The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - 28th May 2012

[mpickard2087]

Sceptical about it but I will say this... I can understand if he wanted to leave for the England job, I can even just about understand if he left for say a Liverpool or Chelsea if he thought he had a better chance of winning the league with them.

Going out to the Middle East would be baffling though, he isnt short of a few bob heading towards his later years and retirement, Wheres the ambition, especially this late on in his career and with his managerial stock probably higher than it ever has been? Whenever I have seen a player do this (such as Gyan last year) I have thought 'well if that was a Spurs player and he was that motivated by money he would go and play at such a low standard of footy then good riddance', would be the same with Harry.

 

[spud]

I hope he does go to UAE and get a massive pay day. If I was him and ever read these forums, I'd certainly fuck off.

But you might read the comments and consider whether the points about not rotating, tactical acumen, whoring yourself out, not being committed etc etc might just have some basis in fact. Then you might consider whether you could improve what you're doing and how you do it, whether you should be more circumspect when talking to the media, and whether it might just be appropriate to admit to the occasional mistake.

On the other hand, you might just be like Redknapp, think that everybody posting is retarded, that you're a faarkin football manager and know better, and fuck off anyway.

 

[Misfit]

Not to steal ol' spud's thunder or anything but this is veering into a H will he/won't he, should he/would he debate again. I personally love a mass debate but I kinda get the impression the jack-booted freakin' Nazi oppressors mods and admin feel it best to just discuss the info and context f the ITK snippets and not wander too far off from the ITKness of this here fred.

 

[eddiev14]

I don't believe this at all. 2 top 4 finishes deserve another year? That just sounds like a fans point of view and not a realistic chairman's thoughts.

I hope he does go to UAE and get a massive pay day. If I was him and ever read these forums, I'd certainly fuck off.

If any of this is true and Harry leaves, I honestly feel sorry for whoever takes over. If someone who has taken us to 4th, 5th, 4th and a CL quarter final gets as much shit as he does, expectations are only going to be higher, god knows what the next person will get if we only finish 4th next season. But it's ok, all they have to do is big Spurs up in interviews and everyone should love him.

Part of me hopes this ITK is true. Part of me hopes he goes to Liverpool and proves people here wrong. But then I hate Liverpool after this season's shenanigans, so I think I'd prefer UAE.

Well said mate. Really well said.

Honestly, I've seen so much written about Levy 'dallying' or 'stalling' in the transfer market or Redknapp failing with the team, but all of these people have ridiculous expectations.

Whatever happened since January, finishing 4th, 5th & 4th is an incredible performance from Redknapp's team - especially given the gulf in wages between our club and the likes of Man City (09/10), Liverpool (09/10, 10/11, 11/12) and Chelsea (11/12).

What other manager currently available and within our budget could do that?

With Levy, people just need to understand that Man City and Chavski have basically ruined the transfer season because all of the good players now expect ridiculous 150k p/wk plus wages, and 95% of clubs cannot get near that. Not even close.

We therefore need to negotiate, and negotiate hard. Every good business looks after every penny and just because they see some playboy start-up renting out the Ritz for the Christmas party, doesn't mean that they can do it too. Even if their staff wish they would, because wouldn't it be fun?

Anyway, in short, I'm behind Redknapp and any player that wants to wear our wonderful shirt. By the sounds of things lots more of them would rather play for Harry than not.

And with his record at Spurs I can see why.

 

[Twizzle]

what ever happens needs to happen quick so we can get on with building our team, players will want to know who the manager is especially blokes like Remy who H has put a bit of time into

 

[bomberH]

I don't want to make this about Harry, my main point was that I didn't believe the ITK, or I should say ITK of late seems to have an agenda attached to it.

Just one thing, people are forgetting I have nothing against genuine criticism re tactics and rotation, even if I disagree with some. It's just the fuck off brigade that annoy me. Only recently people are starting to say they've appreciated what he's done but it's time to go. That's fair enough but that's not what they were saying a couple of weeks before we finished 4th. They were saying fuck off you twitchy **** etc. People can't deny overall Harry has been (at least) very good for us and so if he read that, he'd have a right to feel a little unappreciated.

Mr Pink, call it what you like, around 90% of criticism against him during our winning streak particularly, was about his interviews because there was nothing else to moan about. The fact Jol bigged us up lots was massively appreciated by fans and part of the reason we took to him, but he's still more tactically inept and less successful than Harry. But that's for another thread.

Anyway, no more replies on the Harry points please, just on the ITK. I think he'll go, whose choice I don't know.

 

[tiger666]

I see the threads still turned into pro/anti Harry thread no. 27

 

[Graysonti]

I see the threads still turned into pro/anti Harry thread no. 27

Yes, annoying ain't it

 

[StartingPrice]

I think some of you are missing the bigger picture here. Harry has done great for Spurs and that in itself has made us a better looking proposition for potential signings. At one point we were title contenders!
Harry and/or his agent handled the whole England thing badly but that don't make him a bad manager. Maybe his agent and aadviserstold him to play it this way to squeeze a better deal out of Levy (they do get a ppercentagecut don't they? so hhigherfees means more money for them) Some say he never refers to us as "we" but just Spurs, however that was still the case when we were 3rd and closing in on the top 2 but not many complained then.
AVB was the next special one but turned out to be the devil one.
I think we should stick with Harry...................well at least for another season, he deserves that

Not missing the bigger picture, at all.
The bigger picture is that no matter how well he has done for us, he could have done better, seriously took his eye-off the ball during England-Gate, and, frankly is a 65 YO who is not likely to get a long-term contract with us, leaving us with a year of the walking dead. That could go either way, he may even do amazingly enough to earn a new contract. But there are persistent rumours, and ITYK that the relationship between him and Levy has reached breaking point. I am niot anti-Redknapp, and think he deserves better than just flat-out being sacked (a mutual agreement/new job would be nice). But, ultimately, if we are going to make a change now or next Summer, now that we aren't getting CL (which I felt he had earned a right to lead us in, by getting us fourth, even if he did take his eye of the ball), I think we might as well do it it now, as next year.

And don't forget, if Woy flops in the Euros, the whole England-Gate thang will just flare up again.

That is the bigger picture, IMHO.

 

[Scot-Spur]

does Pep G not want a project? we could give him that project

 

[Mr Pink]

Nobody was calling him a twichy so and so in here though were they? Bomber it was your reaction to the ITK, that any of it on Redknapp must be bullshit etc because it doesn't fit with your perception of things.

Harry is a better manager than BMJ by the way but that is not really relevant IMO.

 

[Gbspurs]

Sceptical about it but I will say this... I can understand if he wanted to leave for the England job, I can even just about understand if he left for say a Liverpool or Chelsea if he thought he had a better chance of winning the league with them.

Going out to the Middle East would be baffling though, he isnt short of a few bob heading towards his later years and retirement, Wheres the ambition, especially this late on in his career and with his managerial stock probably higher than it ever has been? Whenever I have seen a player do this (such as Gyan last year) I have thought 'well if that was a Spurs player and he was that motivated by money he would go and play at such a low standard of footy then good riddance', would be the same with Harry.

Nail + head. Harry must know that if Woy flops he is in with a shout of England. Why ruin that all for a pay check. As he has said before he's not short of a bob now. Harry is still ambitious and wants to challenge at the top level. No of these seems to fit with UAE. Think he must be there for other reasons, maybe checking out Gyan since we need a striker!

 

[StartingPrice]

Nail + head. Harry must know that if Woy flops he is in with a shout of England. Why ruin that all for a pay check. As he has said before he's not short of a bob now. Harry is still ambitious and wants to challenge at the top level. No of these seems to fit with UAE. Think he must be there for other reasons, maybe checking out Gyan since we need a striker!

He's off on a booze cruise...

 

[bomberH]

Nobody was calling him a twichy so and so in here though were they? Bomber it was your reaction to the ITK, that any of it on Redknapp must be bullshit etc because it doesn't fit with your perception of things.

Harry is a better manager than BMJ by the way but that is not really relevant IMO.

Ok, because no-one said it in here it's not relevant..... Fine. And the reason I mentioned it was because you bolded it in your reply and made a point about it.

And let's face it, how much of the ITK over the last couple of years have had an anti Harry agenda from posters we know that dislike him. A lot. And how much of it has been proved. None. The latest ITK isn't even that anti, it just says their relationship is strained, which is believable.

 

[Spurger King]

So...um...who the fuck is Vertonghen?

 

[StartingPrice]

Ok, because no-one said it in here it's not relevant..... Fine. And the reason I mentioned it was because you bolded it in your reply and made a point about it.

And let's face it, how much of the ITK over the last couple of years have had an anti Harry agenda from posters we know that dislike him. A lot. And how much of it has been proved. None. The latest ITK isn't even that anti, it just says their relationship is strained, which is believable.

Now, now, Bomber, play nice
Your denial has created something of a tautology for yourself, there. You know as well as I do that ITK is very rarely provable, but that doesn't make it wrong - especially where we are talking about a relationship between Chairman and manager. The fact that the ITK hasn't been wholly complimentary to Mr Redknapp does not mean that the ITKers involved were anti-Redknapp, just that their ITK didn't necessarily paint him in a favourable light.

I don't know of any ITK that has, or had, an anti-Redknapp agenda, and can think of only a few posters on here who have been wholly anti-Redknapp from his appointment on, and another small group who has been heavily critical of his tactics no matter who well we were doing.

 

[SpursSince1980]

Uh, as much as I love a good ol Harry debate, shouldn't this thread be a little more focused on transfers? I know we all associate itk with transfers, hence the natural spillover into this part of the forum, but in this instance the Harry stuff isn't 100 percent related. Perhaps take it to the spurs chat section?

 

[StartingPrice]

Uh, as much as I love a good ol Harry debate, shouldn't this thread be a little more focused on transfers? I know we all associate itk with transfers, hence the natural spillover into this part of the forum, but in this instance the Harry stuff isn't 100 percent related. Perhaps take it to the spurs chat section?

On the other hand, most of today's ITK has been concerned solely with whether Redknapp will be given the elbow, whether he will be offered a job in Quatar, and, if yes, whether he will accept it, and he alleged declining relationship with Mr Levy.

 

[Mr Pink]

Ok, because no-one said it in here it's not relevant..... Fine. And the reason I mentioned it was because you bolded it in your reply and made a point about it.

And let's face it, how much of the ITK over the last couple of years have had an anti Harry agenda from posters we know that dislike him. A lot. And how much of it has been proved. None. The latest ITK isn't even that anti, it just says their relationship is strained, which is believable.

Exactly, which is why I thought your initial post was perplexing to say the least.

 

[bomberH]

Now, now, Bomber, play nice
Your denial has created something of a tautology for yourself, there. You know as well as I do that ITK is very rarely provable, but that doesn't make it wrong - especially where we are talking about a relationship between Chairman and manager. The fact that the ITK hasn't been wholly complimentary to Mr Redknapp does not mean that the ITKers involved were anti-Redknapp, just that their ITK didn't necessarily paint him in a favourable light.

I don't know of any ITK that has, or had, an anti-Redknapp agenda, and can think of only a few posters on here who have been wholly anti-Redknapp from his appointment on, and another small group who has been heavily critical of his tactics no matter who well we were doing.

SP, i don't know if it's possible, but if it is, look at the ITK over the last 3 years involving Harry and tell me most of it hasn't got an agenda. There are those with ITK in the Harry camp and those in the Levy camp. The Harry camp will say he wants Messi etc but Levy won't pay, the Levy camp will say Harry talks too much, wants old players etc, which is not in Levy's plans for the club. The fact is, no-one knows if there is a genuinely neutral ITK when it comes to giving info regarding Harry. That's why I find if difficult to believe anything about either of them via ITK. They can't all be right can they?

I'd answer the other points you raised but I'll stick to the ITK references for now, don't wanna take the thread even more off topic.