Massimo Luongo

[Bus-Conductor]

No if actually read back I said Windy said it as well, I'm not going in to why I know its true

Oh go on...

 

[Main Man]

Got to hang onto some of them or what's the point? What grinds my gears is when promising youngsters are let go without being given a chance. Some will go onto be stars (Kane, Bentaleb) others useful squad players on whom we will turn a profit (Livemore, Caulker); but either way I would sooner have them providing back up to the first XI than disgruntled internationals on £50K a week who think they are doing us a favour by bothering to slouch out onto the pitch. I would certianly much sooner have had, for instance, Veljkovic, Carroll and Pritchard in our squad this season than Kaboul, Capoue and Paulinho. Luongo is a good example of a player who could, at the least, have given us a couple of seasons decent service as back-up before being sold on for a decent price.

I understand your sentiment but I think your view is rather linear. You seem to be suggesting the player will develop at the same rate whether they are playing regularly out on loan or training with our first team but very rarely playing.

In my opinion, if Massimo had been a back up player then chances are he wouldn't have been the player he is today (which we are all blowing way out of proportion btw).

The exposure to first team football is what led to him having a successful international tournament - if he had remained with us I can't imagine he would have even made their squad.

 

[eddiebailey]

I understand your sentiment but I think your view is rather linear. You seem to be suggesting the player will develop at the same rate whether they are playing regularly out on loan or training with our first team but very rarely playing.

In my opinion, if Massimo had been a back up player then chances are he wouldn't have been the player he is today (which we are all blowing way out of proportion btw).

The exposure to first team football is what led to him having a successful international tournament - if he had remained with us I can't imagine he would have even made their squad.

I was suggesting that he should have been kept with the purpose of being used as a squad back up getting regular playing time in the early stages of the Europa and the Cups , and given the chance of progressing at Spurs and earning further opportunities.

You do not necessarily need a lot of experience outside the Premiership to cut it in the Premeirship: look at Bentaleb. In fact Luongo has been incredibly lucky to land a move to Swindon, one of the few teams in the football league who play a brand of football conducive to preparing players for the Premiership. At most league one teams as a midfielder all he would have developed is a crick in the neck. (That is why we cultivated Swindon, and why Southampton and Chelsea are now doing so.)

But this thread is not really about Luongo and whether he is a player Spurs should be looking at now; we have moved on and so as he. It is more about how in the past loading the squad with unengaged, mediocre moneyball signing has stifled our youth programme. Luongo is probably not going to be a worldbeater, but he is the sort of lad who could have been technically competent and whole-hearted back-up for fifty games before being sold on for 5 or 6 million. It is what Manchester United do all the time, and it is a sound business and footballing model.

 

[Ionman34]

I was suggesting that he should have been kept with the purpose of being used as a squad back up getting regular playing time in the early stages of the Europa and the Cups , and given the chance of progressing at Spurs and earning further opportunities.

You do not necessarily need a lot of experience outside the Premiership to cut it in the Premeirship: look at Bentaleb. In fact Luongo has been incredibly lucky to land a move to Swindon, one of the few teams in the football league who play a brand of football conducive to preparing players for the Premiership. At most league one teams as a midfielder all he would have developed is a crick in the neck. (That is why we cultivated Swindon, and why Southampton and Chelsea are now doing so.)

But this thread is not really about Luongo and whether he is a player Spurs should be looking at now; we have moved on and so as he. It is more about how in the past loading the squad with unengaged, mediocre moneyball signing has stifled our youth programme. Luongo is probably not going to be a worldbeater, but he is the sort of lad who could have been technically competent and whole-hearted back-up for fifty games before being sold on for 5 or 6 million. It is what Manchester United do all the time, and it is a sound business and footballing model.

Good post Eddie, though you appear to have disregarded the possibility that ML may well have wanted the move himself. From what I've read on here, it appears that Spurs do rate him somewhat, hence the buy back clause and the 40% sell on return. It may well have been that they felt it would be better for his growth.

It may also be that Spurs made a mistake.

I guess we'll never truly know but, considering the relative success stories in Kane, Mason, Bentaleb and Rose, I'd say that the club really should be given the benefit of the doubt regarding the reasons for selling Luongo.

 

[eddiebailey]

Good post Eddie, though you appear to have disregarded the possibility that ML may well have wanted the move himself. From what I've read on here, it appears that Spurs do rate him somewhat, hence the buy back clause and the 40% sell on return. It may well have been that they felt it would be better for his growth.

It may also be that Spurs made a mistake.

I guess we'll never truly know but, considering the relative success stories in Kane, Mason, Bentaleb and Rose, I'd say that the club really should be given the benefit of the doubt regarding the reasons for selling Luongo.

I think what it came down to is that faced with the same lack of opportunities Luongo decided to move on and Mason decided to stay on and fight. But then Luongo joined us at 18, while Mason has been with us since he was 11; that I guess is what made the difference.

 

[Spurslove]

Another great decision from the manager/clown who was in charge at the time.

Absolutely and when I think of how much Poch would have loved to have a young player of that quality, I could scream.

 

[Kendall]

Absolutely and when I think of how much Poch would have loved to have a young player of that quality, I could scream.

Then you'd just be hoarding a player that might view his chances of breaking through as minimal, considering the stature of players in front of him.

Plus, until now, I don't remember too many people creaming over his performances. Playing well in some second rate Asia cup won't make me cry too much about what we may or may not be missing. I'd sooner enjoy what the younger, more talented Bentaleb brings to our side and be excited over what Pritchard could bring back with him.

 

[Spurslove]

Then you'd just be hoarding a player that might view his chances of breaking through as minimal, considering the stature of players in front of him.

Plus, until now, I don't remember too many people creaming over his performances. Playing well in some second rate Asia cup won't make me cry too much about what we may or may not be missing. I'd sooner enjoy what the younger, more talented Bentaleb brings to our side.

Under previous management, young and talented players such as Bentaleb and Mason might have viewed their chances of making the big breakthrough equally unlikely. Having watched Luongo play on a umber of occasions, I can vouch for the fact that he was certainly no worse a player than either Kane, Bentaleb or Mason, and would (probably) have taken to the Premiership like a duck to water. Still no point crying over something which never happened I s'pose.

 

[guy]

The best move for all would have been a nominal fee transfer to Swindon, with first refusal for us to sign him back for 5mill or so

Really hope we did do that, but doubt it happened

 

[Amo]

Has this been posted?

http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/arti...-luongo-snubs-7-million-qatar-offer-needs-pic

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Has this been posted?

http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/arti...-luongo-snubs-7-million-qatar-offer-needs-pic

Interesting (@eddiebailey ):

David Magrone (Luongo's "advisor") was brought in to Spurs by Tim Sherwood I believe. Now head of recruitment at QPR.


"He’s done a lot to help Swindon in their promotion push and going there was the pathway he decided to take, rather than simply sitting around at Tottenham waiting for his chance to come," Magrone said.

"He was prepared to drop down and prove himself at the lower levels. Nobody was forcing him to leave.

"He just needed to play regularly and because Mass is so humble, money has never been an issue.

 

[ButchCassidy]

With a 50% sell-on clause we've more or less hedged our bets here. If he never develops to a top-6 PL standard, which is probably the most likely option, we got a bit for his transfer and will get a bit more when he moves on from Swindon, and we haven't had to worry about paying his wages and finding him loans and playing time etc. If he gets them promoted, goes on to smash up the Championship, and suddenly looks like a 20m player, then we can buy him back for half of what he's worth to anyone else. In that scenario we've basically spent 10m to have one of our youth turned into a top player with zero effort on our part, which tbh is a pretty decent deal.

 

[Mouse!]

I think and hope we'll go back for him in the summer.

 

[225]

Are people really going ape over a guy who has had a reasonably decent season in League One and impressed in the Asian Cup.


It's League One. And the Asian Cup.....


Calm down.

 

[Basil Brush]

I am an Aussie who watched every game and have no idea how he got player of the tournament at asian cup.

He is a good average player at best.

Believe me, we have far better players in Mason and Bentalab.

If we are looking at young aussie players, it should be trent sainsbury (a central defender) or matt ryan (a keeper with amazing disposal skills)

 

[225]

I am an Aussie who watched every game and have no idea how he got player of the tournament at asian cup.

He is a good average player at best.

Believe me, we have far better players in Mason and Bentalab.

If we are looking at young aussie players, it should be trent sainsbury (a central defender) or matt ryan (a keeper with amazing disposal skills)

Thomas Glover is ours and an aussie too - quite good on football manager

 

[Basil Brush]

Thomas Glover is ours and an aussie too - quite good on football manager

Unfortunately I have no idea who Glover is but I stand by my point Luongo is not that good.

 

[225]

Unfortunately I have no idea who Glover is but I stand by my point Luongo is not that good.

http://www.tottenhamhotspur.com/first-year-academy/thomas-glover/

 

[mpickard2087]

I am an Aussie who watched every game and have no idea how he got player of the tournament at asian cup.

He is a good average player at best.

Believe me, we have far better players in Mason and Bentalab.

If we are looking at young aussie players, it should be trent sainsbury (a central defender) or matt ryan (a keeper with amazing disposal skills)

We had Ryan on trial a couple of seasons ago before he moved to Belgium (I think?). I don't think he impressed Tony Parks enough.

 

[Basil Brush]

We had Ryan on trial a couple of seasons ago before he moved to Belgium (I think?). I don't think he impressed Tony Parks enough.

If that is true, and I don't doubt you, we made a massive mistake. He plays like a sweeper.

He recently won best keeper in Belgium.

However, you can never predict how players will develop so no big deal.