Massimo Luongo

[beats1]

I just don't think this is how the structure works any more Mullers.

AVB was head coach, primarily responsible for coaching/managing the first team group.

I would imagine the head coach would only be consulted if he had good knowledge of the player - i.e. he had been playing or on the fringes of the first team squad.

AVB came in the summer 2012. Luongo was sent on a season long loan to Ipswich in July that year. McCarthy (Ipswich manager) sent him back as not "right" for his team.He was then sent on loan in March 13 to Swindon, and effectively never returned during AVB's tenure.

The decision to loan or sell him would almost certainly have been made with much greater input form Sherwood (as technical coordinator/director of the academy), and I would hope other academy staff were maybe consulted too and the deal evaluated and finalised by Levy.

This was a very odd deal as a season loan was agreed in July 2013 then a sale of 400K in August ??

I don't have a problem, even if it was Sherwood, as just look at the list of midfielders we had around the club at the time, chances of Luongo getting a game were minuscule and the kid just wanted to play some first team football I guess.

If you want to blame AVB for letting Luongo go then we have to give him massive credit for not letting Kane, Bentaleb, Mason, Rose, Townsend, Carroll, Pricthard get sold. Which is bollocks, just as it is to blame him for Luongo being sold.

There is alot of stuff that is plainly wrong in this post

We have tried to sell pritchard more than a couple of times.

It may have something to do with Sherwood but its more to do with the fact there is a price on every academy players head and if that is reached then we let them go. Mason and Pritchard both been close to leaving for tiny sums.

Also McCarthy never sent him back because he wasn't his type of player, he said himself that with a relegation battle he wanted experience so he sent back the youth loans.

 

[Rout-Ledge]

I didn't rate him but I didn't call him a TS love child either. I rated Capoue above Bentaleb, the thing that pissed me off about TS was that he said he doesn't know Capoue but he's getting to know him as explanation as to why Capoue wasn't in the team and Bentaleb was.

Yeah, that was a dumb remark.

He should've just said he thought Bentaleb was good enough to be in the first team and left it at that.

 

[eddiebailey]

The McCarthy quote I read was "not the type of player we need"

Which is not at all the same as 'not good enough'.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

There is alot of stuff that is plainly wrong in this post

We have tried to sell pritchard more than a couple of times.

It may have something to do with Sherwood but its more to do with the fact there is a price on every academy players head and if that is reached then we let them go. Mason and Pritchard both been close to leaving for tiny sums.

Also McCarthy never sent him back because he wasn't his type of player, he said himself that with a relegation battle he wanted experience so he sent back the youth loans.

Wiki:

On 23 July 2012, Luongo joined Championship side Ipswich Town on a season long loan for the 2012–13 season.[5] The loan was terminated on 9 November after new Ipswich manager Mick McCarthy said that he wanted a 'different type of player'

 

[Bus-Conductor]

There is alot of stuff that is plainly wrong in this post

We have tried to sell pritchard more than a couple of times.

It may have something to do with Sherwood but its more to do with the fact there is a price on every academy players head and if that is reached then we let them go. Mason and Pritchard both been close to leaving for tiny sums.

Also McCarthy never sent him back because he wasn't his type of player, he said himself that with a relegation battle he wanted experience so he sent back the youth loans.

I don't think that's true. Or certainly not entirely. It doesn't make commercial sense to sell a player we think might be very good whilst still at the fledgeling stage.

There has been an enormous amount mode of the fact the AVB didn't integrate well enough, surely we wouldn't care if all we were interested in was realising a small fee in development stage. Surely the idea is we discard the players that are deemed not good enough and keep, integrate and realise the full potential (footballing/financial) of as many as possible.

 

[beats1]

Wiki:

On 23 July 2012, Luongo joined Championship side Ipswich Town on a season long loan for the 2012–13 season.[5] The loan was terminated on 9 November after new Ipswich manager Mick McCarthy said that he wanted a 'different type of player'

I know what he said at the time and cant be asked to find it but he said he terminated the LOANS because the squad had a lack of experience

 

[Bus-Conductor]

I know what he said at the time and cant be asked to find it but he said he terminated the LOANS because the squad had a lack of experience

OK, really not a major issue in terms of the discussion.

 

[beats1]

I don't think that's true. Or certainly not entirely. It doesn't make commercial sense to sell a player we think might be very good whilst still at the fledgeling stage.

There has been an enormous amount mode of the fact the AVB didn't integrate well enough, surely we wouldn't care if all we were interested in was realising a small fee in development stage. Surely the idea is we discard the players that are deemed not good enough and keep, integrate and realise the full potential (footballing/financial) of as many as possible.

I know its true

Im not the only one who said its true, listen to some of the other youth watchers and they have been told that should that number be hit they will be sold.

Don't try and twist it to make excuses for AVB, I didn't do for Sherwood. Whom is a bit of a knob anyway. However every player at the club has a price

 

[danielneeds]

Wiki:

On 23 July 2012, Luongo joined Championship side Ipswich Town on a season long loan for the 2012–13 season.[5] The loan was terminated on 9 November after new Ipswich manager Mick McCarthy said that he wanted a 'different type of player'

ie One with extremely strong neck muscles who could watch the ball as the defenders launched to the big lad up top and then watch it launched back, Mick's 70s version of the game in his head.

 

[Lilbaz]

Why the hell is this thread still going? Out of all the players that we might buy to fill a midfield slot, is Luongo the number 1 target?

 

[Bus-Conductor]

I know its true

Im not the only one who said its true, listen to some of the other youth watchers and they have been told that should that number be hit they will be sold.

Don't try and twist it to make excuses for AVB, I didn't do for Sherwood. Whom is a bit of a knob anyway. However every player at the club has a price

Which other "youth watchers" ?

 

[beats1]

Which other "youth watchers" ?

A couple of guys from the fighting cock

 

[gilzeantheking]

Chris Miller ‏@WindyCOYS 22s22 seconds ago
Swindon reporter @SamMorshead_ has discovered that it's a 50% Luongo sell-on fee cut & not 40% as previously thought: http://www.swindonlinksport.com/2015/02/02/deadline-day-live/

 

[Rout-Ledge]

Chris Miller ‏@WindyCOYS 22s22 seconds ago
Swindon reporter @SamMorshead_ has discovered that it's a 50% Luongo sell-on fee cut & not 40% as previously thought: http://www.swindonlinksport.com/2015/02/02/deadline-day-live/

If we do want to buy him back then we have a massive advantage over any other side then.

We can offer the same amount and it will be 50% more value to Swindon.

 

[beats1]

If we do want to buy him back then we have a massive advantage over any other side then.

We can offer the same amount and it will be 50% more value to Swindon.

Or we can just match it and save 50%

 

[Rout-Ledge]

Or we can just match it and save 50%

Same principle. I was just illustrating the advantage we have in negotiations.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

A couple of guys from the fighting cock

pffftt….

 

[beats1]

pffftt….

well considering windy is probably one of biggest sources of information, its much credible than anyone else and I don't care if anyone believes me, I know its true.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

well considering windy is probably one of biggest sources of information, its much credible than anyone else and I don't care if anyone believes me, I know its true.

You know it's true because Windy says it's true ?

 

[beats1]

You know it's true because Windy says it's true ?

No if actually read back I said Windy said it as well, I'm not going in to why I know its true