Fatigue

[StartingPrice]

I wasn't having a go at you mate, I was actually backing up what you are saying, essentially agreeing that fatigue was an issue and it wouldn't have been if the scheduling had given us an extra day rest for each game but also that Poch knew that, so should have rotated.

I didn't say you were having a go at me...and I didn't say you weren't having a go at me In fact, I didn't know whether you were having a go at me or not

Great as t'Internet may be...it does lead to ambiguities on occasion. Because you quoted my first post, which I could understand if anyone misinterpreted as an attempt to exonerate Poch totally, I just wanted to clarify.

In any case, as said, Lennon being injured explains why he didn't start yesterday and why Poch didn't bring him on earlier. Poch is a new head coach who may feel like he can only rely on a core of players, and we do have other injury concerns. And it was poor from the fixture schedulers. So, maybe, folk should ease up on him a little. But...I think he should have started Kane and Soldado against Chelsea, and yesterday maybe replaced one of Mason/Bentaleb in midfield, at the very least.

 

[Blackcanary]

No hindsight required for Poch either. He knows his system is hard on the players, he knows how much a game of football takes it's toll and players, he knows how long it takes to recover and he knew whan the next game would be played.

This is the crux of the issue for me. We've had people saying "well, maybe he only trusts the players who buy into his philosophy" but that same philosophy relies on players being fresh and energetic to press. It's entirely pointless to play people who are too tired to perform even the most basic elements of his game plan when you have adequate fresh legs sat on the bench - it completely negates any 'buy-in' they may have.

 

[Mustard]

Talking of fatigue anyone know what dear Ade is up to?

 

[yido_number1]

Non league teams play 3 times per week and many of those guys work as well and they travel long distances in cars and buses.

They also play at 1 5th the intensity...

 

[yido_number1]

Yeah this is bizarre, why bring him in if we are simply not going to use him. From what I have seen and heard from Stambouli is that they guy has the right attitude, surely swapping him for mason midweek would have been ideal right?

Poch is making some decisions that are concerning me a little to be honest. Maybe we wil see towards the end of the seassn why he has done these things, but certainly isn't making it easy right now.

In all the games Stambouli has played he has looked absolutely knackered at half time. I would say for what ever reason he isn't fit enough to play in the premier league yet. That is the only reason I can think of as he has looked pretty decent.

 

[Maxtremist]

I think the whole fatigue thing and this palace game highlights how many players Poch can trust at the moment. Whilst I agree that we need to do more rotation and were crying out for that, the question then becomes who do we bring in? Kane was knackered as hell on Saturday but who do we start instead of him? Was this a game Chadli should of started? Cause I don't see Ade playing much for us again.

Then when it comes to the midfield we've got players like Capoue, Dembele and Paulinho who have done fuck all this season. So we start with Mason and Bentaleb instead again. Stambouli would have been nice to see play but as mentioned a few times by people he often looks knackered fairly early on in games so maybe he just isn't 100% ready for the premiere league.

So yes, it would be nice to have some more rotation in our team but when you look at who we have to pick from, I don't see who we'd be playing? I see a lot of people saying we should rotate but other than Lennon no-one is suggesting who should play instead.

If the info is correct then Lennon was going to play but was a little injured so that explains that. As for the others, are you telling me that if we'd have selected any of Capoue, Dembele or Paulinho to start in midfield VS either Chelsea or Palace you wouldn't have been moaning?

We're currently short on players that Poch can trust and will do what he says. It sounds stupid but that is the sad reality with our squad at the moment. Thank god our defence actually isn't a major concern for once.

 

[Bobbins]

I once played 4 2-hour games of 5-a-side (no rest breaks or half times!) in 6 days when they opened a new Goals near me and had a special offer on - it was the best week ever.

 

[guy]

I think the whole fatigue thing and this palace game highlights how many players Poch can trust at the moment. Whilst I agree that we need to do more rotation and were crying out for that, the question then becomes who do we bring in? Kane was knackered as hell on Saturday but who do we start instead of him? Was this a game Chadli should of started? Cause I don't see Ade playing much for us again.

Then when it comes to the midfield we've got players like Capoue, Dembele and Paulinho who have done fuck all this season. So we start with Mason and Bentaleb instead again. Stambouli would have been nice to see play but as mentioned a few times by people he often looks knackered fairly early on in games so maybe he just isn't 100% ready for the premiere league.

So yes, it would be nice to have some more rotation in our team but when you look at who we have to pick from, I don't see who we'd be playing? I see a lot of people saying we should rotate but other than Lennon no-one is suggesting who should play instead.

If the info is correct then Lennon was going to play but was a little injured so that explains that. As for the others, are you telling me that if we'd have selected any of Capoue, Dembele or Paulinho to start in midfield VS either Chelsea or Palace you wouldn't have been moaning?

We're currently short on players that Poch can trust and will do what he says. It sounds stupid but that is the sad reality with our squad at the moment. Thank god our defence actually isn't a major concern for once.

I thought it was obvious to swap out one of the CMs for stambouli, even if he lasts 55-60mins at least we start the game fit and fast and raring to go. If we get an early goal we are in the box seat and the game is different.

And yes obviously Chadli in for Kane. Chadli hadnt played for a cpl of weeks, kane was blatantly obviously knackered.

And no this is not in hindsight, I said the exact thing before the game!

 

[Mustard]

I once played 4 2-hour games of 5-a-side (no rest breaks or half times!) in 6 days when they opened a new Goals near me and had a special offer on - it was the best week ever.

I used to play 3 sometimes 4 games a weekend regularly in my youth.

School, Scouts, Club.

Pro tennis players often have to play consecutive 3 hour games each day. I think a lot of this is in the players minds. They are told they are tired so they are tired.

 

[Bobbins]

People are talking like Spurs have a divine right to beat teams like Crystal Palace .

A 0-0 draw , even at home against a Palace side who are no mans fools was a decent result for Spurs .

We aren't a top 8 club anymore . People need to accept that .

 

[theShiznit]

I once played 4 2-hour games of 5-a-side (no rest breaks or half times!) in 6 days when they opened a new Goals near me and had a special offer on - it was the best week ever.

I used to play 3 sometimes 4 games a weekend regularly in my youth.

School, Scouts, Club.

Pro tennis players often have to play consecutive 3 hour games each day. I think a lot of this is in the players minds. They are told they are tired so they are tired.

I take it you both used to train 2+ hours every day as well?

Also I imagine Tennis players would run a fraction of what outfield players do in a match. John Isner and Nicholas Mahut each ran about 6 miles during 11 hours and five minutes of play during the world record game. where as a player in a 90 minute game of football can run 9+ miles.
And all the players play on the same days for the most part so all are in the same boat. Where as in just our last two games Palace had a day extra and in the game before Chelsea had a day extra preparation/recuperation.

 

[Mustard]

I take it you both used to train 2+ hours every day as well?

Also I imagine Tennis players would run a fraction of what outfield players do in a match. John Isner and Nicholas Mahut each ran about 6 miles during 11 hours and five minutes of play during the world record game. And all the players play on the same days for the most part so all are in the same boat. where as a player in a 90 minute game of football can run 9+ miles.

Mo Farah can run up to 200 miles a week.

Also the tennis players play the. Next day often. As I say. I personally tire of the fatigue excuse. Its a new thing and thicky footballers are lazy and will take any excuse for an excuse.

 

[Bobbins]

I take it you both used to train 2+ hours every day as well?

Also I imagine Tennis players would run a fraction of what outfield players do in a match. John Isner and Nicholas Mahut each ran about 6 miles during 11 hours and five minutes of play during the world record game. where as a player in a 90 minute game of football can run 9+ miles.
And all the players play on the same days for the most part so all are in the same boat. Where as in just our last two games Palace had a day extra and in the game before Chelsea had a day extra preparation/recuperation.

My post was clearly a bit of a joke, I was just saying that it was bloody brilliant playing so much football over such a short period of time. My legs hurt like fuckery after the last game, but I loved it. It was in the depths of winter as well, proper joint-creakingly cold nights.

Footballers don't train on matchdays, btw, but I did used to play squash every lunchtime for an hour if that counts...

 

[theShiznit]

Mo Farah can run up to 200 miles a week.

Also the tennis players play the. Next day often. As I say. I personally tire of the fatigue excuse. Its a new thing and thicky footballers are lazy and will take any excuse for an excuse.

And did you see Mo Farah do that Multi sport challenge (Superstars?) where in the quicker races he was pretty much beaten by everyone, and looked like he was running backwards at the finish line...

 

[theShiznit]

Footballers don't train on matchdays, btw.

I know.

They play on those days

 

[BuryMeInEngland]

I hate to sound like an old fart (I will anyway), but here is how I feel. Today's players are supposed to be at higher level of overall fitness than at any time in the history of the game, yet sides in the 60's and 70's used to play league games, in two competitive cup competitions and (if lucky) European games with no fancy coaches to travel in or plush chartered jets with their every need taken care of. And no international breaks every few weeks.

They played on pitches that at times resembled a well trodden cow pasture while wearing big clodhopper boots and kicking a leather ball that when wet weighed twice as much as when they started. There were two substitutes on the bench and they only came on if someone got injured, not as a tactical decision. They trained as much as players do now but under much shittier conditions and then they went home and were like any other working man. They were paid a pittance and some even took summer jobs during the off-season to help pay the bills (Cyril Knowles famously worked in a fish and chip shop in his summers).

I know the modern game is faster paced and there is tons more pressure than there used to be, but this talk of fatigue and fatigued players really just fucking annoys me. Just man up and do the job you are paid a lot of money for.

 

[theShiznit]

In Spain all the teams in Europe are afforded the option of moving league games forwards or backwards either preceding a European game or coming after a European game. Until we can do something similar I think all teams in the Europa league (and less so the Champions' League) will be hampered, in European weeks.

 

[theShiznit]

I hate to sound like an old fart (I will anyway), but here is how I feel. Today's players are supposed to be at higher level of overall fitness than at any time in the history of the game, yet sides in the 60's and 70's used to play league games, in two competitive cup competitions and (if lucky) European games with no fancy coaches to travel in or plush chartered jets with their every need taken care of. And no international breaks every few weeks.

They played on pitches that at times resembled a well trodden cow pasture while wearing big clodhopper boots and kicking a leather ball that when wet weighed twice as much as when they started. There were two substitutes on the bench and they only came on if someone got injured, not as a tactical decision. They trained as much as players do now but under much shittier conditions and then they went home and were like any other working man. They were paid a pittance and some even took summer jobs during the off-season to help pay the bills (Cyril Knowles famously worked in a fish and chip shop in his summers).

I know the modern game is faster paced and there is tons more pressure than there used to be, but this talk of fatigue and fatigued players really just fucking annoys me. Just man up and do the job you are paid a lot of money for.

Yeah but even a 90's Liverpool could smash them

 

[BuryMeInEngland]

Yeah but even a 90's Liverpool could smash them

Brilliant!

 

[KILLA_SIN]

People are talking like Spurs have a divine right to beat teams like Crystal Palace .

A 0-0 draw , even at home against a Palace side who are no mans fools was a decent result for Spurs .

We aren't a top 8 club anymore . People need to accept that .

Did we finish outside of the top 6 in the last five seasons?