Secret of Success - Team Tottenham

[Mullers]

If Leicester finish above us this season, its because they bloody deserve to! It will be slightly disappointing to finish 2nd, to anyone, when we are in with a shout. But also, fantastic at the same time, because that will mean CL football and another shot at the title the next year.
We would probably have happily taken 4th at the start of the season and seen that as a success...

So would I, I would even taken 5th place as success but I suspect like myself you would not take 4th place now.

How should United and Chelsea feel if they dont make CL? Any worse if its us and Leicester who take those spots rather than Liverpool and Everton?

Gutted especially if Leicester make it.

Imo, Ultimately, it would be much worse finishing 2nd to Arsenal than Leicester....

That is where I disagree sure Arsenal are hated rivals but they have pedigree and resources that we don't have. Leicester have come from nowhere for them to win the league ahead of us after all our hard work, near misses and one trophy in 14 years, to me is a gut wrencher.

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

"When you sign a contract as a player, you need to understand that you don’t sign to play, you sign to train.Then you wait for the decision of the manager to pick the players. This is football."
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MAJOR KEY ALERT

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

Yes definitely, I did say that chairman are going to expect more but people just see my posts as having a go at Levy and put the blinkers on. I'm not singling him out as someone who will behave differently to other chairman who will be expecting more.

Pu the blinkers on? More rubbish. These clubs have been expecting 'more' for well, like, ever and its got nothing to do with one club finishing above them. City have got rid of more than one manager as they seek improvement, especially in the Champions League. United, well, they've been seeking a more stable and competitive team since Fergie left, look at Chelsea, another conveyor belt, who knows what their owner wants. But none of them have raised or changed their expectations because one team finished above them.

And you know how I mean that, not in a 'we came second and expected first' sort of way……..Because I doubt very much Levy was 'expecting' a tilt at the title.

To suggest Levy would consider not renewing the guys contract when so much is going right, when we're heading in the right direction for the first time in nearly 30 years because Leicester fucking City finish above us in what is very likely to be a single fluke season is just laughable and probably stems from your persistent and quite frankly abhorrent dislike of Levy, who we all know is faultless in every aspect of the club

If anyone is wearing blinkers its you, defending what is blatantly a ridiculous position to the death.

Dammit I bit

 

[Mullers]

Pu the blinkers on? More rubbish. These clubs have been expecting 'more' for well, like, ever and its got nothing to do with one club finishing above them. City have got rid of more than one manager as they seek improvement, especially in the Champions League. United, well, they've been seeking a more stable and competitive team since Fergie left, look at Chelsea, another conveyor belt, who knows what their owner wants. But none of them have raised or changed their expectations because one team finished above them.

And you know how I mean that, not in a 'we came second and expected first' sort of way……..

The one club was not Leicester city, this is unprecedented, totally unique, a club who was nearly relegated last season in with a chance of winning the title, when was the last time something like this happened?

All those clubs are expected to win the title by the support and the chairman. The likes of Chelsea and City never had the expectations that they do now before the cash injection. Arsenal have stuck by wenger even though they won back to back FA cups the supporters want the league and the board want the league.

If you don't think the owners of the sky 4 plus Liverpool would not expect the title even more next season, then I don't think that is realistic.

.Because I doubt very much Levy was 'expecting' a tilt at the title.

I am sure he wasn't, you wasn't, I wasn't, I think all but the very optimistic was not expecting the title but now the situation has changed we are in with a shout of the title and Leicster are 5 points clear, Leicster not the usual sky four. It is a realistic shout at the title which is big, big, big difference from just trying to scrape a top 4 finish, which we've been trying to do since the days of Jol. With the new stadium coming up think about what it would mean to win the title and how he would feel if Leicster city won that instead.

To suggest Levy would consider not renewing the guys contract when so much is going right, when we're heading in the right direction for the first time in nearly 30 years because Leicester fucking City finish above us in what is very likely to be a single fluke season is just laughable and probably stems from your persistent and quite frankly abhorrent dislike of Levy, who we all know is faultless in every aspect of the club

If anyone is wearing blinkers its you, defending what is blatantly a ridiculous position to the death.

Dammit I bit

But I'm not suggesting that another chairman would act differently so the accusation that this stems from a persistent dislike of Levy can't be thrown at me.

You have to separate what you think is right as a long time patient supporter, from Levy who is also a supporter but also the chairman of the club.

As the chairman he will be seeking to do what is best for the club, whether you and I agree with it or not. Replacing Jol with Ramos made me angry but the logic behind that decision was that Ramos was somebody who could go that extra mile and do better than Jol and get CL football and win trophies.

If Leicester win the league and we don't what makes you think his wheels won't be spinning?

The premier league is not the FA cup or league cup, if Leicester achieve the unthinkable it can't just be written off as a fluke, it's an incredible achievement they will have definitely earned with it and we should look to learn from it.

 

[Gaz_Gammon]

I would be disappointed if we lost the league to Leicester. Not because I dont think they would be worth the win. But because we are probably, and I use the word probably. Never going to get another chance to win the league like we have this year. I wont blame the players or the manager or the board. I will just be disappointed if we finish second behind Leicester. Or even third. That we could have won this league.

Next year.

Liverpool - whole pre season with new manager. probably expensive shiny new players. - Threat
Manchester united - Cannot and will not be as bad next season. will probably have a new manager - bigger threat
ManChester City - Pep Guardiola + oodles of cash - mega threat
Arsenal - still have money to buy a superstar. although the longer they keep Wenger the better - Threat

So we win this year. we might not win it again for another 10 years. but we have won it. again.

Liverpool, new manager or not gave finished below us six of the last seven seasons under King Kenny, Woy and Brenda.

Yanited's dream team bubble has burst and cannot compete with Chel$ea and Citeh. They are at a dead end regarding dominating the PL. Are becoming the next Arsenal.

Arsenal....just who the fuck are they today? Nothing more than a team who think they have won someting after a few good results.

Man Citeh are the new Yanited money wise but like LVG found at Yanited all that glitters is not gold. The PL isn"t a two horse race Spanish or German league. Pep may be percived to be able to walk on water but Poch will be the one to turn water into wine.



Heareth endeth Psalm 101.

 

[Mullers]

Liverpool, new manager or not gave finished below us six of the last seven seasons under King Kenny, Woy and Brenda.

Yanited's dream team bubble has burst and cannot compete with Chel$ea and Citeh. They are at a dead end regarding dominating the PL. Are becoming the next Arsenal.

Arsenal....just who the fuck are they today? Nothing more than a team who think they have won someting after a few good results.

Man Citeh are the new Yanited money wise but like LVG found at Yanited all that glitters is not gold. The PL isn"t a two horse race Spanish or German league. Pep may be percived to be able to walk on water but Poch will be the one to turn water into wine.



Heareth endeth Psalm 101.

So we should finish above the lot of them?

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Looks like I picked the right week to write this thread....

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/secret-tottenhams-success-having-no-7303190

Secret to Tottenham's success is having no heroes in the team


Alderweireld.:

“The most important thing is we have no heroes in this team.We have a team with a lot of quality that wants to improve. Everybody works hard for each other. When one makes a mistake, the other one picks it up. We have a togetherness. We want to achieve something this season and I think you can see that on the pitch.There is confidence and self belief - not arrogance - that we can beat everybody. We know that if we don’t put the effort in, we are a normal team"

"He only puts in guys who work very hard.A lot of guys have left the club. If you do not follow the path, you don’t belong in Tottenham. Physically, we are 100 per cent. We can run all game and that is the way we want to play. We have quality and young guys who are eager to make the difference."

I alluded to this a couple of weeks ago when people were talking about getting Bale back, and many called me crazy for saying I wouldn't want him back for the very reasons given above.

We can (and do) still bitch about the usual minutiae of all things Spurs - who we rate, who we don't, 4231, 433, how high we play, whether we need one hand or two to count Walker's brain cells etc - but what I said last week was that I'd still rather watch this bunch of kids huff and puff than have some super talented changing room prima-donna fuck with the collective chi we have going on.

I know it doesn't sound like it every week, but I can't remember a Spurs team I've enjoyed watching more (Pleats 87 and Burkinshaw's 1981/2 possibly ?) because it's the first one that isn't about individuals, it's about the collective and work ethic. Very un-spurs.

Since about October I've been looking even more forward to next season, regardless of what happens this, because I believe we have a coach who will continue to improve the group in year 2/3 and we can be even better next year. It was 3 years for Klopp to get the best our of Dortmund for example.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

I know it doesn't sound like it every week, but I can't remember a Spurs team I've enjoyed watching more (Pleats 87 and Burkinshaw's 1981/2 possibly ?) because it's the first one that isn't about individuals, it's about the collective and work ethic. Very un-spurs.

Since about October I've been looking even more forward to next season, regardless of what happens this, because I believe we have a coach who will continue to improve the group in year 2/3 and we can be even better next year. It was 3 years for Klopp to get the best our of Dortmund for example.

It's interesting you say that because you're usually moaning during/after every game.

 

[GetSpurredOn]

I would much rather watch us build this young team on solid foundations, Pochettino getting these young hungry players, well drilled into his particular style of hard work/playing ethos. A talented squad of 20+, and a tier behind of real potential, often signed as unheralded players for modest fees, as opposed to further years of paying higher end fees on mediocre gambles. That is my preference, and for that, I feel we have the right man in Pochettino. He seems to have a real feel good factor going on, popular with he players, whilst maintaining a firm grip on discipline (see Andros and the fitness coach). Even Levy seems to be giving him total control of the playing side, top to bottom, a sign of the confidence he has.
COYS

 

[spursram]

The one club was not Leicester city, this is unprecedented, totally unique, a club who was nearly relegated last season in with a chance of winning the title, when was the last time something like this happened?

All those clubs are expected to win the title by the support and the chairman. The likes of Chelsea and City never had the expectations that they do now before the cash injection. Arsenal have stuck by wenger even though they won back to back FA cups the supporters want the league and the board want the league.

If you don't think the owners of the sky 4 plus Liverpool would not expect the title even more next season, then I don't think that is realistic.

I am sure he wasn't, you wasn't, I wasn't, I think all but the very optimistic was not expecting the title but now the situation has changed we are in with a shout of the title and Leicster are 5 points clear, Leicster not the usual sky four. It is a realistic shout at the title which is big, big, big difference from just trying to scrape a top 4 finish, which we've been trying to do since the days of Jol. With the new stadium coming up think about what it would mean to win the title and how he would feel if Leicster city won that instead.




But I'm not suggesting that another chairman would act differently so the accusation that this stems from a persistent dislike of Levy can't be thrown at me.

You have to separate what you think is right as a long time patient supporter, from Levy who is also a supporter but also the chairman of the club.

As the chairman he will be seeking to do what is best for the club, whether you and I agree with it or not. Replacing Jol with Ramos made me angry but the logic behind that decision was that Ramos was somebody who could go that extra mile and do better than Jol and get CL football and win trophies.

If Leicester win the league and we don't what makes you think his wheels won't be spinning?

The premier league is not the FA cup or league cup, if Leicester achieve the unthinkable it can't just be written off as a fluke, it's an incredible achievement they will have definitely earned with it and we should look to learn from it.

The consensus has been, it appears to me, that Levy has, historically, been reluctant to splash the cash on established stars. Of course, following the Bale transfer, he broke with tradition, but the results of that experiment probably justified his original reluctance. I would have thought Poch's way of management and development of young players, and the results hiitherto achieved, re-enforce Levy's views on "buying" success.

Indeed, the success of Leicester further re-enforces Levy's position, IMO. Levy will take great satisfaction if teams 1 and 2 at the end of this weekend are Leicester and Spurs, whilst the bigger spending clubs are in our wake.

I also believe that at present Poch is not one who enjoys managing the prima donnas, and has not moaned or put it about that he is unhappy with a lack of "stars" being signed. The contrary, in fact. So I fail to see why Levy would have a downer on Poch if Leicester were to win the league.

 

[jonathanhotspur]

But you could really say that for most seasons since we've be getting top 6. This season is unique because of Leicester, how ever well we do if Leicester manage to top it, personally I will be disappointed. I think other people will be too.

I was talking to a Man Utd fan a couple of weeks ago and he was saying how wonderful it would be if Leicester won the league. I told him I'd be fucking raging. He found the rant that followed very amusing.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

It's interesting you say that because you're usually moaning during/after every game.

You think that's moaning, you should have been around during the Redknapp years.

 

[arunspurs]

I hope & pray we ward off any approach from United for Poch. There are noises coming from BBC journos like Dan Walker that a real possibility is there. On one level , I feel that's BS.
But at same time, have to be pragmatic & not dismiss it entirely .

He is the best thing to have happened to Spurs in a long time. He's key to our success more than players in the squad.

 

[TheChosenOne]

It's interesting you say that because you're usually moaning during/after every game.

BC has served his time, he is entitled.

 

[Mullers]

The consensus has been, it appears to me, that Levy has, historically, been reluctant to splash the cash on established stars. Of course, following the Bale transfer, he broke with tradition, but the results of that experiment probably justified his original reluctance. I would have thought Poch's way of management and development of young players, and the results hiitherto achieved, re-enforce Levy's views on "buying" success.

Indeed, the success of Leicester further re-enforces Levy's position, IMO. Levy will take great satisfaction if teams 1 and 2 at the end of this weekend are Leicester and Spurs, whilst the bigger spending clubs are in our wake.

I also believe that at present Poch is not one who enjoys managing the prima donnas, and has not moaned or put it about that he is unhappy with a lack of "stars" being signed. The contrary, in fact. So I fail to see why Levy would have a downer on Poch if Leicester were to win the league.

I agree that Levy's strengthened his hand but no spurs supporter of which he is one would get any satisfaction from Leicester beating us to the league.

Why he would have a downer on Poch is simply because he couldn't do any better than Leicester when the opportunity is there to do so. Poch as in the past prompted the board extremely diplomatically to spend and just recently in an interview where he said he would use a academy striker he did it again, I don't think Levy is too bothered by that actually because it wasn't confrontational and blatant like Redknapp would do.

The bar has been raised as I said by Leicester, Levy's job is to make us the best club possible, take all the emotion out of it where the contract renewal is concerned. Levy will not jump to offer Poch a contract renewal if he doesn't think that Poch is getting the best out of the team, logically why wouldn't he look to say someone like Ancelloti who is a better manager than Poch if he was available? Lets face it Poch will face recriminations on here if we end up second to Leicester.

 

[Mullers]

I was talking to a Man Utd fan a couple of weeks ago and he was saying how wonderful it would be if Leicester won the league. I told him I'd be fucking raging. He found the rant that followed very amusing.

He's only saying that because Man U have won the league a lot of times and the last time was recently.

 

[Gaz_Gammon]

So we should finish above the lot of them?

I see no reason given our current form, and should that continue that we cannot finish above them.

 

[Gaz_Gammon]

I alluded to this a couple of weeks ago when people were talking about getting Bale back, and many called me crazy for saying I wouldn't want him back for the very reasons given above.

Your medication needs to be reduced, it appears to be causing you to have delusions of grandeur on your writing.

 

[Mullers]

I see no reason given our current form, and should that continue that we cannot finish above them.

So your expectations have been raised?

 

[Gaz_Gammon]

So your expectations have been raised?

Yes, the wife has just walked in with a negligee on.............