Next Manager Watch

[piedpiper]

I think the root cause of the shit show was not allowing Poch to do the rebuild... he had credit in the bank and had proven he could do it. We would in theory have been three years now into the project. The 'elite' managers were never the right fit for us.

For me the root cause was allowing that team to go stale and the bargain buys we did in that time. Poch wouldn't have had the energy to complete the rebuild.

 

[southlondonyiddo]

Hiring either of these would be like hiring Gerrard before he went to Villa. Or Lampard before Chelsea/Everton. Get a grip. Not having a decent record in management is not an asset for a potential manager of a club of our scale. As bad as things are now, they can certainly get plenty worse. This kind of appointment could lead to Everton levels of decline. There a space between novice coaches you suggest and the 'proven winner' dinosaurs we've been hiring lately and we should be looking in that fairly extensive area.

Quite clearly Carrick & Kompany have done exceptional jobs in a short space of time

Lampard most definitely didn’t and Gerrard was clearly only successful early in his managerial career because he managed the only decent team in his league!

 

[rossdapep]

Other upsides to Amorim.

+ Walked into an absolute mess of a bloated squad with a mix average players and old players like Wendel, Vietto, Battaglia and Acuna. They had just lost Bruno Fernandes too who was basically Sporting's only reliable player. He sold all of these and wiped the slate clean.

+ Fully trusts youth players, he does not hesitate in putting them in as soon as he walks in the door.

+ Replacing from within. If Spurs were to lose Kane, Im certain he'd give Scarlett and Lankshear as much chances as possible.

+ Uses a fluid front three, so again, if we lost Kane he'd work around it quite well.

+ Has a fantastic relationship with his players and his younger players love him for giving them chances.

+ He always takes blame for defeats and takes any pressure from young players.

+ He is adaptable and resourceful so will always look for solutions in the squad without shoehorning players in.

+ His assistant coach - Carlos Fernandes - is superb on the training ground and is very refreshing in this respect. He's only 28 but has 10 years of coaching behind him.

+ He spent his first summer recalling players who had been loaned out like Palhinha and Reis.
Then raiding talents from smaller Portuguese clubs like Paulinho, Nuno Santos, Pedro Goncalves whilst promoting players like Inacio and Tiago Tomas.

All of these players became major players for them.


He fits what we are looking for by a lot of metrics and I can certainly see him fitting at the club.

He won't kick off if players are sold and if the club decide to buy a bunch of young talents that he didn't ask for, he would still use them and find use for them.

 

[muel]

Other upsides to Amorim.

+ Walked into an absolute mess of a bloated squad with a mix average players and old players like Wendel, Vietto, Battaglia and Acuna. They had just lost Bruno Fernandes too who was basically Sporting's only reliable player. He sold all of these and wiped the slate clean.

+ Fully trusts youth players, he does not hesitate in putting them in as soon as he walks in the door.

+ Replacing from within. If Spurs were to lose Kane, Im certain he'd give Scarlett and Lankshear as much chances as possible.

+ Uses a fluid front three, so again, if we lost Kane he'd work around it quite well.

+ Has a fantastic relationship with his players and his younger players love him for giving them chances.

+ He always takes blame for defeats and takes any pressure from young players.

+ He is adaptable and resourceful so will always look for solutions in the squad without shoehorning players in.

+ His assistant coach - Carlos Fernandes - is superb on the training ground and is very refreshing in this respect. He's only 28 but has 10 years of coaching behind him.

+ He spent his first summer recalling players who had been loaned out like Palhinha and Reis.
Then raiding talents from smaller Portuguese clubs like Paulinho, Nuno Santos, Pedro Goncalves whilst promoting players like Inacio and Tiago Tomas.

All of these players became major players for them.


He fits what we are looking for by a lot of metrics and I can certainly see him fitting at the club.

He won't kick off if players are sold and if the club decide to buy a bunch of young talents that he didn't ask for, he would still use them and find use for them.

Really insightful thank you for this!

It would track that we would look for Conte to see out the season with Amorim to join in the summer. While Sporting still have things to play for Id imagine and understand that he’d want to see that through. Most of the other names are not in work currently so you’d have thought that if it was one of them they’d already be in place.

 

[mdharris]

Other upsides to Amorim.

+ Walked into an absolute mess of a bloated squad with a mix average players and old players like Wendel, Vietto, Battaglia and Acuna. They had just lost Bruno Fernandes too who was basically Sporting's only reliable player. He sold all of these and wiped the slate clean.

+ Fully trusts youth players, he does not hesitate in putting them in as soon as he walks in the door.

+ Replacing from within. If Spurs were to lose Kane, Im certain he'd give Scarlett and Lankshear as much chances as possible.

+ Uses a fluid front three, so again, if we lost Kane he'd work around it quite well.

+ Has a fantastic relationship with his players and his younger players love him for giving them chances.

+ He always takes blame for defeats and takes any pressure from young players.

+ He is adaptable and resourceful so will always look for solutions in the squad without shoehorning players in.

+ His assistant coach - Carlos Fernandes - is superb on the training ground and is very refreshing in this respect. He's only 28 but has 10 years of coaching behind him.

+ He spent his first summer recalling players who had been loaned out like Palhinha and Reis.
Then raiding talents from smaller Portuguese clubs like Paulinho, Nuno Santos, Pedro Goncalves whilst promoting players like Inacio and Tiago Tomas.

All of these players became major players for them.


He fits what we are looking for by a lot of metrics and I can certainly see him fitting at the club.

He won't kick off if players are sold and if the club decide to buy a bunch of young talents that he didn't ask for, he would still use them and find use for them.

Im sold. I’m all aboard the Amorim train.

 

[rossdapep]

Really insightful thank you for this!

It would track that we would look for Conte to see out the season with Amorim to join in the summer. While Sporting still have things to play for Id imagine and understand that he’d want to see that through. Most of the other names are not in work currently so you’d have thought that if it was one of them they’d already be in place.

I think there would be similarities to when Poch came. If the club allowed him of course.

Not in terms of style but more approach

 

[journeyman]

Amorim is clearly impressive but will he play front-foot possession-based football? What are Sporting’s possession %’s like? I won’t be able to cope with another counter-attacking manager.

 

[ajspurs]

I'll be honest in that the main thing that puts me off Amorim is his 5-2-3/3-4-3. I wouldn't have a problem with this prior to Conte and of course not every approach is identical in that same formation but it just prevents me from being overly excited about the prospect. I admit that I also don't know enough about him and the way he likes to play to outright dismiss him though.

 

[soflapaul]

Regarding Amorim.

While i try not to get worked up either way about the incoming coach (it rarely turns out as you expect, you are one of the more persuasive individuals on here. Thanks and he's now on my short list.

 

[WannaDanceWithUdogie]

Just wondering why those who would be happy with; Alonso, Kompany or Carrick wouldn’t have Mason?

he’s one of our own. Knows the club. Loves the club. Is a very talented coach. Respected by the squad, Is motivated and passionate. He’s also managed more Prem games and cup finals than any of them! With the right coaching team and infrastructure why couldn’t he succeed?

I remember it was him and Kane who stood up to the mercenaries in the squad when Poch arrived. Barely in their 20’s. That shows balls, passion and confidence. Alongside a deep respect for the club that he and they represented.

Ive recruited for many years. Granted not in football but I don’t see how it should be any different. What constitutes appropriate ‘Experience’ is subjective and so often thought about 1 dimensionally and an often misleading metric from which to draw from. Studies show it has little to no correlation to success.

Sometimes you just get a gut feeling about people and I genuinely think he could be the solution we need albeit not the one we think we want.

I’ve said similar a few times and had very few people agree. I’m willing to die on this hill! I’m a romantic at heart. To Dare Is To Do! Has to mean something.

I don’t agree with giving him the job right now, but this is a lovely post. Have a lot of respect for Mason

 

[Darth Vega]

I'll be honest in that the main thing that puts me off Amorim is his 5-2-3/3-4-3. I wouldn't have a problem with this prior to Conte and of course not every approach is identical in that same formation but it just prevents me from being overly excited about the prospect. I admit that I also don't know enough about him and the way he likes to play to outright dismiss him though.

Some of the best football we ever played under Poch was with a back 3/5. Equally, we've looked totally shit in a 4231/433 under Jose and Nuno.

Formations in isolation mean very little nowadays, execution is everything.

 

[Ginola+Tonic]

After researching myself and reading who the supposed targets are it’s either Amorim or Gallardo for me.
I’d be happy with either and they’re perfect for what we need now.

 

[ajspurs]

Some of the best football we ever played under Poch was with a back 3/5. Equally, we've looked totally shit in a 4231/433 under Jose and Nuno.

Formations in isolation mean very little nowadays, execution is everything.

That's true. I guess just what we've been serving up under Conte makes me yearn for something that's quite visibly different, but you are right in that it's the way we set out to play that's the important thing.

 

[mill]

Some of the best football we ever played under Poch was with a back 3/5. Equally, we've looked totally shit in a 4231/433 under Jose and Nuno.

Formations in isolation mean very little nowadays, execution is I couldn’t care what formation we play but I want the back line high up the pitch not camped in our obox

 

[mattdefoe]

Amazing how quickly people forget the great work poch did at Southampton and for us.

He was once a sought after , hungry young talented manager the only thing that changed was we sacked him for a bad spell

easiest decision every to bring him back

 

[VDV11 Fan]

I find the Ryan Mason as a possible candidate until the end of the season talk interesting.

Would clearly show that the likes of Poch and Enrique aren't on our list and that we'd be waiting to get someone already contacted to a club.

Personally I think it's all guesswork at the moment and the journalists themselves don't know what's going on.

 

[coy-spurs1882]

Other upsides to Amorim.

+ Walked into an absolute mess of a bloated squad with a mix average players and old players like Wendel, Vietto, Battaglia and Acuna. They had just lost Bruno Fernandes too who was basically Sporting's only reliable player. He sold all of these and wiped the slate clean.

+ Fully trusts youth players, he does not hesitate in putting them in as soon as he walks in the door.

+ Replacing from within. If Spurs were to lose Kane, Im certain he'd give Scarlett and Lankshear as much chances as possible.

+ Uses a fluid front three, so again, if we lost Kane he'd work around it quite well.

+ Has a fantastic relationship with his players and his younger players love him for giving them chances.

+ He always takes blame for defeats and takes any pressure from young players.

+ He is adaptable and resourceful so will always look for solutions in the squad without shoehorning players in.

+ His assistant coach - Carlos Fernandes - is superb on the training ground and is very refreshing in this respect. He's only 28 but has 10 years of coaching behind him.

+ He spent his first summer recalling players who had been loaned out like Palhinha and Reis.
Then raiding talents from smaller Portuguese clubs like Paulinho, Nuno Santos, Pedro Goncalves whilst promoting players like Inacio and Tiago Tomas.

All of these players became major players for them.


He fits what we are looking for by a lot of metrics and I can certainly see him fitting at the club.

He won't kick off if players are sold and if the club decide to buy a bunch of young talents that he didn't ask for, he would still use them and find use for them.

so we are going to see Ndombele and Lo Celso again if we appoint Amorim

 

[Gassin's finest]

I think the root cause of the shit show was not allowing Poch to do the rebuild... he had credit in the bank and had proven he could do it. We would in theory have been three years now into the project. The 'elite' managers were never the right fit for us.

Only a few of us were saying this in 2019, but noooo... Serial winners.

 

[Nick-TopSpursMan]

Only a few of us were saying this in 2019, but noooo... Serial winners.

Another rubbish buzz word that doesn’t actually mean anything without context.

If only we had stuck with what we had in Poch and backed his rebuild. We’d likely have won something by now. He came closer than either of these ‘serial winners’ who play defensive anti-football.

 

[piedpiper]

Amazing how quickly people forget the great work poch did at Southampton and for us.

He was once a sought after , hungry young talented manager the only thing that changed was we sacked him for a bad spell

easiest decision every to bring him back

I think people like shiny new stuff..... they've had poch so they know what they getting.

Pros for me:
1.Some exciting football and a clear identity of how we play.
2. Familiar with the club and has a love for spurs.
3. No bedding in period..I'd bring him in now already to see who he wants and doesn't want by seasons end.

Cons :
1.How he cast Alderweireld and Walker aside and we had to listen to the BS merchants tell us they weren't good enough any longer.
2.Him refusing to make substations in a game...running the same 14 players into the ground.
3. Not taking the League and Fa cup seriously.

But under all the trying circumstances of moving intonl a temporary home and the budget restrictions at the time.... I'm more inclined to give him the reigns than some new shiny play thing.