The Steve Hitchen thread

[Shadydan]

Well I’m glad you’ve admitted to not even trying to engage. That’s at least an honest approach and I can respect the honesty. That doesn’t change the fact it is coherent to say that we can’t make comments about Hitchins knowledge about analytics but we can make comments about the performance of the team. But keep burying your head.

No one with kids will be surprised by that - believe it or not they’re more important than being right on Spurs community. “I don’t know what it’s like to have kids so you’re just using them as an excuse” is a pretty shitty, incel thing to argue. But you do you.

Mate I won't lie to you, you're not making any sense whatsoever, the fact that you're brought up the kid excuse tells me everything I need to know.

Sounds to me like you're at the stage of believing you're own bullshit so there's no point wasting yours or my time any further, that's why I'm not going to engage...you don't need to desperately justify yourself to me when it's clear for all to see your nonsense...its okay to admit you're wrong sometimes mate you know that right?

 

[LeParisien]

Mate I won't lie to you, you're not making any sense whatsoever, the fact that you're brought up the kid excuse tells me everything I need to know.

Sounds to me like you're at the stage of believing you're own bullshit so there's no point wasting yours or my time any further, that's why I'm not going to engage...you don't need to desperately justify yourself to me when it's clear for all to see your nonsense...its okay to admit you're wrong sometimes mate you know that right?

Let’s call it a wrap. Wonderful trolling - you win.

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

Morning all.

Anything new & exciting happening in the
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Love you, Dan

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

i don't know how long he's been here for but our transfers have been pretty diabolical for a while now:

16/17:
wanyama 11m - very good
janssen 17m - poor
nkoudou 11m - poor
sissoko 30m - average to poor
lopez loan - irrelevant

17/18:
gazzaniga 4m - net
sanchez 38m - average for the money
foyth 8m - net
aurier 23m - average to poor
llorente 12m - net
lucas 25m - average to poor

18/19:

Spoiler

19/20:
sessegnon 30m - net as young prospect
lo celso 42m - net as injured a lot but looks a player
ndombele 55m - good but not phenomenal for that price
clarke 10m - poor
bergwijn 27m - net as not given much of a chance
gedson loan - net / irrelevant signing

20/21:
hojbjerg 15m - ood
doherty 15m - pope
reguilon 27m - good
rodon 11m - good
hart 0 - net
bale loan - average but not been played much
vinicius loan - ok considering gametime

shocking. can count on one hand the number of good signings there.

Nice one for doing this mate.

Ive rated them and yea doesn’t look great at all. This summer was the best output we had though. As you say very few actually good or good value signings there.


very good = 2
good = 3
average = 5* but debatable as a few could be classed as poor
Net = 7
poor = 3
irrelevant = 2

 

[Wsussexspur]

Keep seeing from ITKs that we have world class scouting team and how highly regarded and thought of in the game Hitchen is. Very much from the outside looking in its very hard to see this Is true! Look at the likes of Leicester they seem to have a much better scouting team and idea of what they are trying to achieve in the transfer market. Over long period of time they have unearthed some real gems and brought well in the transfer market ours just seems the usual scatter gun approach:

1) identify position needs strengthing - approach unattainable first choice target
2) spend weeks pissing about trying to sign said player
3) fail to sign player - usual excuse team selling said player being unreasonable in their demands. Or we are just being played by the agent as player wants move to genuine big club who ambition to win things.
4) panic start working down list of next best alternatives - usually by this time we will be on to third fourth choices as our 2nd and third choice players have already moved on as we have spent so long pissing about trying to sign the unrealistic first choice,
5) We end up signing a player who doesn’t really improve our squad and we are then stuck with and can’t sell on as clubs don’t want to deal with us when it comes to selling players!


Pretty much every transfer window this seems to play out.

Surely it’s Hitchens job to identify realistic targets players who are going to improve our squad!

 

[mill]

Morning all.

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Love you, Dan

Someone needed to step up now vinny’s no longer on here

 

[Shadydan]

Morning all.

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Love you, Dan

I don't argue with people, people argue with me

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

I don't argue with people, people argue with me

 

[BringBack_leGin]

I don't argue with people, people argue with me

The Mourinho era has been the making of you on SC.

 

[ardiles]

The Mourinho era has been the making of you on SC.

The Shady One

 

['O Zio]

i know absolutely nothing about him

Neither does anyone else. People are just spouting bollocks based on a 90 second clip of him on that bloody documentary.

Aside from that clip id bet good money that basically nobody in this thread knows the first thing about the bloke, what his exact role is, and whether or not he does it well. It's ridiculous that people can get so wound up about something they don't actually have a fucking clue about.

 

[Stamford]

Neither does anyone else. People are just spouting bollocks based on a 90 second clip of him on that bloody documentary.

Aside from that clip id bet good money that basically nobody in this thread knows the first thing about the bloke, what his exact role is, and whether or not he does it well. It's ridiculous that people can get so wound up about something they don't actually have a fucking clue about.

honestly I have no idea of his qualifications or what his new role entails but one thing that cannot be denied is that our recruitment over the last few years has been shocking. Completely fair that people want to discuss who might be to blame on a Spurs forum

 

[DiVaio]

Neither does anyone else. People are just spouting bollocks based on a 90 second clip of him on that bloody documentary.

I rewatched this episode and I bet 99% of people involved in football would agree with the words he said there

honestly I have no idea of his qualifications or what his new role entails but one thing that cannot be denied is that our recruitment over the last few years has been shocking. Completely fair that people want to discuss who might be to blame on a Spurs forum

What part of recruitment since 17/18 has been shocking?

 

[Stamford]

I rewatched this episode and I bet 99% of people involved in football would agree with the words he said there

What part of recruitment since 17/18 has been shocking?

where to begin. Doherty, Vinicius, Clarke, sessegnon, gedson, bergwijn,NKoudou, Janssen, Sanchez, Foyth. That's a huge amount of money with no improvement on the first 11 and I haven't mentioned the likes of NDombele or Lo Celso who have shown only glimpses of what they are capable of

 

['O Zio]

honestly I have no idea of his qualifications or what his new role entails but one thing that cannot be denied is that our recruitment over the last few years has been shocking. Completely fair that people want to discuss who might be to blame on a Spurs forum

Our recruitment really hasn't been shocking though to be honest. We consistently do far better at it than the majority of teams in the PL. What has really set us back was not signing anyone at all for basically 2 years and not refreshing the squad properly. But presumably that has very little to do with Steve Hitchen. Or maybe it does, who really knows.

I'm not saying nobody can discuss it, but it's bizarre when you have people being so passionately against him and basically saying we need to get this guy out of our club and what a disgrace he is etc etc when really they've got no idea about him.

 

[LeParisien]

Neither does anyone else. People are just spouting bollocks based on a 90 second clip of him on that bloody documentary.

Aside from that clip id bet good money that basically nobody in this thread knows the first thing about the bloke, what his exact role is, and whether or not he does it well. It's ridiculous that people can get so wound up about something they don't actually have a fucking clue about.

That’s not true. @Shadydan knows about Hitchin’s experience with analytics. And it’s mental gymnastics to suggest otherwise.

??????

 

[Shadydan]

That’s not true. @Shadydan knows about Hitchin’s experience with analytics. And it’s mental gymnastics to suggest otherwise.

??????

Mental gymnastics for not using the same logic as far as the manager is concerned.

You say you're done but you keep starting it again, why are you like this? Just move on lol

 

[DiVaio]

where to begin. Doherty, Vinicius, Clarke, sessegnon, gedson, bergwijn,NKoudou, Janssen, Sanchez, Foyth. That's a huge amount of money with no improvement on the first 11 and I haven't mentioned the likes of NDombele or Lo Celso who have shown only glimpses of what they are capable of

Well, maybe the reason for huge amount of money spent with no improvement on the first 11 is that from that list there are 2/3 players who were signed to improve the 1st squad immediately and they did that when they joined. Nkodou and Janssen were bought in 16/17 when Hitchen wasn't in the club btw.

Clarke, Sessegnon, Foyth(probably more Poch signing than Hitchen) were signings for the future and either they will show they are good players or we will sell them for a profit, hardly a shocking recruitment. Bergwijn and Sanchez showed that they are good players, Sanchez struggling 4 years later didn't change the fact that he was good buy.

And now part of Jose signings rather than Hitchen. We know that Hitchen and scouts liked Aarons for example, it was Jose who decided to go for Doherty. We needed someone to replace injured Sissoko, loan for Gedson wasn't a shocking recruitment too. I would also say that if you are calling loaning backup striker for 3 mil euro who currently has 1,15 G+A per 90 as part of shocking recruitment that the problem are some weird expectations and not the recruitment.

 

[Stamford]

Well, maybe the reason for huge amount of money spent with no improvement on the first 11 is that from that list there are 2/3 players who were signed to improve the 1st squad immediately and they did that when they joined. Nkodou and Janssen were bought in 16/17 when Hitchen wasn't in the club btw.

Clarke, Sessegnon, Foyth(probably more Poch signing than Hitchen) were signings for the future and either they will show they are good players or we will sell them for a profit, hardly a shocking recruitment. Bergwijn and Sanchez showed that they are good players, Sanchez struggling 4 years later didn't change the fact that he was good buy.

And now part of Jose signings rather than Hitchen. We know that Hitchen and scouts liked Aarons for example, it was Jose who decided to go for Doherty. We needed someone to replace injured Sissoko, loan for Gedson wasn't a shocking recruitment too. I would also say that if you are calling loaning backup striker for 3 mil euro who currently has 1,15 G+A per 90 as part of shocking recruitment that the problem are some weird expectations and not the recruitment.

yeah maybe my expectations are too high. I'm definitely calling Vinicius poor yeah, I don't think it's a weird expectation for a team of our calibre to have a very good back up striker which I don't think he is

 

[LeParisien]

Mental gymnastics for not using the same logic as far as the manager is concerned.

You say you're done but you keep starting it again, why are you like this? Just move on lol

Chill out Danny boy