ENIC - The Poll

[beats1]

I dont have a problem with ENIC, but I think its time for Levy to step down

 

[Steffen]

I get what you mean, but the notion that money from other countries/owners is "clean" is laughable.

Google & Meta make fortunes exploiting our personal lives, I'd say that's a lot more "dodgy" than selling oil from a well. The problem is their general stance on human rights issues, not so much where the income comes from.

Yeah, I have no issues with it being oil money. It's more to do with their stance on human rights.

 

[SandroClegane]

ENIC in, Levy out

 

[skiba]

exactly
Van dyke instead of Sanchez
Suarez
Missing out on Salah and Marne

A million left backs and right backs.

Not selling players and replacing fast enough!

Bad scouting and poor choices on the pitch.

Not to mention the obsession with “tactical managers”

He was also responsible for one of the most farcical manager searches I have ever seen. To pass up on ETH after coming out with that statement about returning to attacking football clearly shows he doesn't know enough about the game to lead a club of our size. Anyone who watched his Ajax teams knew he was the obvious candidate at the time and with how United are going, it could prove to be another massive fuck up on a list of many.

 

[mattspur1986]

100% OUT! i don't think the fanbase have been so united as it s now ( apart from a few) that want him/them gone. its now got as far as chants being heard, and mentioned in live games.can't be ignored for much longer. SURELY?

 

[JonnyBGood]

But who is happy with their owners?

Arsenal - have to admit, since full control by Kroneke they are doing well, but years of stagnation post Dein.
Aston Villa - spending plenty for their position, but aren't they just slightly better than West Ham's ownership?
Bournemouth - too new
Brentford - great work but is their a ceiling to the analytical approach
Brighton - best example of a club buying low and selling for a profit, but is this strategy going to get them into Europe consistently, or will they eventually do a Southampton?
Chelsea - Years of running on a Credit Card named Abramovich, now are either going to be one of the most exciting clubs going forward or bankrupted in five years with a First Team squad of over 100.
Crystal Palace - Steady as they go, but must be quite boring.
Everton - spent the money, no strategy and most definitely a warning for a large club when you get it wrong.
Fulham - more miss than hit.
Leicester - run out of money.
Leeds - exciting but flirting with disaster.
Liverpool - broke the curse for Boston and Liverpool, but an aging squad, possibly worse than ours.
City - well run, but have bottomless funding.
United - behind the scenes a total shitshow, owners draining cash from the club, look to have got lucky with ETH.
Newcastle - after years of tyranny under Ashley, have sold their soul, could work.
Forest - Chelsea without the budget, going to be a wild ride.
Southampton - the original Brighton, but seem doomed.
West Ham - have a brand new stadium for free and still can't turn that into a good squad or commercial enterprise.
Wolves - Nuno and the cash worked well for a while, but hit a ceiling and are now in freefall.

So out of that list, how many are happy with their owners? 5 at a push...

I will state categorically, I have been an ENIC apologist for a long time. At the time of the takeover you could argue there was 50% percent chance of us being more like a Sunderland, Leeds or West Ham. Most of this last decade has been so amazing, but I no longer have the love.

We seem to have a poor strategy, we are somewhere between wanting to be a Premium Brighton and a Cut Price Chelsea. My biggest gripe being we have the highest ticket prices. Investment in the squad is either too little or blown on the wrong players. 20 years running the business tends to get stale. Fear or inability to take the next step.

It is either time for Levy to step aside or truly delegate the football side to those who can. This doesn't need for ENIC to be gone. Maybe ENIC and Levy are permanently bound, so my question is answered and if I want Levy to be doing less, ENIC has to go.

My best guess of life after ENIC is being better than the current regime is probably less than 20%, 60% chance of standing still and a 20% chance of being the next giant to lose the plot.

So my question to the ENIC out at all costs group. Given the chances of the next owners being better is pretty low. Other than the hope of "new" is better what are you looking for? The SC Community is not known for its boundless optimism, so why are so convinced this is the way forward? I currently don't share your conviction that life will be better and I know living through the Scholar and Sugar years, it could be a lot worse.

 

[piedpiper]

Get the fuck out!

And that's putting it kindly !!!

 

[Japhet]

Voted out. I've had enough of trying to run the football side on the cheap. I really don't want Quatari money either, but ENIC and Levy have had plenty of chances to show proper ambition and will to compete but have lacked to courage to go for it time after time. We're back to everything going at a snail's pace now, and whilst I think Todd Boehly is a total bellend for the way he's acting, at least he's an ambitious bellend who knows what supporters like. We still seem to be trying to buy to make a profit when we should be trying to win.

 

[Karol]

Who gives a flying toss if other clubs fans are happy with their owners, I certainly don't

New owners, bring it on I say
To dare is to do

Levy has really lowered the bar for expectations for some, musn't do a Leeds

 

[Hoddlegenius]

Enic out - they've had their time, they've done lots of good things for the club as has Levy but despite our amazing training facilities, stadium and decent financial position, we have barely won anything since they took charge and I want to see some trophies in our dusty old cabinet!

 

[newbie]

He was also responsible for one of the most farcical manager searches I have ever seen. To pass up on ETH after coming out with that statement about returning to attacking football clearly shows he doesn't know enough about the game to lead a club of our size. Anyone who watched his Ajax teams knew he was the obvious candidate at the time and with how United are going, it could prove to be another massive fuck up on a list of many.

I think if we back conte it will pay off

Agree his decision-making has been shocking from managers to sporting directors with dodgy posts. He has made us a joke, not to mention the terrible terrible run of signings.

 

[alpha]

He was also responsible for one of the most farcical manager searches I have ever seen. To pass up on ETH after coming out with that statement about returning to attacking football clearly shows he doesn't know enough about the game to lead a club of our size. Anyone who watched his Ajax teams knew he was the obvious candidate at the time and with how United are going, it could prove to be another massive fuck up on a list of many.

Totally agree! I still can't believe we passed up on ETH, as allegedly Levy wasn't convinced with ETH's grasp of English and then went for Nuno instead!

 

[SUIYHA]

Exactly as A&C says in the OP - I don't like the way the poll is worded and am not going to vote in current form. This is no different to the Brexit vote with a clear "Remain" and keep the status quo on one side, and an ambiguous "Leave" on the other side without any consensus as to whether that meant with a deal, what kind of deal that would look like, or no deal at all.

ENIC did an excellent job for a long time, but their performance over the last 5 years or so has been unacceptably bad and something significant has to change at the club. Many of you will paint Levy up to be the boogie monster - an easy, visible target that you can direct all your hate onto as the root of all of our problems that if only he were to go away then all would get better. I get that mindset, as I think he's fleeced the fans and it feels unfair that others have had to pay for his mistakes in the past, but if people think that there aren't far far worse owners out there - whether from a football, financial or ethical perspective - you're an utter fucking idiot.

I am deeply unhappy with the current state of affairs. But I won't vote ENIC Out until I understand what I'm voting for.

 

[Clockspur]

I thought it was 80/20, might be higher than I thought.

When you hear the away fans singing it at Palace and Fulham (both wins without conceding) you know something is rotten.

We have to be realistic though, it will take a long time unfortunately - Summer at the absolute earliest. In the meantime we are still in a good enough position so clinch top 4 and can hopefully buck the Enic/Levy trend and land a trophy this year

 

[Gassin's finest]

ENIC in, Levy out

This is the rationale for my vote.

• Enic... arguably you'll struggle to find more stability elsewhere.
• Levy... ran out of patience with him a long time ago.

I don't know how much one is tied to the other though, so if they are one and the same then fair enough.

 

[onthetwo]

My answer (ENIC out) is based on the fact that in 22 years, despite having generational talents on the pitch (Kane, Son, Modric, Bale etc) AND serial winners coaching the team (Mourinho and Conte most notably) we havent been able to get the team over the line in any competition so thats on ENIC IMO.

 

[talkshowhost86]

ENIC out but with no human rights violators coming in would be my vote

Sadly that is probably Impossible in modern football

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

Exactly as A&C says in the OP - I don't like the way the poll is worded and am not going to vote in current form. This is no different to the Brexit vote with a clear "Remain" and keep the status quo on one side, and an ambiguous "Leave" on the other side without any consensus as to whether that meant with a deal, what kind of deal that would look like, or no deal at all.

ENIC did an excellent job for a long time, but their performance over the last 5 years or so has been unacceptably bad and something significant has to change at the club. Many of you will paint Levy up to be the boogie monster - an easy, visible target that you can direct all your hate onto as the root of all of our problems that if only he were to go away then all would get better. I get that mindset, as I think he's fleeced the fans and it feels unfair that others have had to pay for his mistakes in the past, but if people think that there aren't far far worse owners out there - whether from a football, financial or ethical perspective - you're an utter fucking idiot.

I am deeply unhappy with the current state of affairs. But I won't vote ENIC Out until I understand what I'm voting for.

I think you're taking it way too seriously and giving extreme examples as for why. It's a poll on a website not a binding choice that you might live to regret

But I expected a handful of people saying this.

 

[talkshowhost86]

A&C out!

 

[joelstinton14]

Who gives a flying toss if other clubs fans are happy with their owners, I certainly don’t

It’s a valid point to bring up because it suggests that ultimately there’s a big disconnect between fans and their football club and no matter who the owners are people are never going to be happy. It tells me that there is something fundamentally broken with football and the way it exists in its current form at the highest level. Basically the sheer volume of money in the game as warped everyone’s view of the game and how they engage with it.

I know the FSG out crowd at Liverpool aren’t representative of their entire fanbase but it’s nuts that there is such vocal movement considering the success they had in the last 5 years under their stewardship. It feels like amongst the premier league that if your club isn’t winning it’s #managerout or #ownerout. I can’t remember a time where there have been so many vocal ‘chairman/owners out’ movements. Over the last couple of seasons there been Arsenal, Everton, Liverpool, UTD, Us. To a lesser extent West Ham and Southampton?

It’s telling that 4 of those are top 6 sides. The pressure to win something is that fucking high that fans (and the clubs) will do anything to try and get it whether it’s fans demanding clubs spend spend spend or clubs trying to join Ill advised super leagues. I totally get our fans discontent but I think that this runs deeper than what many of us are letting on.