Fatigue

[Mr Pink]

Was the same for palace and we have a much bigger squad than them

No it wasn't really. They had an extra day's recovery. And we didn't use the squad like we should of.

 

[dondo]

No it wasn't really. They had an extra day's recovery. And we didn't use the squad like we should of.

And who's fault is that ? You can't have a big squad not use it and complain about fatuige

 

[Mr Pink]

And who's fault is that ? You can't have a big squad not use it and complain about fatuige

That's my point, I was disappointed we didn't make more changes against Chelsea, particularly because Palace had an extra day's recovery.

 

[Trix]

Three games in a week those poor poor things :-(.

For players who Lloris apart have only played around half our games.

Honestly I am not saying at elite level it can be tough I'm sure but at this stage in the season with all other teams doing the same I find it just a bollocks excuse.

It's not three games in a week it's 4 games in 10 days and three games in 6 days. The only other teams to have played the same games in the same time frame, all struggled against inferior opposition aswell. Chelsea, Pool and the Scum all should have won on paper yesterday but were all run off the park(physically speaking) by lesser teams. It doesn't matter how fit you are or how much money you earn(which I think is a issue to a lot of fans when talking about fatigue), your muscles still need adequate time to recover. we have had 48 hours between the last four fixtures and is medically nowhere near enough. Ourselves and Everton have really been dealt a poor hand in this last run of fixtures due to no allowance at all being made for the Europa league. This doesn't excuse the lack of rotation by any stretch, but it has certainly been a disadvantage for us.

 

[LexingtonSpurs]

And who's fault is that ? You can't have a big squad not use it and complain about fatuige

Hard to tell from here really. I think we should have played others against Chelsea - but a lot more goes into picking a squad than just who I think should play. Honestly, I don't know why Poch doesn't just ring me up for squad selections.

Who is fit? Who needs to be showcased so they can be sold? Who needs to get on board with the program? Who is training well? Poorly?

So many questions we really have no answers for - makes questioning the line-ups a bit dicey without that information.

 

[poc]

It's not three games in a week it's 4 games in 10 days and three games in 6 days. The only other teams to have played the same games in the same time frame, all struggled against inferior opposition aswell. Chelsea, Pool and the Scum all should have won on paper yesterday but were all run off the park(physically speaking) by lesser teams. It doesn't matter how fit you are or how much money you earn(which I think is a issue to a lot of fans when talking about fatigue), your muscles still need adequate time to recover. we have had 48 hours between the last four fixtures and is medically nowhere near enough. Ourselves and Everton have really been dealt a poor hand in this last run of fixtures due to no allowance at all being made for the Europa league. This doesn't excuse the lack of rotation by any stretch, but it has certainly been a disadvantage for us.

It's as much a mental thing tell yourself your tired it's more likely you are, Lloris apart our squad haven't played that many games since the season started. If we had of won it wouldn't be mentioned if we had a small squad where 90% had played all games and we were in fen maybe it would hd water for me. As it ISO think it is just an excuse but hey I'm not an elite athlete so maybe your right.

 

[panoma]

That excuse is such a joke from Poch.

He have a squad containing 25 players and can also freely pick any youth player he want to field.
He then pick more or less the same team for 3 games in 6 days and then complain?

Then just play other players for either the Chelsea or Palace game and you wouldnt have had that problem!

 

[Gaz_Gammon]

Only hindsight for the ones who wanted the same team for three games in six days.

We have played fifteen PL games this season, and after yesterdays fiasco (from what i read) Lennon's absence was the most concerning.

Lennon has played only 716 minutes this season, made sixteen appearances (in total) and eight of those as sub. Hardly an exhaustive campaign for him so far.

Soldado sixteen appearances with six of those as sub, i guess i don't need to go on and i am not singling out Soldado, but it irk's me when we have fans who blindly follow the coaches assessment that we had eleven tired players out on the pitch on Saturday when in fact we had the right players just a fucked up way of playing them. I mean who on here would have put Lamela ahead on the pitch instead of our leading PL goalscorer? I mean if you want to put forward an argument for fresh legs, shouldn't Chadli have started in front of Lamela?

 

[Gaz_Gammon]

I found it interesting that for for the Chelsea game we had three days to recover playing against a team that had four, and ditto for the Palace game. They were our second and third games in 6 (SIX) days. I don't know that they should be used as excuses, I think plenty of other things were done wrong. But I do think it is lousy scheduling and, given the importance put on recovery time after games, I can see scope for saying it disadvantaged us. But Mourinho complains about fixtures being unfavourable, Beetroot Head used to complain about fixtures being unfavourable...we at THFC, club, head coach/manager/players/fans do not for some reason it would break an unwritten rule.

I think that you will find that in the PL Chel$ea have one of the most unchanged lineups this season as the Special One is loathe to change unless a player gets injured or suspended. At the end of the day each team has a twenty five man first team squad. The fixture list is always hectic as the year ends and the new one begins so nothing has changed on that front really. It's not like those teams (aside from Palace) were not in Europe at some point. I mean hell, even LVG is trying to line up midweek friendlies for his side. If rest was key for these professional footballers then surely LVG wouldn't be doing that now would he?

 

[dondo]

That's my point, I was disappointed we didn't make more changes against Chelsea, particularly because Palace had an extra day's recovery.

I personally would have been very unhappy if we had of rested players vs Chelsea. For me 3/4 changes should have been made yesterday and earlier subs . Bringing chadli on instead of Lennon at HT now a very unusual decision the game was crying out for pace and width

 

[Gaz_Gammon]

It's not three games in a week it's 4 games in 10 days and three games in 6 days. The only other teams to have played the same games in the same time frame, all struggled against inferior opposition aswell. Chelsea, Pool and the Scum all should have won on paper yesterday but were all run off the park(physically speaking) by lesser teams. It doesn't matter how fit you are or how much money you earn(which I think is a issue to a lot of fans when talking about fatigue), your muscles still need adequate time to recover. we have had 48 hours between the last four fixtures and is medically nowhere near enough. Ourselves and Everton have really been dealt a poor hand in this last run of fixtures due to no allowance at all being made for the Europa league. This doesn't excuse the lack of rotation by any stretch, but it has certainly been a disadvantage for us.

Perm any eleven from this lot. There should be little excuse over tired legs, stiff backs or injured ego's. Honest.

 

[Metalhead]

I personally would have been very unhappy if we had of rested players vs Chelsea. For me 3/4 changes should have been made yesterday and earlier subs . Bringing chadli on instead of Lennon at HT now a very unusual decision the game was crying out for pace and width

I must admit I wouldn't be comfortable with the idea that we would rest players either as I don't want the Chelsea game as one that we should give up on even if our record there is absolute shite.

 

[Mr Pink]

We have played fifteen PL games this season, and after yesterdays fiasco (from what i read) Lennon's absence was the most concerning.

Lennon has played only 716 minutes this season, made sixteen appearances (in total) and eight of those as sub. Hardly an exhaustive campaign for him so far.

Soldado sixteen appearances with six of those as sub, i guess i don't need to go on and i am not singling out Soldado, but it irk's me when we have fans who blindly follow the coaches assessment that we had eleven tired players out on the pitch on Saturday when in fact we had the right players just a fucked up way of playing them. I mean who on here would have put Lamela ahead on the pitch instead of our leading PL goalscorer? I mean if you want to put forward an argument for fresh legs, shouldn't Chadli have started in front of Lamela?

Nope don't agree. Attempting to play that high intensity style, three times in six days with the same players, more or less, was asking for trouble.

You only had to look at the how fucking knackered kane looked to see its totally supporting my point.

 

[Gaz_Gammon]

We have played fifteen PL games this season, and after yesterdays fiasco (from what i read) Lennon's absence was the most concerning.

Lennon has played only 716 minutes this season, made sixteen appearances (in total) and eight of those as sub. Hardly an exhaustive campaign for him so far.

Soldado sixteen appearances with six of those as sub, i guess i don't need to go on and i am not singling out Soldado, but it irk's me when we have fans who blindly follow the coaches assessment that we had eleven tired players out on the pitch on Saturday when in fact we had the right players just a fucked up way of playing them. I mean who on here would have put Lamela ahead on the pitch instead of our leading PL goalscorer? I mean if you want to put forward an argument for fresh legs, shouldn't Chadli have started in front of Lamela?

Given the fact that you disagree with my post @Mr Pink you wanted Lamela selected for the game in front of Chadli or Lennon?

 

[Mr Pink]

It's not three games in a week it's 4 games in 10 days and three games in 6 days. The only other teams to have played the same games in the same time frame, all struggled against inferior opposition aswell. Chelsea, Pool and the Scum all should have won on paper yesterday but were all run off the park(physically speaking) by lesser teams. It doesn't matter how fit you are or how much money you earn(which I think is a issue to a lot of fans when talking about fatigue), your muscles still need adequate time to recover. we have had 48 hours between the last four fixtures and is medically nowhere near enough. Ourselves and Everton have really been dealt a poor hand in this last run of fixtures due to no allowance at all being made for the Europa league. This doesn't excuse the lack of rotation by any stretch, but it has certainly been a disadvantage for us.

Absolutely bang on Trix.

Why people don't get this is beyond me.

 

[Mr Pink]

Given the fact that you disagree with my post @Mr Pink you wanted Lamela selected for the game in front of Chadli or Lennon?

I'm disagreeing with you saying fatigue shouldn't be an issue, it was.

 

[Mr Pink]

I must admit I wouldn't be comfortable with the idea that we would rest players either as I don't want the Chelsea game as one that we should give up on even if our record there is absolute shite.

But given we had just played Everton, off the back of a Europa League game, and put in a big effort - you're strongest eleven isn't necessarily the one that played against Everton. A fresher side against Chelsea may have given us a better chance, whilst also being able to recharge other key players for Palace.

Its all about squad management in these busy periods IMO.

 

[Gaz_Gammon]

Nope don't agree. Attempting to play that high intensity style, three times in six days with the same players, more or less, was asking for trouble.

You only had to look at the how fucking knackered kane looked to see its totally supporting my point.

How many PL games has Kane started this season? From what a can see on SO it's twenty in TOTAL (all comps) and eight as sub. I mean should we rotate him every ten games or so?

You don't want Ade, but you also don't want Kane playing?

Fuck me next your'l want Poch taking every second weekend off....................



















Fucks sake..........................

 

[Mr Pink]

How many PL games has Kane started this season? From what a can see on SO it's twenty in TOTAL (all comps) and eight as sub. I mean should we rotate him every ten games or so?

You don't want Ade, but you also don't want Kane playing?

Fuck me next your'l want Poch taking every second weekend off....................



















Fucks sake.

Fuck are you talking about...we don't have three league games in a week all season long do we. This busy period should be handled differently, what's so hard to understand about that.

You make fuck all sense to be honest.

 

[Metalhead]

But given we had just played Everton, off the back of a Europa League game, and put in a big effort - you're strongest eleven isn't necessarily the one that played against Everton. A fresher side against Chelsea may have given us a better chance, whilst also being able to recharge other key players for Palace.

Its all about squad management in these busy periods IMO.

On the assumption that we have a quality squad, any of which can slot in as need be then I have no issue with that. I find the whole situation so mind boggling because it feels like more than ever before, opinion seems so divided on the qualities of almost all of our players.