe despite the fact Kane hasn't bagged 18 PL goals in a season. You can only play who you are up against. How else is a young player to prove he is better or more useful than experienced player without getting a chance?

 

[Kendall]

Sigurdsson was more PL proven than Bentaleb 6 months ago. I guess we should never have given him a chance as he only scored 4 goals for the u21s, the season before. Who would you rather have now. I know I'd rather have Kane over Defore despite the fact Kane hasn't bagged 18 PL goals in a season. You can only play who you are up against. How else is a young player to prove he is better or more useful than experienced player without getting a chance?

I do agree with you, but there was no risk with Kane/Bentaleb/Veljkovic because they didn't (and still don't) take up squad places. A decision has to be made now as to whether we allow someone like Ceballos to take up a position in an already bloated squad that now has to potentially include Falque, Fredericks and Fryers.

 

[CheeseGromit]

Not negative, merely realistic. You've seen quite a few players of supposedly similar standing on summer friendlies having decent games and get similar hype without them ever leaving mark on competitive games. And of course I support him, shitloads more than big chunk of here support Naughtons, Dawsons and Roses of 1st team, I'm just not expecting him to feature for Spurs. As for making it about support, I'm not biggest fan Lennon, but I'm not calling him to be replaced due youtube clip and 45 mins on summer friendly. At least I support and honor him that much for his years of service.

Well I don't think your post is so much nonsense as others do
It is reasonable not to have the same opinion as others and hope for the same outcome. Time will tell if he can hack it in the hurly burly of the league.

It is much easier to see how he performs every day with the squad than a You Tube clip. He is without doubt close to a turning point at 22 and has to start delivering on the pitch

Let's hope he has a good season for the clubs benefit

 

[Gbspurs]

I do agree with you, but there was no risk with Kane/Bentaleb/Veljkovic because they didn't (and still don't) take up squad places. A decision has to be made now as to whether we allow someone like Ceballos to take up a position in an already bloated squad that now has to potentially include Falque, Fredericks and Fryers.

Good point. Europa squad only until Jan?

 

[IGSpur]

I do agree with you, but there was no risk with Kane/Bentaleb/Veljkovic because they didn't (and still don't) take up squad places. A decision has to be made now as to whether we allow someone like Ceballos to take up a position in an already bloated squad that now has to include Falque and Fryers.

Fair. But I was more addressing the point that it seemed like he was being dismissed for either having only done well in our u21s or because we can't find any clear evidence as to how he did on loan. Without knowing the exact rule off by heart, I would register him, as Davies counts as HG right and I would just not register Friedel in the PL squad.

 

[Kendall]

Fair. But I was more addressing the point that it seemed like he was being dismissed for either having only done well in our u21s or because we can't find any clear evidence as to how he did on loan. Without knowing the exact rule off by heart, I would register him, as Davies counts as HG right and I would just not register Friedel in the PL squad.

They count as HG, but they still have to be part of the 23. Whereas Kane, Bentaleb and Veljkovic, all of whom I am expecting to play a part this year don't have to be.

You are probably right on Friedel, but we did give him a contract extension for some weird reason.

What I think is that like any player under 21 doesn't have to be registered, any player over 40 shouldn't either!!!

 

[FinnYid]

I'd like to see more of him, but he seems to play in a position where we have better players ahead of him who aren't actually that much older. Honestly, I thought he was still something like 18, not a couple of months younger than Eriksen and Lamela. Not sure we can afford him taking up a squad place at this stage.

And didn't he came in so old that he won't even be counted as homegrown?

In that case he is competing for places with:

Foreign:
Friedel
Lloris
Kaboul
Vlad
Jan
Dembele
Sandro
Capoue
Paulinho
Holtby
Chadli
Eriksen
Lamela
Soldado
Adebayor
BAE
(16)
(Khumalo on top of those)

Homegrown
Rose
Naughton
Walker
Dawson
Lennon
Siggy
Townsend
Carroll
Fryers
(9)

Other in our squad that won't fit in as kid anymore:
Ryan Fredericks
Jon Obika
Ryan Mason
Iago Falque

So pending on squad changes there might or might not be slot for him.

 

[Kendall]

And didn't he came in so old that he won't even be counted as homegrown?

In that case he is competing for places with:

Foreign:
Friedel
Lloris
Kaboul
Vlad
Jan
Dembele
Sandro
Capoue
Paulinho
Holtby
Chadli
Eriksen
Lamela
Soldado
Adebayor
BAE
(16)
(Khumalo on top of those)

Homegrown
Rose
Naughton
Walker
Dawson
Lennon
Siggy
Townsend
Carroll
Fryers
(9)

Other in our squad that won't fit in as kid anymore:
Ryan Fredericks
Jon Obika
Ryan Mason
Iago Falque

So pending on squad changes there might or might not be slot for him.

It depends. According to wiki (yes, I know) he was on a training contract with us in 2010-11 but we didn't sign him properly until July 2011, meaning that he was only registered to play for us for 2 years and 5 months before his 21st birthday. BUT if they count the months he was on a training contract with us, then he might qualify.

Grey area.


I guess we can pretty much straight swap Siggy and Davies on that list, so no change.

 

[FinnYid]

Sigurdsson was more PL proven than Bentaleb 6 months ago. I guess we should never have given him a chance as he only scored 4 goals for the u21s, the season before. Who would you rather have now?

And Jordan Archer has 0 goals in U21s - guess your playing position, age and such matter bit too when looking what player has directly produced in goals and assists on U21s. Anyway given free choice of those 2 guess big majority of PL managers would go with Siggy.

 

[SlunkSoma]

Showed excellent poise and balance in that game. Only so much you can take from the first friendly, but his general style looked very promising. Feel we've been investing in the youth for a good few years, and with Ceballos and Falque coming through we are starting to see some produce.

 

[FinnYid]

Showed excellent poise and balance in that game. Only so much you can take from the first friendly, but his general style looked very promising. Feel we've been investing in the youth for a good few years, and with Ceballos and Falque coming through we are starting to see some produce.

Falque had already had very strong season at Segunda with Villarreal before coming to us on rather mature age and has been on loan most of his time with us, so isn't much of a product of our system. And in half a year will be closer to 30 than 20 (turns 25 in jan) so hardly a kid anymore either.

 

[SlunkSoma]

Falque had already had very strong season at Segunda with Villarreal before coming to us on rather mature age and has been on loan most of his time with us, so isn't much of a product of our system. And in half a year will be closer to 30 than 20 (turns 25 in jan) so hardly a kid anymore either.

Everything you say is correct. Didn't say he was a kid but certainly one that has developed with us on the outskirts of the first team.

 

[mpickard2087]

It is make or break time for him and the people of his age group like Carroll, Mason etc. To be fair though I have read on numerous occasions where people from our academy say that we try not to rush the youngsters through until they are ready and gain first team experience on loan and they reckon 21/22 is the age where they should be coming into first team contention... So any comparisons with what other players have done at a similar age is maybe unfair if we have a different way of doing things as a club.

 

[beats1]

It is make or break time for him and the people of his age group like Carroll, Mason etc. To be fair though I have read on numerous occasions where people from our academy say that we try not to rush the youngsters through until they are ready and gain first team experience on loan and they reckon 21/22 is the age where they should be coming into first team contention... So any comparisons with what other players have done at a similar age is maybe unfair if we have a different way of doing things as a club.

The thing is all over Europe the top clubs are finding that the age at which a player breaks in to the first team is getting higher. Even Barcelona have said the age of bringing for a player to break in to the the first team is higher. hence the reason they lost Thiago.

The issue is teams have too big of a squad, so bigger teams have started loan players out. However our loan moves have always been terrible

 

[Locotoro]

Many of you are not applying any context to Ceballos' performances last year.

Arouca had just been promoted to the Portuguese Primeira Liga and were sure candidates for the drop. For a club with a stadium capacity of 5000 to be playing against the likes of Porto, Sporting and Benfica and finish a very impressive 12th. That kind of achievement is like Bournemouth coming up and finishing mid-table.

The problem with the U21s is that it is filled with very good players who will dominate most games so a good player in a great team will not have to work as hard to look good. However, in sending him to Arouca it was obvious that he would be playing in a team that had very little possession and would be required work very hard defensively and that is why he was sent there, in order to develop his defensive game.

His goal/assist stats should be taken into context and the all round performances he put in should be considered.

Now that he is back with us I think he will be less flash in the pan/silky skills and more productive and efficient.

 

[faze_coys]

you cant use stats to effectively evaluate youth/young prospects

 

[Lufti]

At around 1:10 I thought Fryers looked pretty quick, especially against Yedlin, then I saw this on Walker's instagram

http://instagram.com/p/mdXXjGE3Pv/?modal=true

Can't seem to copy it.. Maybe his stature is deceiving

 

[TheGreenLily]

Genuinely hope he gets game time to show us what he can do.

Genuinely agree.

Would rather see him play, than someone likes of Lennon and co who have had nearly 10 years and is just much of a muchness and now has an amazing ability to go invisible on the pitch.

In fact I think Spurs should sell/find employment to/at the MoD to further enhance our knowledge on stealth technology, Lennon is that prolific.

 

[WiganSpur]

He is 22 in few months, the hype at Barca was beyond 5 years ago, when he was just small kid (cue to Owen Price). He never got playing competitive games at Barca B, never won youth caps with Spain etc., so it's rather fair to say at that point when he left for us, he wasn't highly regarded.

He played 19 League games (1.288 mins) at Arouca last season scoring 1 and having 0 or 1 assists pending on source. He also featured on 5 domestic cup games (357 mins) scoring 1 and having 0 assists. Wouldn't hold my breath regarding any sort of breakthrough.

You're right in what you're saying, but football is a funny old game and it doesn't always work out like this. For me the guy proved against Seattle that he's worthy of at least another extended opportunity. I'm sure you'd agree.

For a start, he's only played 45 minutes under Pochettino. He could be one to thrive under his coaching and system, but at the moment it's still too early to say. If he impresses in the upcoming pre-season fixtures, then i'd say it's fair to keep him around the squad and start to give him opportunities in some cup games.