Zokora - Worst Player I've ever seen

stemark44 · Jan 15, 2009

To the original poster - you should have added a poll to the thread to see what percentage either do or don't rate him.

For myself,I know that our midfielders are not that great but I really don't rate Zokora and if there really is a God up there in the heavens,I pray I will never have to watch a midfield with Zokora and Modric in the middle of it,ever again!

Has1978 · Jan 15, 2009

stemark44 said:
To the original poster - you should have added a poll to the thread to see what percentage either do or don't rate him.

For myself,I know that our midfielders are not that great but I really don't rate Zokora and if there really is a God up there in the heavens,I pray I will never have to watch a midfield with Zokora and Modric in the middle of it,ever again!

Zokora and Jenas is pretty painful to watch.

Zokora and Huddlestone is slightly better but easily overrun.

I don't blame Zokora per-say, but before Modric our best midfield combo was Huddlestone Jenas, when it worked. Which wasn't always.

Basically our midfield is ropey.

I'm depressed.

PYiddy · Jan 15, 2009

I'm sure one thing we all can agree on is that we WANT him to be great. Unfortunatly, i feel he isn't good enough for us in his position

Which is a shame, cos he arguably wears the shirt with more pride than anyone.

I also feel his best games for us have been when he plays in the back four. He was absolutly immense at full back, against man u. Snuffed Cronaldo out cold completly. A couple of his centre-back performances have been great too.

alextheyid · Jan 15, 2009

GLUESODA said:
While i have definetly seen worse players in my life, he is the single most reason why i've broken 3 remote controls, a chair & my girlfriends stapler this season, and im definately gonna need another coat of paint on my wall by the time the season out

My neihbour also calls me "f*#ken useless Zakora" cause he hears me shouting it at least once a week

I also play the same position as Zakora for the local team, and maybe over judge him on what he does, but he is definately one of the poorest midfielders in the premiership in my opinion...

mate...you need to watch the game in a padded room

or will problem be solved if zokora wasnt there?

HildoSpur · Jan 15, 2009

If he is the worst spurs player ever, then what does that say about the rest of the team? Given that Zokopops has been one of our most consistently decent players this season... He may not be top class, but he's a very useful player to have in the squad.

Krafty · Jan 15, 2009

Old Didier, just cant cut it in my opinion.

He is a very useful squad player, certainly gives 100%, but I dont think his reading of the game is anywhere near good enough, and he is not good enough in tackle to be in midfield, let alone be the 'defensive midfielder'.

However, I dont think he is helped by some of the mediocrity and work shy sob's around him. I would be interested to see how he would do alongside someone like Appiah, someone who would press and work like him. He still wouldnt be world class, and we would need to improve if we really want to get into the top 4 or whatever, but I think he would look more impressive.

Like quite a few of our players, they are lacking a settled lineup, a settled game plan, and some instants they lack a clear idea of what their role is.

jrio · Jan 15, 2009

SpurSince57 said:
The premise that he is the worst player we've ever had, though, is preposterous.

Must be a strong contender for worst player that's been first choice for at least 3 seasons. A lot of fans seem to have found a soft spot for him after he couldn't bear to watch the penalty in the CC final.

rez9000 · Jan 15, 2009

Ergh! Both sides of the argument have made good points.

OK, he's not the absolute worst player to ever play for Spurs. I've been following Spurs for about 16 years now and I've seen far worse. The majority of the 90s teamsheets was a roll-call of dire.

But on the other hand, he's just not that great a player. I admire his workrate and his commitment, which is unquestionable. And there have been times when he has made a fantastic contribution to the team he's been playing in. His performances in defence have been amazing. And that point then flips the argument back again. How good can he really be if his performances out of position have been more notable than his supposed 'natural' position?

People have pointed out his forward runs, which are blistering, and if I was an opposition defender, I'd most probably cack myself if I saw him steaming toward me. The problem though is that at the end of said runs, there's very little end product. He has scored (I believe) only four goals in his entire career. He must realise by now that shooting is not his forte, yet too often he insists on squandering an attacking opportunity by going for goal himself.

The problem with Zokora is not that he has particular strengths of weaknesses. Every player has something they do well and things they do badly. The problem with Zokora is the things he does badly directly counteract the things he does well.

This is exacerbated by a seeming inability or disinclination to maximise the impact of what he does well. Having said that, whether that's down to his mentality as a person or beause of instructions from his manager should be taken into consideration.

Pffffffffffff. I don't know.

markie · Jan 15, 2009

I completely agree about Zokora. No other teams who are at all decent would put up with his lackluster performances..

I think the main reasons managers like him are: He is never injured, He runs a lot and probably from the sidelines that can look like he is putting in a lot of effort, He is quick and agile...

I for one don't think these reasons are enough to make up for his lack of technique, passing ability and general blindness to where the goal is.. We should play him off the bench when someone is injured or we should play him as a left back because he would be out of the way compared to central midfield, he would also not be expected to be creative as much as when he plays central midfield.

I think Cluve Allen must have been the coach who got harry to drop him for the first couple of games and I think he had the right idea to play hudd and jenas.

Fingers crossed for the pompey game we will simply revert to 5 in midfield with O Hara, Jenas, Hudd, Lennon/Bentley and Modric.. We look like ten times the attacking force when we line up like this.

Bing · Jan 15, 2009

I would'nt call him the worst player ever but I agree he is a bad footballer and causes us a lot of problems.

I posted a thread a while back about this and I actually got negative repped for it:-| ( http://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=37220

)

southlondonyiddo · Jan 15, 2009

Shockingly he's nowhere near the worst players to wear the shirt although that's nothing to be proud of, we've had some real stinkers

Seems a top bloke etc etc but I cant stand the guy starting in my beloved teams 1st XI.
The reason he's played so much is because we havn't really had any replacement for him.

We need a much better version, palacios is 1, we'd be so much better for it.

Bulletspur · Jan 15, 2009

It has been documented that I stated that based on the playing personnel we have at the moment that Zokora would be in my starting 11 anytime while fit.

I agree that he is not the very best of footballers but it just goes to show how crap Spurs are at the moment that I would consider him first choice. So the author of this thread should not be so blinkered. If he was watching Bale instead of Zokora he probably would have broken the TV instead of just the remote. Negative rep mate.

markie · Jan 15, 2009

Bing said:
I would'nt call him the worst player ever but I agree he is a bad footballer and causes us a lot of problems.

I posted a thread a while back about this and I actually got negative repped for it:-| ( http://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=37220

)

You should know by now that if you even mention him being a waste of space you will instantly get neg repped by lots of people on here.. You arent allowed your own opinion.

By the way he is awful and I agree with your thread

ultimateloner · Jan 15, 2009

Zokora covers the most ground out of our midfielders.

He is the only 1 who tracks back when the opposition counter attacks - he had been the last man on many occasions.

He played several positions - 3 for us, and was good in 2 of them. He had Ronaldo in his pocket when we played Man Utd.

He is good off-the-ball.

Him and Lennon are the only ones who consistently makes bursting runs - despite the lack of end product.

He has alot of faults - no end product cuz his technically useless.

BUT I would take him over say, Bentley, anyday. Ask any manager whether they prefer someone who has 1 decent cross/shot at goal per game, or someone who covers most of the midfield for 90mins.

markie · Jan 15, 2009

When he played against man utd he was right back and I think this is one of the positions he plays best. He is an awful central midfielder (Especially DM) and needs to be playing either left back or to come off the bench...

handsomecake · Jan 16, 2009

agree with original post 100%. he is abysmal. thats the end of the conversation really. selling carrick for 18 and replacing him with this clown for 8 was tantamount to madness. "the maestro" ..............dont make me laugh. one of the reasons i was banned off coys was for slating this charlatan. i hate his guts

spursfan1991 · Jan 16, 2009

handsomecake said:
agree with original post 100%. he is abysmal. thats the end of the conversation really. selling carrick for 18 and replacing him with this clown for 8 was tantamount to madness. "the maestro" ..............dont make me laugh. one of the reasons i was banned off coys was for slating this charlatan. i hate his guts

I guess it's fair to say he isn't your favourite player? :rofl:

I think Zokora is a very poor player, in fact he is a shocking central midfielder. Only reason i don't hate him is because he gives 100% everytime he plays and it's the managers responsibility to drop him. Jenas should play the defensive side of the central midfield role with modric playing the attacking role unless of course we buy a quality defensive midfielder.

handsomecake · Jan 16, 2009

spursfan1991 said:
I guess it's fair to say he isn't your favourite player? :rofl:

I think Zokora is a very poor player, in fact he is a shocking central midfielder. Only reason i don't hate him is because he gives 100% everytime he plays and it's the managers responsibility to drop him. Jenas should play the defensive side of the central midfield role with modric playing the attacking role unless of course we buy a quality defensive midfielder.

george bush gave 100%
gordon brown is giving 100%
both clowns
my little brother would be honoured to play for ireland and would run all day but he is shit at football..........end of.

sometimes being good at your job is about skill,nous,dexterity.effort is admirable but only gets you so far.

cookiemonster · Jan 16, 2009

i calle dhim the new Djemba Djemba from day one and was hounded of the board - based on one friendly vs Torino when he was chasing after the ball like a puppy in the Rb position and the ball was worked into the centre for one of the Torino players to have a free shot and scored IRCC.

Glad to see a few are in agreement with me now

jamesc0le · Jan 16, 2009

Bulletspur said:
It has been documented that I stated that based on the playing personnel we have at the moment that Zokora would be in my starting 11 anytime while fit.

I agree that he is not the very best of footballers but it just goes to show how crap Spurs are at the moment that I would consider him first choice. So the author of this thread should not be so blinkered. If he was watching Bale instead of Zokora he probably would have broken the TV instead of just the remote. Negative rep mate.

it's funny you should say that.

if bale had played in kings position, with zokora at Lb, and lennon on the right -
we would have fared much better against wigan.

i really am disappointed that everyone has turned against bale this season, i understand he is completely out of form but i believe it is a question of character and nothing to do with his ability. he's just a bit soft in the head and needs somebody, joe jordan perhaps, to get into his head and toughen him up a bit.
i'd love to see him next to zokora or another as a deep midfielder, i think he could competently defend and track there, heading would be useful and his passing and occasional forward surge would prove most useful for the team.
i hope levy is blocking any permanent move harry might have in mind for bale, even a loan to milan would be great for us , i think he'd come back better, but a transfer for bale would be the biggest waste of cash and talent since... well, since carrick and berba. i kid you not.

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